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Old 12th February 2013 | Show parent
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I'm not talking about pushing boundaries in terms of doing something new, I'm talking about pushing up against the limits of the tools available to create it.
And I used to think electric guitar was easy.
Old 12th February 2013
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The studio stuff at the end bored me, I do love the Rick Springfield I must admit!

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Off the top of my head they changed the echo chambers. Combining two of them, if I remember right. I haven't heard the result, so can't say if it was for better or worst. SC is one of those studios people didn't want to change, personally I would of left it, but not my call.
If Sound City had live chambers I never knew about it, or else have forgotten.

Funny, I had stopped calling them years before because they were always booked and I could never get in.

-R
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When people talk about the "large studios" in LA closing. They don't realize that very few are actually being torn down. Most are becoming "private studios." This is the situation I am in. Work in an old, well known late 70s LA studio. It's a private studio under a long term lease. Sure there is more, but over the past 7-9 years I can only think of one studio that was large and historic that actually got torn down.
I get that. I have a more modest studio which I don't rent out. I make more money with less hassle producing my own compositions and collaborations than I would trying to rent the place to outsiders.

-R
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If Sound City had live chambers I never knew about it, or else have forgotten.

Funny, I had stopped calling them years before because they were always booked and I could never get in.

-R
Yeah don't know much about them either, just remember a good friend/fellow engineer being there while they were working on them.

Another change I know of is they changed the floor and from pictures looks like ceiling too (ceiling was getting pretty gross ha).

On the fairfax website it mentions they used the same flooring as original. Sure KA didn't just start randomly tearing things down, but sure it has changed also. For best or worst.
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I get that. I have a more modest studio which I don't rent out. I make more money with less hassle producing my own compositions and collaborations than I would trying to rent the place to outsiders.

-R
Cool, yeah sorry wasn't directing that at you. Just a random thought on the subject. Sure you understand this being in LA. It's how most work these days out here.
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Yeah don't know much about them either, just remember a good friend/fellow engineer being there while they were working on them.

Another change I know of is they changed the floor and from pictures looks like ceiling too (ceiling was getting pretty gross ha).

On the fairfax website it mentions they used the same flooring as original. Sure KA didn't just start randomly tearing things down, but sure it has changed also. For best or worst.
The echo chamber is on the opposite side of the building adjacent to the Foley stage next door...

What they did was turn the Isolation rooms in the hallway by the bathroom for Studio A into office space - which is what your friend is probably talking about.

The original tile isn't available anymore (most of the original materials contained asbestos)

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The echo chamber is on the opposite side of the building adjacent to the Foley stage next door...

What they did was turn the Isolation rooms in the hallway by the bathroom for Studio A into office space - which is what your friend is probably talking about.

The original tile isn't available anymore

Rail
Hmm will have to check again with my buddy. Pretty sure he wasn't referring to the iso rooms/amp rooms. We had worked there right before KA took it over and doubt I would of confused the two. But always possible I misunderstood. Just remember him telling me because it was the first I had heard of KA making changes.

Also had always heard the tile wasn't available. Unlikely but maybe they found a bunch unused somewhere? The reason I brought the tile up was from Fairfax Recordings website. They talk about it here:

May 2011 | Fairfax Recordings
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I also want to point out that, as wonderful it is that DG saved that console, afaik I can't go over there and use it. So, good for him, but in the vast scheme, so what?
The vast scheme is truly the whole point.

First off, its not in his bedroom. It's installed in a recording studio so far as I know. So its being used to make music, which is great. That studio may not be public today, but nobody knows what the future holds and could possibly be for rent someday. As it is in a studio, ya never know what twist of fate life can offer and maybe someday you'll be sitting in front of it for one reason or another. It still exists.

Frankly, its f'ing odd that on this board, gearslutz, that there could even be a debate about this angle. show us your 70's console threads...

It was bought by a guy who was so in love with the lore of it he made a damn movie about it, so at least for now it is in the hands of someone that respects it. When the day comes that he is done with it, perhaps it will get handed to someone in his circle trusted to do the same. Perhaps the tax write off on the donation to a museum could be worth it down the road, perhaps it goes into a different studio. The only thing that matters is that its still in one piece so the console has a future. And its still making music, which is great!

It gets to stay a console for a few more years, thats awesome. I dont know how many people have looked inside those frames, but the wiring is a state of high art. Im talking about the looming on the wiring that some old english lady did. People may **** there pants over an EQ, but a pretty stellar assembly team came together to make those things exist and the construction of an 80 series neve is really not comparable to many things I have seen in my life.

Broker buys the console, sells the modules, maybe tries to sell the bucket, maybe it winds up in the garbage. Just a shame.

Maybe my perspective is off, Im so impressed with the lore of some consoles I decided to start a console manufacturing business in 2011... Whatever.
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I've only come in here at the McDonald's part.

Don't want to read the whole thread, but am curious what the controversy is here. Could someone briefly encapsulate.
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First off, its not in his bedroom. It's installed in a recording studio so far as I know. So its being used to make music, which is great. That studio may not be public today, but nobody knows what the future holds and could possibly be for rent someday.
I bet Studio 606 is available for hire.
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I've only come in here at the McDonald's part.

Don't want to read the whole thread, but am curious what the controversy is here. Could someone briefly encapsulate.
Sound City was a great studio!
No, Sound City was a fairly poor sounding studio!
Dave Grohl is a hero!
No, Dave Grohl is a rich untalented lout!
Music was better then!
Are you an idiot! Music is better now!
McDonalds Is all about hype.
No, McDonalds is about food.
Food? McDonalds is selling widgets.
Seriously, to make it in music it is all hype!
No way! Justin Beiber is actually talented!
Electronic music is more exciting than old school music!
Are you serious?
Etc, Etc, Etc.
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Originally Posted by AwTAC ➡️
The vast scheme is truly the whole point.

First off, its not in his bedroom. It's installed in a recording studio so far as I know. So its being used to make music, which is great. That studio may not be public today, but nobody knows what the future holds and could possibly be for rent someday. As it is in a studio, ya never know what twist of fate life can offer and maybe someday you'll be sitting in front of it for one reason or another. It still exists.

Frankly, its f'ing odd that on this board, gearslutz, that there could even be a debate about this angle. show us your 70's console threads...

It was bought by a guy who was so in love with the lore of it he made a damn movie about it, so at least for now it is in the hands of someone that respects it. When the day comes that he is done with it, perhaps it will get handed to someone in his circle trusted to do the same. Perhaps the tax write off on the donation to a museum could be worth it down the road, perhaps it goes into a different studio. The only thing that matters is that its still in one piece so the console has a future. And its still making music, which is great!

It gets to stay a console for a few more years, thats awesome. I dont know how many people have looked inside those frames, but the wiring is a state of high art. Im talking about the looming on the wiring that some old english lady did. People may **** there pants over an EQ, but a pretty stellar assembly team came together to make those things exist and the construction of an 80 series neve is really not comparable to many things I have seen in my life.

Broker buys the console, sells the modules, maybe tries to sell the bucket, maybe it winds up in the garbage. Just a shame.

Maybe my perspective is off, Im so impressed with the lore of some consoles I decided to start a console manufacturing business in 2011... Whatever.
I think it's awesome that this console will stay in tact. Not only did I work on these for many years but I also cleaned them by hand (until our fingers bled) and with an ultra-sonic cleaner. So I'm well aware of what an awesome piece this is. Inside and out.

But I also don't have a huge issue with many of them being parted out. I think it's kind of cool that some of these consoles are being used everyday by 64 different users. Much better than them siting in storage.

Unlike many other consoles, pieces of the 80 series Neves will probably be around forever.
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Originally Posted by Rick Sutton ➡️
Sound City was a great studio!
No, Sound City was a fairly poor sounding studio!
Dave Grohl is a hero!
No, Dave Grohl is a rich untalented lout!
Music was better then!
Are you an idiot! Music is better now!
McDonalds Is all about hype.
No, McDonalds is about food.
Seriously, to make it in music it is all hype!
No way! Justin Beiber is actually talented!
Electronic music is more exciting than old school music!
Are you serious?
Etc, Etc, Etc.
Not bad.
Old 13th February 2013
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so, the number of artist (famous or not) that have been in Sound City. Well.. the list seems pretty long ?

one thing I noticed is a couple of snapshots of Eddie Van Halen.. I never knew that he recorded there ? anybody know what project it was ? I don't believe any of the Van Halen albums were done there.. I could be wrong ?
Old 13th February 2013
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People are missing the point

This is a great film but i feel people are missing the point and turning it into a debate about digital vs analog. the mian points it covers is the history of sound city, the many bands that came through its doors, the beauty of the the neve console, and how the digital revelution saw people stray away to other studios to even with todays world the DIY at home. In no way are they saying digital sucks, they are just pointing out the keys facts of what every studio is seeing today, digital is making things cheaper for the DIY band, NOT that is sucks and analog is king, they do praise Pro Tools for its eas and time saving features. But all in all this doco is fantastic and makes excelent porn for every gear slut. a must see.
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The studio might not be available strictly for hire, but it is absolutely available to others. I just did a record with Jason Narducy and Dave offered to let him cut it there. My impression is that he offers it to his many other friends as well.

And my other impression is that Dave is about as rad a person as it gets.

And funny, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhdCslFcKFU
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Originally Posted by Rick Sutton ➡️
Sound City was a great studio!
No, Sound City was a fairly poor sounding studio!
Dave Grohl is a hero!
No, Dave Grohl is a rich untalented lout!
Music was better then!
Are you an idiot! Music is better now!
McDonalds Is all about hype.
No, McDonalds is about food.
Food? McDonalds is selling widgets.
Seriously, to make it in music it is all hype!
No way! Justin Beiber is actually talented!
Electronic music is more exciting than old school music!
Are you serious?
Etc, Etc, Etc.
There were far more "Grohl is a filthy a-hole" comments though.
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Don't want to read the whole thread, but am curious what the controversy is here. Could someone briefly encapsulate.
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I've only come in here at the McDonald's part.

Don't want to read the whole thread, but am curious what the controversy is here. Could someone briefly encapsulate.
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I was the studio manager at Sound City from July 1991 'til March 2010. I have been following this thread for the past few days and though there have been some insightful posts and dialogue generated here - there have also been some misconceptions and outright bashing that need to be corrected.

Studio Crews: In a previous post someone had suggested that studio crews work for the privilege of hanging around the "Cherished Ones" which is just insulting. For myself the first time I walked into a studio at the age of sixteen and it was the control room I fell in love with not the band or cherished ones. I put myself through college studying music, audio production as well as electronics and worked my way up from grunt, receptionist, assistant engineer to studio manager. My crew at Sound City came from diverse backgrounds. Some were actual clients that recorded at Sound City for major labels, some with an educational background such as mine, one that walked away from a six figure job on Wall Street, and with the exception of one assistant they all started out as runners and trained up to become assistant engineers. They worked long hours cleaning the studio, painting the walls, making coffee, answering the phones, fetching equipment and food, delivering tapes and hard drives, moving equipment and road cases, fixing cables, assisting on set-ups and break-downs of sessions, assisting on BBQ's, putting tarps on the roof during storms, defrosting frozen air conditioner coils on the roof in 95 degree heat as well as taking care of the studio cat (Rewind) regardless of if they were allergic or not. One assistant put in more then 124 hours in one week with little complaining and is now a multi-platinum engineer. There was no chore that anyone on the crew considered to be above, and like all studio crews they did not do it to hang around the "Cherished Ones" - they did it for the love of the job. Not one of my crew ever left for jobs at another studio - instead they were stolen by my clients and have gone on to become engineers & producers as well as studio owners in their own right. They worked hard and I'm proud of each and every one of them.

The Records: During my nineteen years at Sound City I was fortunate to work with Masters of Reality, Rage Against The Machine, The Black Crows, Kyuss, System of a Down, Queens of The Stoneage, Tool, Weezer, Ry Cooder, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, Tim Finn, Jonathan Rice, Slipknot, Garbage, Foo Fighters, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Taj Mahal, Mavis Staples, The Wallflowers, Rancid, Bad Religion, The Melvins, L7, Blind Melon, Sheryl Crow, Josh Groban, ZZ Top, Death Cab For Cutie, Elvis Costello, Robert Cray, Nine Inch Nails and many more. To say that Sound City in it's 40 year history never generated any great records is ridiculous and if you are looking for a reference CD I strongly suggest Tom Petty and The Heart Breakers "Wallflowers".

Studio vs Studio: Every studio has it's own attributes and qualities. Every engineer and producer chooses a studio based upon the type of music, the artist's needs, and the budget. While Sound City studio A was a great rock drum room - strings were never a great idea (with the train tracks 100 ft. away). To say in a general statement that Sunset Sound is better then Capitol, or The Village is better than Ocean Way or Henson is better then Sunset Sound shows complete lack of professional experience and is a sign of ignorance. As far as I'm concerned they are all exceptional in their own way and should all be cherished.

The Neve: The Sound City Neve 8028 was designed and custom built by Rupert Neve for Sound City in 1974. It was the first Neve installed in LA and is an all hand-wired, class A, discrete console with 28 inputs 16 buss 24 monitor. Not the most flexible console built, but the sound makes the effort worth it. The clients were not joking when they said all you had to do was push up the faders. As sad as it was to watch from afar as Sound City closed, I do find solace that my beloved Neve is still whole, cared for and being used on a daily basis.

Analog vs Digital: Really?! How long is this argument going to gone on? I'm an analog lover but Pro Tools is a creative tool (in the right hands) and unfortunately a necessary tool in today's record productions of declining budgets and musicianship. There is no engineer, producer or for that matter musician I know that loves sitting in front of a computer screen all day instead of being in a commercial studio filled with musicians. Pro Tools has become a fact of life due to mainly shrinking budgets which could be a whole other documentary.

Dave Grohl: I have worked with Dave off and on over the years and we always looked forward to his sessions at Sound City. He is talented, funny, hard working, usually the first to arrive, the last to leave and always generous to the crew. Music, like all art, is subjective - whether you are fan or not, the man has earned every dollar. It is just petty jealously to bash someone for being successful.

Studio Closing: I was laid off and replaced by the owner's daughter in March of 2010 - by July 2011 Sound City was officially closed. The owners sold off the equipment and leased the space to Kevin Agunas. Kevin tore up the floor and changed the room treatments in studio A to suit his particular needs. It may sound better, it may not... but it is not Sound City.

The Movie: In this thread there having been postings arguing that the theme of Sound City the documentary is about analog vs digital or Dave Grohl showing off his new toy - it is actually much more simple. On my last day at Sound City Dave was the last call I received and he spoke of the importance he felt that the studio and staff had contributed to his history, and I spoke how he contributed to ours. The movie is about people getting together for one reason or another in an old studio located in the valley that eventually changed music and just as important their lives. The second half of the movie is the hope that it can still happen, as Mick Fleetwood stated "you can record by yourself but you will be much happier recording with others". I thought Dave was nuts to take on a subject that meant so many different things to so many people but he and his production crew nailed it. Sound City to us was simply home.

-Shivaun O'Brien
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Old 13th February 2013
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Shivaun you're a star!! I've got a little bit of a crush on you.
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Shivaun,

Thanks for posting. I'm gonna say something and it's how I really feel. I have been the only person moderating this thread and it has been a disaster. I know a lot of things were written in the thread that are untrue and most likely pretty hurtful to some. I hope dave never reads it. I have spent the past few days trying to defuse things and clean up off topic artist bashing, I even had to ban a member. But in the end I modded this thread very passively because when you mod heavy around here you get f'n slaughtered and not that that usually bothers me, I can take but I have backed off over the past few years after being crucified publicly for doing my job. Anyway, I should have stepped up to the plate and I feel responsible for this thread. I apologize. Never again. If I'm gonna mod this place I'm doing it my way, end of story.

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