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Best way of monitoring without a mixer
Old 9th September 2002
  #1
Mindreader
 
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🎧 15 years
Best way of monitoring without a mixer

At home I monitor straight out of the back of the analogue outs of my 2408 into my powered Genelecs. Unfortunately, this means the only control I have over the level is on Logic Audio's master fader. It's a pain in the arse.

I borrowed a nameless desk just to use it for level control. It sounded awful compared to 'straight in' to the Genelec's.

I'm going to buy some bigger monitors now as well. How can I switch between my monitors and have a level control without ****ing the sound up?

And no I don't want to buy a mixer.

Bev
Old 9th September 2002
  #2
Founder
 
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TB4 DAW Talkback Monitor (one with a talkback built in)
M3 DAW Monitor (one without)

Go have a look here and investigate further

http://www.colemanaudio.com/

Fletcher sells em

Old 9th September 2002
  #3
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🎧 15 years
You could also check out the Furman SRM 80. It has the ability to switch between 3 sets of monitors and the ablility to listen to 4 different 2track sources and then route them together if you like. Like if you need to make a cassette from your Dat or cd player it will allow you to route it. I do not know the website for furman but I have seen these units used for 250.00
Old 9th September 2002
  #4
Gear Addict
 
🎧 15 years
Or get a project box and a stereo potentiometer or a stereo stepped attenuator and some connectors to throw between the output and your monitors.

The trick is switching w/o pops. Maybe throw in a volume control for each pair and add the switching before the controls so you can minimize volume before switching.

Unglamorous, no extra features, but the direct solution.

Bear
Old 9th September 2002
  #5
bleen
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Check out the Mission Control

To Quote:

MIXERLESS WORKSTATION
The main application for Mission Control is when it's used in between your digital audio workstation and your various monitoring systems. It's the missing link that gives everything that you might want from the control room section of a mixing board without actually having to use a mixer for these functions.

CONVENIENCE MONITORING
One quite useful application of Mission Control is that it gives you the ability to listen to something over your studio monitors without having to have your entire studio fired up. You can simply plug into the Mission Control monitor inputs and turn up the input monitor level.
Old 11th September 2002
  #6
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🎧 15 years
Jules,

Is the Coleman TB4 DAW Talkback Monitor the same as the M3 DAW Monitor but with talkback?

Thanks,
Eduardo
Old 12th September 2002
  #7
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I couldnt figure that out myself, ask Fletcher, he's a dealer for em..

[email protected]

Old 12th September 2002
  #8
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🎧 15 years
Thanks for the plug Jules... but I actually don't know all that much about them... however, Samara on our staff does. You can find her at: [email protected]. She knows more about the digital systems end of things than I do... including monitoring solutions like the Coleman Audio products.
Old 12th September 2002
  #9
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I suggest checking out hi-fi preamps. Most are far higher quality than most of what I've seen sold as "pro" audio.
Old 13th September 2002
  #10
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This is what samara answered me:

It's not exactly the
same as the M3PH which has four stereo inputs and three outputs (the TB4
has only 2 stereo outputs) but it is the only Coleman piece in the line
that has the talkback mic.
Old 15th September 2002
  #11
Gear Head
 
🎧 15 years
I'm in the same boat!

I narrowed my choices so far down to:
Studio Technologies Model 60/61.
Coleman M3PH or PS1P
Goldpoint SA1X
Mission Control

I personally am attracted to an attenuator type control which the Coleman and Goldpoint offer.

Mackie and Furman types will degrade the sound somewhat.

Anyone know of any simple higher end mixer ($1500 range, no pres necessary) that may do the job and not dfegad on the sound?

Hope this helps.

Old 15th September 2002
  #12
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🎧 15 years
Adcom makes a preamp, the GFP-750 for $1250 list that should be great.
Old 16th September 2002
  #13
Gear Head
 
🎧 15 years
Hmmm! I never considered an audiophile preamp. Sounds like an idea. Anyone using these things?

Bev, did you decide what you'll use?
Old 16th September 2002
  #14
Mindreader
 
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🎧 15 years
Got any urls for those leon?
Old 16th September 2002
  #15
Craneslut
 
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🎧 15 years
I'm trying out the new Dangerous Monitor (link) right now. Very flexible - worth looking at...

I'll be posting more info after I've lived with it for a couple of weeks...
Old 16th September 2002
  #16
Gear Head
 
🎧 15 years
Bev,

Here they are. I think that Bob is on the right track with his recommendations or audiophile as opposed to pro.

Bob's recommendation is a very good one: the Adcom the GFP-750. I found lots of good reviews on them If however you don't need the pre amp to intergrate more components into your system you may want to get he Goldpoint.

During a search in audiophile reviews I found many hi end users loving this simple piece (Goldpoint). I may go that direction (top of list) but I am still deciding. The Coleman also has monitor switching along with an attenuator so may be a better choice (more money).

I'd still like to check into more audiophile pre amps with an attenuator. Anyone?

Here's some links to some very cool stuff tat you asked for:

http://www.colemanaudio.com/m3.html
http://www.goldpt.com/vcb.html
http://www.i3audio.com/default.htm
http://www.studio-tech.com/Data-M60M61.htm
http://www.nhtpro.com/pro_product.asp?subjectid=3
http://www.colemanaudio.com/ps1.html
http://www.audioreview.com/Preamplif...0_1591crx.aspx
http://www.stereotimes.com/amp080299.shtm
http://www.manleylabs.com/containerpages/shrimp.html

By the way, Dangerous Monitors looks SICK! Amazing piece but overkill for us. Pricey too!

Let me know which route you take.

Leon
Old 17th September 2002
  #17
Mindreader
 
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🎧 15 years
Leon, thanks a million for bothering!!
I'll let you know what I decide!
Bev
Old 17th September 2002
  #18
Gear Head
 
🎧 15 years
Bev

If I were you I'd get the Goldpoint.
It's the simplest one and I've read some really great reviews on it. The model you'd need is the SA1X. Simple as could be. XLR in and XLR out. I believe Manley uses the same attenuators in their VoX Box and such.

Good luck!
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