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Old 8th September 2012
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Shoegaze Gear

Anyone know what gear was used? Technique, Mic's, Consoles etc..

Think: Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine; The Jesus and ...etc

Not much info online.

Bring it on.

Z
Old 8th September 2012
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I just saw Jesus & Mary Chain Thursday night and their guitar setups were actually simple and I did not see a lot of pedal stomping.

William Reid used what looked like a Gibson ES-335 through two Orange amps with 4X12 cabs. He was out of tune a lot so that helped a bit for the sound. He did have one main effect he used a lot that gave it that "shrill" feeback but I was not close enough to see it.

The rhythm guitarist, Mark Crozer, used what looked like a Gibson ES-175 through a Vox AC-30 throughout the whole show.
Old 9th September 2012
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i don't think there is any specific gear other than the spx90 getting mentioned all the time.

i'd say it's more about the type of effects used. like loads of reverb. tape delays, flangers.

most rack mounted effects boxes will enable you to get shoegaze sounds.
Old 9th September 2012
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Not trying to be a smartass, but that's unanswerably vague.

Kind of like asking "how do I get that rock n roll sound? Like The Beatles, Boston, Chuck Barry, etc".

I'm going to go out on a limb and say most bands that fall into the shoegaze genre have pretty distinct gear choices... Someone like MBV can have totally different gear from one song to the next. There's actually quite a bit out there about Loveless, if you look around.

So... looking for anything in particular?
Old 9th September 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 79_Limited ➡️
I just saw Jesus & Mary Chain Thursday night and their guitar setups were actually simple and I did not see a lot of pedal stomping.

William Reid used what looked like a Gibson ES-335 through two Orange amps with 4X12 cabs. He was out of tune a lot so that helped a bit for the sound. He did have one main effect he used a lot that gave it that "shrill" feeback but I was not close enough to see it.

The rhythm guitarist, Mark Crozer, used what looked like a Gibson ES-175 through a Vox AC-30 throughout the whole show.


You almost never really see pedal boards at shows of successful bands because they will have a tech backstage working their racks, rigs, pedals and switchers. Only left for the stage is a wah-wah at most of the bigger shows I've seen.

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Old 9th September 2012
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Originally Posted by zoro ➡️
Anyone know what gear was used? Technique, Mic's, Consoles etc..

Think: Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine; The Jesus and ...etc

Not much info online.

Bring it on.

Z
Far too wide a brief. Jesus and Mary Chain and Cocteau twins??? They don't have much in common sound wise (or gear wise I would suspect). Fwiw The Cocteau's guitar sounds were done a lot with Eventides apparently.

I can tell you one Jesus and Mary Chain story... They had a black painted beaten up distortion/fuzz pedal. They didn't really know what make it was (or if it was maybe not working quite right) but they loved the weird trashy way it sounded. When they worked with a new engineer, they would plug it in and if he said "I think your pedal is broken..." they would get another engineer. If the engineer said "I love your pedal" then they would stick with him. So they said in an interview back then...
Old 9th September 2012
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I know im painting with a broad brush here, sorry about that.

the thing is. I'm working ITB and cant seem to hit the saturation that I'm after (especially in the hi freq)
my settup is :1073 DPA-u87-Duet-Logic

I was thinking of buying a small midrange console with character, so that i can push the sound more. was thinking of midas venice or other console in that range. what midrange consoles sounds cool when pushed?

thanks
Z
Old 9th September 2012
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Originally Posted by zoro ➡️
I know im painting with a broad brush here, sorry about that.

the thing is. I'm working ITB and cant seem to hit the saturation that I'm after (especially in the hi freq)
my settup is :1073 DPA-u87-Duet-Logic

I was thinking of buying a small midrange console with character, so that i can push the sound more. was thinking of midas venice or other console in that range. what midrange consoles sounds cool when pushed?

thanks
Z
IMHO midrange consoles don't sound good when pushed. And pushing a console (in a good way) is quite a subtle thing to do. It's not clear what you want to saturate and in what way... Guitars? Drums? Vox? The whole mix? You'd be best off doing it in the box with something like Soundtoys Decapitator which is designed for this. It models various bits of high end gear being pushed and can go from subtle to mashed to death. Do a search; it is much loved on GS. Unless you have a load of high end gear and want to commit to distortion on the way in, I would do at the mix stage with plugs.
Old 9th September 2012
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a pair of shoes?
Old 9th September 2012
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Loveless purportedly featured a ton of Drawmer 1960. I'm inclined to agree.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zoro ➡️
I know im painting with a broad brush here, sorry about that.

the thing is. I'm working ITB and cant seem to hit the saturation that I'm after (especially in the hi freq)
my settup is :1073 DPA-u87-Duet-Logic

I was thinking of buying a small midrange console with character, so that i can push the sound more. was thinking of midas venice or other console in that range. what midrange consoles sounds cool when pushed?

thanks
Z
Is that your only setup on the amp? Personally, I'd run a bunch of different amps with a bunch of different mics and pres is possible. I'd definitely have a dynamic or two in there as well. I'd layer those guitars on pretty thick and run them as many different ways as possible to really saturate all those guitar frequencies.
Old 9th September 2012
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I thought you just select a suitable lo-fi reverb. Make sure it's more wet than dry and at some point in the song play something that sounds like that guitar line from "And then he kissed me".


Regards,
Frank
Old 10th September 2012
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Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
Old 10th September 2012
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god i hate this sub genre crap.


anyway, Jesus and Mary chain were just walls of reverb and distortion really. i can't imagine needing to buy any one specific model to achieve the sound they achieved.

with reverb i think it would be based more on the kind of reverb they were using as opposed to what model. i.e. spring, tape, digital...

fun fact: simon raymonde had a band with Frankie Nardiello of the thrill kill kult for a short time.
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fun fact: Robin Guthrie had a band with Frankie Nardiello of the thrill kill kult for a short time.
That actually is a fun fact. I didn't know that!

Thanks,
Frank
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Originally Posted by Space Station ➡️
Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
'cuz that was the only word left in the english language that hasn't been used already. why, electronica alone uses up around three quarters of them
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That actually is a fun fact. I didn't know that!

Thanks,
Frank

whoops! it was simon raymonde. whatever!

they only released a few 45's. and they had a different singer for some of it. still decent however.
Old 10th September 2012
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You could put your question into Google and already have your answer but....

A ton of tracking, overdubs, echoplex/space echo, fuzz, quadraverb, Wierd tunings, tremolo, es335, ric, epi casino, and or strat, jaguar, jazzmaster, Roland jc120, vox ac30. So if you're itb try basing your "gear" off of that. Nasty DLA would be a good start for an echo.

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Originally Posted by Space Station ➡️
Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
lol, too funny.

I'm waiting for "bubble gum stuck to my shoe goo".


edit: sorry OP, no offense meant at the bands and gear q's, just the sub, sub, sub genre names. it's such a crazy mess to keep track of. best of luck.
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Originally Posted by Space Station ➡️
Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
From Wiki:

"The British music press—particularly NME and Melody Maker—named this style shoegazing because the musicians in these bands stood relatively still during live performances in a detached, introspective, non-confrontational state, hence the idea that they were gazing at their shoes."

It is a silly name, though.

Regards,
Frank
Old 10th September 2012
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Reveeeeeeeeeerb-delay -y -y -y -y -y....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ionian ➡️
From Wiki:

"The British music press—particularly NME and Melody Maker—named this style shoegazing because the musicians in these bands stood relatively still during live performances in a detached, introspective, non-confrontational state, hence the idea that they were gazing at their shoes."

It is a silly name, though.

Regards,
Frank
The British music press really were a bunch of smug tossers back then. They also referred to the movement as The Scene That Celebrates Itself, which was much more applicable to the journalists. And then came Riot Grrrl.
Old 10th September 2012
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Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
Meh. It's a useful, if ill conceived moniker. I've long since outgrown caring about such trivialities.

To the OP, FWIW, I don't really know what specific vibe you're going for or on which instruments, but I actually disagree with the person who said 'go itb'.

As time has gone on, I'm realizing with more and more certainty that the best way to getting the sound I want is to just get it right at the source. Sounds obvious, I know. Cymbals don't have the high end character you're going for? You're probably using the wrong cymbals. Guitars don't jive? Keep pushing that amp, or try a different amp/guitar combo... Really, it'll yield the best result in the end.
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Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
All genre names are better than IDM.

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Originally Posted by sameal ➡️
god i hate this sub genre crap.
You don't like that some artists with shared influences and approaches can be identified as musically similar?

Back on topic, about 20 years ago, I remember reading something by an engineer on some Cocteau Twins records, and I was floored by the number of tracks they used in the final recordings- dozens and dozens of vocal tracks per song. Wish I could remember more details, but it was a pretty unique approach at the time.
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Originally Posted by Space Station ➡️
Lol @ shoegaze what a silly term for a genre.
No more sillier than 'chillwave' which inexplicably came to describe recently-minted shoegaze-type bands.... How 'bout 'dream pop'? That's used sometimes too....
Old 10th September 2012
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yeah the dream pop one really bugs me.

got to admit i'm a massive shoegaze fan and have been since the 90's. i really like the new stuff coming out of the states. to me this is where some of the cutting edge music is happening around nashville etc.

i guess it's not the first time that the yanks have borrowed from the brit scene and taken it further as has also happened the other way around with the brits doing it to the yanks.
Old 10th September 2012
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Pretty sure the "shoegaze" label was invented by the media..
Old 10th September 2012
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Another reason it was called shoe-gaze was because of the massive rows of peddles that the guitarists had.
Fun music.
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All genre names are better than IDM.

You don't like that some artists with shared influences and approaches can be identified as musically similar?

.
no, that's not what I'm saying at all. everyone's trying way to hard to come up with some definition of what their doing these days.

it's music.
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