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15 Mics on the drums. Oh Yes!
Old 20th January 2013
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15 Mics on the drums. Oh Yes!

I found my perfect drum sound. It is 15 mics on the drums.

Ive never had the ins and outs and the pres to record that many until now. but whoah, it is so much easier to get the sound I want with more microphones.

if u want to hear an unprocessed drum mix check it out here...
https://soundcloud.com/bones-howell/drums-demo

this was my setup......

mac pro symphony 64 pro tools 10 native
converters: Apogee Rosetta 1-8 and AD8000
1. Rack Tom Shure SM 57 Daking Mic Pre I
2.
3. Overhead Left MXL 990 Ribbon Daking mic pre 3
4. Overhead right MXL 990 Ribbon Daking mic pre 4
5. Hi Hat Beyer pencil mic Soundcraft 6000 channel 5
6. Snare side Shure sm 57 Soundcraft 6000 channel 6
7. Snare Sank Ribbon TL Audio left channel
8. Kick Sank ribbon TL audio right channel

Seventh Circle Audio N72 channels 1-8
1. Room mic Neumann u87 > 1176 > EMPEQ L
2.Floor Tom Electro Voice Re-20 > EMPEQ R > APHEX EXPRESSOR
3. 3 feet out Room left Ribbon
4. 3 feet out Room Right Ribbon
5. Kick Out Royer 121
6. Kick beater head AKG d112
7. Ride Rode NT1 pan left
8. Crash Rode NT1 pan right
Old 20th January 2013
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If you like the way it sounds, that's wonderful, and all that matters, but I feel like you could achieve a very similar sound with 4-6 mics if you played with things a bit.
Old 20th January 2013
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Cant get link to work from phone...Ill check it later from desk through monitors and let you know mho.

Sent from my SCH-I535
Old 20th January 2013
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Sounds like a laptop mic to me. There's no punch, and the stereo image is smeared. I hear the snare from left center and right. Nothing is defined.
Old 20th January 2013
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Cool man. The cymbals sound trashy but I can hear that tone working for a certain type of song. The room is pretty dead sounding. Is it treated?
Old 20th January 2013
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That ribbon snare and cymbal sound is pretty cool! I like the sense of "distortion" you get from ribbon mics on these elements. It is funny all the effort put into miking the toms when they are not even being played. I like this crazy ribbon drum sound. The snare especially is idiosyncratic sounding.
Old 20th January 2013
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🎧 15 years
I hesitate to agree, it sounds like four or six mics tops.
Cymbals sound weird.
Old 20th January 2013
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I can get a better sound with one mic
Old 20th January 2013
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Bones-h I'm with ya....I like to throw up pretty much everything I got when I track drums...Do I always use all the tracks? No. But I'd rather have the option than not!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenkas ➑️
I can get a better sound with one mic
I can't tell if you were trying to be helpful or just wave your thing around, either way that kind of response is not helpful....

It's a really interesting sound, but not what I would associate with a typical drum sound you would go for when using that many many mics. Overall, it sounds pretty dark and distant/roomy. Not a bad thing, but like many people have already said, I'm willing to bet you could get a similar sound with less mics.

I have a few suggestions. First off, it sounds like you are in a smaller/medium sized room. In my experience, smaller rooms do not benefit from lots of mics, especially around the room. If you like going for drum sounds that are more natural with the sound of the room (It sounds like you do judging from your clip), experiment with only room mics one day. Throw a bunch of room mics at different distances and see what sounds good. Find a good compromise between power and room. I would be interested to hear what those room mics 3 feet out from the kit sound like by theirselves. One of my biggest issues with the sound you got was that there was not much audible attack in the snare. If I didn't know any better, I would of guessed that you did not close mic it. Some of that could of been the ribbon mic on top. That can be a great choice when using minimal mics, but when relying on more room sounds you generally want to go with something like a dynamic that will cut through the other room mics and let you know the snare is right in your face if you want to mix it that loud.

Overall, it sounds like this is your first time throwing this many mics up, so congrats! It's fun to get to the point where you can do that, now that you start to use more mics I'm sure you'll start to get to know your room better and figure out what works best!
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🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by catfishmusic ➑️
Bones-h I'm with ya....I like to throw up pretty much everything I got when I track drums...Do I always use all the tracks? No. But I'd rather have the option than not!
I think 13 is my usual drum mic setup...2 kick, 2 snare, 2 oh, 2 room....hat/ride and as many toms as is needed (say 3)...tha's 13...then maybe a trash mic if it's that sort of song. most will get used in the mix, but ride/hat only sparingly.

I'm afraid I didn't really rate the original recording in the thread either...fairly lifeless sound IMO! But that's as likely the room/kit as anything else (listen to how the crash decays - has it got tape on it or something?).
Old 20th January 2013
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🎧 5 years
Did tracking with 13 mics on drums last week.
4 of them didnΒ΄t make the cut for me personally but
I was tracking for a friend and wanted him to have
flexibility sound/karakter wise to take the song where ever he wanted.
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Originally Posted by chrisso ➑️
Cymbals sound weird.
Definitely.
Phase issues abound.

From the soundcloud: "what 15 microphones and a joint of marijuana can do".
Next time perhaps drop the weed and listen to what is going on?
Timing is all over the shop too.

My most recent project has 12 drum mics- I tend to use 8-10 tops.
Old 20th January 2013
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When I first saw the topic title, the first thing in my mind was: ...phase issues?

Then I heard the recording and thought: PHASE ISSUES!!!!!!

But yeah, whatever floats your boat.
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Originally Posted by WesWe ➑️

But yeah, whatever floats your boat.
I'm guessing it's phase issues.

Old 20th January 2013
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Interesting. Contrary to the majority on this thread, the cymbals is what I like the most about this clip: They're in and out of the way fast with their short decay. Not a fan of cymbals that ring forever and ever.
Old 20th January 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deltones ➑️
Interesting. Contrary to the majority on this thread, the cymbals is what I like the most about this clip: They're in and out of the way fast with their short decay. Not a fan of cymbals that ring forever and ever.
They just don't sound natural to me. Cymbals do decay for a bar or two, depending on cymbal and tempo. If not, it sounds weird to me. Might sound fine in a mix of course.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WesWe ➑️
When I first saw the topic title, the first thing in my mind was: ...phase issues?

Then I heard the recording and thought: PHASE ISSUES!!!!!!

But yeah, whatever floats your boat.
You might wanna use something like InPhase or MAutoalign.
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Originally Posted by RoadToNever ➑️
You might wanna use something like InPhase or MAutoalign.
Why not just record it in phase in the first place?!
Old 20th January 2013
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Time to relate a great story from Jay Mark "After Dark", one of the greats....look him up. So Jay gets called by Tom Dowd...who if you don't know you shouldn't be reading this site, to do The Allman Brothers.

So the hit is at 6, and Jay has the room to set up all day. He fastidiously mics EVERYTHING. he loves it. Dowd walks in a bith before the band, checkis it all out and says...."Looks great Jay, but take down about half those mics...."

But....whatever gets you through the night....or session.....
Old 20th January 2013
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thanks

wow 19 replies. thanks guys.
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