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Old 19th March 2003
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Typically what sound shaping ARE you doing with your SMC2B ?

Describe the settings / action you expect from the unit.

Thanks

Jules
Old 19th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by jon
Hi Renie,

The deal with the Massivo is that it is one of my go-to vocal EQs. A few free-lancers put it on the 2-bus; I don't, at least for mixing. It darkens/colors/transforms the mix up too much for my taste. I'd rather do that to individual elements or subgroups, not the whole she-bang. I do use it for mastering, however, sometimes.


Hey Jon,

If its too colored for the mix, try running it through the line inputs(bypasses the transformer).

I sometimes do this when mixing vocals: males- unbalanced in(no transformer), females-balanced(with transformer).

I like it on the mix buss when mixing in PT(it gives it a much needed "euphonic tone").

When mixing analog i normally don't.

I have discovered that the comp it matches the best with on the mix buss is... the Manley Vari-MU.

I guess Hutch was using one when he was testing the Massive.heh
Old 19th March 2003
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success

I just finished mastering a record with Greg Calbi at Sterling Sound (Monday). We tried something different and it worked to great success.

I brought a variety of hi res (88.2/24) Masterlink mixes with some eq and a small amount of compression (Vari Mu, Massive, SLAM!) may be 2 dB.

I also brought stereo stems of the mixes. I broke each song down to 5 stereo stems (drums, bass, vocals etc...). This allowed him to treat the vocal without compromising the rest of the center etc...
Since we both use the Dangerous 2 Buss I pre configured these so they were essentially drag, open and play. In every case, we used the stems.
The result was a tighter mix, bigger bottom and great image retention. We were both very happy with the results.

Tonight, I'll master at my place using the same method and I think it might be the way to go.

One funny thing is that he asked me to solo the bass. I asked him why and he remarked " No reason, I've always wanted to say that."
cheers,
chap
Old 19th March 2003
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Interesting...

Are PT rigs brought to mixdown a regular occurance for him?

Did you bring yours?

Does he feed his D2B with an ApogeeeSE like you do?

What sort of outboard got used what?

Old 19th March 2003
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I work very hard at getting a mix balance that a two-buss compressor or equalizer won't change all that much.

The one thing you can count on is that your mix is going to get compressed a lot more in broadcasting. The relative level, eq. and dynamics of each track is what "locks" in a musical balance. I check what a compressor does frequently but don't necessarily leave it on the mix.
Old 19th March 2003
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Re: success

Quote:
Originally posted by chap
I just finished mastering a record with Greg Calbi at Sterling Sound (Monday). We tried something different and it worked to great success.

I brought a variety of hi res (88.2/24) Masterlink mixes with some eq and a small amount of compression (Vari Mu, Massive, SLAM!) may be 2 dB.

I also brought stereo stems of the mixes. I broke each song down to 5 stereo stems (drums, bass, vocals etc...). This allowed him to treat the vocal without compromising the rest of the center etc...
Since we both use the Dangerous 2 Buss I pre configured these so they were essentially drag, open and play. In every case, we used the stems.
The result was a tighter mix, bigger bottom and great image retention. We were both very happy with the results.

Tonight, I'll master at my place using the same method and I think it might be the way to go.

One funny thing is that he asked me to solo the bass. I asked him why and he remarked " No reason, I've always wanted to say that."
cheers,
chap

Hey Chap,

Is Greg still mastering on his Pro Acs or did he switch to something else?

When ever I master at Sterling its usually with Tom Coyne.
Old 19th March 2003
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His speakers (as I understand it) are the same ones he's used for years. I'm trying to get him to listen to a pair of Adams for near field A/B stuff but he's pretty good on the rig he has. He's a real artist.


Jules -
We stemmed out through an HD rig like mine (but with less plugs).

I did my stems through the Trac2 matrix.

He stemmed out of PT into a Digi box to dBs.

He used much of the same gear that I use (Massive,
Vari Mu) as well as Weiss digital stuff , ear eqs.
A Focusrite Blue compressor (different than my 215s) so I guess new? and a variety of other stuff. All of it used minimally while I applied various comp/eq plugs into PT to work in conjunction with his tweaks. It was a blast and a real ear opener.
Old 19th March 2003
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db's ???

wuz dat?

Was he dealing with 4 x stero stems or 8 x stereo stems?
Old 19th March 2003
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dB= converters
5 stereo stems
amazing options.
Old 19th March 2003
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Probably DB Systems converters. (I forget the new name...) I'd also love to hear what 5 Benchmark DAC-1s would sound like.

I suspect from my experience doing soundtracks that the only way you can master surround really well is going to be from from stems. We will probably be seeing a lot more of this in the future as mastering rooms get set up for it.
Old 19th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by chap
His speakers (as I understand it) are the same ones he's used for years. I'm trying to get him to listen to a pair of Adams for near field A/B stuff but he's pretty good on the rig he has. He's a real artist.


A Focusrite Blue compressor (different than my 215s) so I guess new? and a variety of other stuff.
I guess then its still the Pro Acs Response 4 speakers.

The compressor is a 330(discontinued mastering version of the 230).
Old 19th March 2003
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you're right. I was a 330. I'm not a huge fan of the Focusrite stuff. I really like my 215s for certain things but that 330 sounded great in conjuntion with the Vari Mu. It's amazing what a 1/2 db here and there can do.
In the end it all comes down to ears and knowing how to use the gear you have. Of course, I'll buy some new fangled piece of gear this week, I'm sure.
Old 19th March 2003
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Originally posted by chap
you're right. I was a 330. I'm not a huge fan of the Focusrite stuff. I really like my 215s for certain things but that 330 sounded great in conjuntion with the Vari Mu. It's amazing what a 1/2 db here and there can do.
In the end it all comes down to ears and knowing how to use the gear you have. Of course, I'll buy some new fangled piece of gear this week, I'm sure.
There were three different versions made(custom order):

1) No transformers on input or outputs

2)No transformer on the input,transformer on the output-Like a Red 3

3)Transformer on input and output-Like a 230(my favorite)

Each one sounds different.

The last one sounds closer to a Neve 33609(at low ratios and highest threshold) than the first two.

I don't know which one Greg has though.

There were more made of the first two than of the third.

I guess most mastering guys felt that if you took out the transformers, you would get a cleaner signal. They just didn't know that its the transformers that gives it its unique sound.

Same thing happened to the RED 3. The original ones(the one's people went bananas over, had transformers on both ins and outs).

Along the way, they introduced the Blue 230(broadcast compressor, stepped controls) a more expensive version of the RED 3 with the transformers on the ins and outs and continued to make the RED 3 without the trannie on the in. It totally changed the way it sounds.

Talk about a major screw up.heh
Old 20th March 2003
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I wish I knew what any of that meant ;-)

chap's been blowing my mind lately! lol
Old 20th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
I work very hard at getting a mix balance that a two-buss compressor or equalizer won't change all that much.
Thanks, I guess I'm in good company then
Old 20th March 2003
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a mind.....

a mind is a terrible thing to blow
it's pretty simple really. I'll give you the gorey details after my 4 year old kicks her pneumonia (sucks). I think we need an 'anti body' plug in.
cheers,
chap
Old 20th March 2003
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ps - the CD features a Rolling Stone on 2 cuts.
I'll post a link when it's released on Ryco in about 6 weeks.
Old 31st July 2003
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Thrill,

You might enjoy reading some of your earlier posts on this fascinating topic!!

Change is good!!

heh
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