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Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
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Dirty halo has no real argument ,he argue in a dogmatic/idiologic way.

When he say that the Oasys cannot do the same like a Moog or so,so i can turn the direction and say, there a many things on the Oasys
there are not possible with the Moog.When you create a
Program with 2 AL-1 slots and control many parameters with the vectorstick the results are not possible on the Moog Voyager because
its monophone and it has not so many features.It is easy for the Oasys to reproduce a analog sound style the different between a real analog is not so big as the limitation with an real analog synth you have(less features,less voices,problems to become spare parts when the old electronic broken..).And the VA egines of the Oasys are not so bandlimited like MOSS or another older VA,you have less aliasing as in
the Acces Virus.

And in the analog world there are differents between instruments too.You cannot create Moogsound with an OB 8 because Toms envelopes are not so fast,but in the synth engine of the Oasys you can make your choice
to switch between linear or exponentiell or to modulate the envelope like here OASYS - Program Mode

The plucked string Modell STR-1 was not made only to simulate a guitar
so you can create more synthetic sounds like here
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/Waterphone.mp3
http://www.tastenwelt.de/fileadmin/u...str1_synth.mp3

The Korg Demos are only scratch on the surface when you take time for the programming you can create more impressive sounds.So the live playing with real loudspeakers are an another world.

Many people have not the money and the place to buy a huge synth farm,so the Oasys is the ideal instrument to concentrate many things
in one.My only beef with the Oasys is the mainsequencer ,some things here are uncomfortable and not up to date and the missing Formant-shaper in the Mod-7 FM engine like in Yamaha's FS1R.But these things can be updated,lets see what happend in the future.

Yes, VST-plug in's like Reactor or Absynth 4 has more features,but the soundquality is not so good and you have less voices and more latency.
The Oasys is running with optimized software,you have more
freeroom for effects,voices and HD-recording as in a PC that is the
fact.The Oasys is 3 years old and the soundquality is the best on the
digital market.

Examples?

KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/tunis.mp3
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/prayer.mp3
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/eworld.mp3
http://www.petermmahr.com/blog/audio/2k7-RC_remix.mp3
http://perso.orange.fr/rcmusic/Mix%20RCMUSIC.mp3

blogasys » guess what… another MOD-7 audio demo

blogasys » TX-816 vs. MOD-7

blogasys » OASYS - two old audio demos

MP3 Player SoundClick

MP3 Player SoundClick

MP3 Player SoundClick

http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo2ga.mp3
http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo2kva.mp3
http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo1kva.mp3

http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA..._for_Joe_Z.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/Heaven_320.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...ng_Spirits.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...anternJazz.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...es%20SW1,2.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...%20VJS,Kn6.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...t%20Parade.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...d_Screamer.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...unrise_Pad.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...lation_Pad.mp3
http://www.karma-lab.com/Audio/lac-1...paciouspad.mp3

YouTube - V'GER
YouTube - OASYS Ultimate!
YouTube - In the presence of The OASYS pt1

So you can see and hear that the Oasys can do different Styles.

IS the Oasys worth it?

YES!!!

Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #152
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibbon ➡️
I'd rather buy a Fairlight, Synclavier, Mellotron, Moog Modular, or even a Glass Harmonica before i'd buy an Oasis. Shit, even a Doepfer modular system that you can drop 8 grand on would be better.

I'm not sure if Korg has made decent stuff IMHO since they dropped all of their CV stuff.
Buy it if you have a problem with other things....
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #153
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What are you babbling about? Time proved my points

Quote:
Originally Posted by tapo200 ➡️
Dirty halo has no real argument ,he argue in a dogmatic/idiologic way.

When he say that the Oasys cannot do the same like a Moog or so,so i can turn the direction and say, there a many things on the Oasys
there are not possible with the Moog.When you create a
Program with 2 AL-1 slots and control many parameters with the vectorstick the results are not possible on the Moog Voyager because
its monophone and it has not so many features.It is easy for the Oasys to reproduce a analog sound style the different between a real analog is not so big as the limitation with an real analog synth you have(less features,less voices,problems to become spare parts when the old electronic broken..).And the VA egines of the Oasys are not so bandlimited like MOSS or another older VA,you have less aliasing as in
the Acces Virus.

And in the analog world there are differents between instruments too.You cannot create Moogsound with an OB 8 because Toms envelopes are not so fast,but in the synth engine of the Oasys you can make your choice
to switch between linear or exponentiell or to modulate the envelope like here OASYS - Program Mode

The plucked string Modell STR-1 was not made only to simulate a guitar
so you can create more synthetic sounds like here
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/Waterphone.mp3
http://www.tastenwelt.de/fileadmin/u...str1_synth.mp3

The Korg Demos are only scratch on the surface when you take time for the programming you can create more impressive sounds.So the live playing with real loudspeakers are an another world.

Many people have not the money and the place to buy a huge synth farm,so the Oasys is the ideal instrument to concentrate many things
in one.My only beef with the Oasys is the mainsequencer ,some things here are uncomfortable and not up to date and the missing Formant-shaper in the Mod-7 FM engine like in Yamaha's FS1R.But these things can be updated,lets see what happend in the future.

Yes, VST-plug in's like Reactor or Absynth 4 has more features,but the soundquality is not so good and you have less voices and more latency.
The Oasys is running with optimized software,you have more
freeroom for effects,voices and HD-recording as in a PC that is the
fact.The Oasys is 3 years old and the soundquality is the best on the
digital market.

Examples?

KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer
KLVideoPlayer

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/tunis.mp3
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/prayer.mp3
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/rcmusic/eworld.mp3
http://www.petermmahr.com/blog/audio/2k7-RC_remix.mp3
http://perso.orange.fr/rcmusic/Mix%20RCMUSIC.mp3

blogasys » guess what… another MOD-7 audio demo

blogasys » TX-816 vs. MOD-7

blogasys » OASYS - two old audio demos

MP3 Player SoundClick

MP3 Player SoundClick

MP3 Player SoundClick

http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo2ga.mp3
http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo2kva.mp3
http://www.karo-sounds.com/web/mp3/Demo1kva.mp3

http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA..._for_Joe_Z.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/Heaven_320.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...ng_Spirits.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...anternJazz.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...es%20SW1,2.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...%20VJS,Kn6.mp3
http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/OA...t%20Parade.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...d_Screamer.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...unrise_Pad.mp3
http://www.korg-datastorage.jp/Demo/...lation_Pad.mp3
http://www.karma-lab.com/Audio/lac-1...paciouspad.mp3

YouTube - V'GER
YouTube - OASYS Ultimate!
YouTube - In the presence of The OASYS pt1

So you can see and hear that the Oasys can do different Styles.

IS the Oasys worth it?

YES!!!
1. You are responding to a thread and post that is over a year old

2. The irony is, my point has now been proven over time. The Oasis DID NOT hold its value and did NOT beocme THE end all be all synth, they DID end up having to take its parts into cheaper synths... one of the many points I was making and is now proven by fact.

3. Sounds like you just bought one and are tyring to make yourself feel better about your purchase (and like you didn't really read most of my posts or reasoning, bad summary on your part)

4. My posts aren't dogmatic, just practical. I have the means to buy an Oasis... just don't see the logic. It's an overpriced workstation (in an age where workstations are a thing of the past given the power of any DAW). There are cool parts about it... which ended up showing up in cheaper synths, as I predicted.

Funny, totally forgot about this tired old thread, but you bring it's silliness back to the public... enjoy your purchase (hope you didn't pay full price... again, as I predicted, they didn't hold their value).

(If this comes off as "dogmatic" or harsh, sorry, just telling it like I see it... I understand why that might be hard for you to hear)

-a
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Duardo ➡️
I'm just curious as to how many of the "no way is it worth the money" people have actually heard (or, better yet, used) they keyboard? I thought Korg was on crack when they announced it myself, but it seems like there are quite a few people who are very impressed with the thing. I've heard it and thought it sounded great, but I'm not enough of a keyboardist to really judge its worth for myself...or maybe I should say that for what I do no keyboard would be worth $8500 to me. I'm more curious than anything as to how many people are saying it's not worth the priced based on experience as opposed to specs and features and experience with previous Korg products.

-Duardo


It's not worth it if you can't afford it, and if you have to take out a loan for something, you can't afford it. Why would you finance anything that depreciates, anyway? It shows a lack of judgement and financial common sense. It's not "cool," or "slutty," it's the childish behaviour that will have you eating dog food when you are 70 years old.

Especially for a single piece of gear.. with one function.. like a keyboard.
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #155
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
1. You are responding to a thread and post that is over a year old

2. The irony is, my point has now been proven over time. The Oasis DID NOT hold its value and did NOT beocme THE end all be all synth, they DID end up having to take its parts into cheaper synths... one of the many points I was making and is now proven by fact.

3. Sounds like you just bought one and are tyring to make yourself feel better about your purchase (and like you didn't really read most of my posts or reasoning, bad summary on your part)

4. My posts aren't dogmatic, just practical. I have the means to buy an Oasis... just don't see the logic. It's an overpriced workstation (in an age where workstations are a thing of the past given the power of any DAW). There are cool parts about it... which ended up showing up in cheaper synths, as I predicted.

Funny, totally forgot about this tired old thread, but you bring it's silliness back to the public... enjoy your purchase (hope you didn't pay full price... again, as I predicted, they didn't hold their value).

(If this comes off as "dogmatic" or harsh, sorry, just telling it like I see it... I understand why that might be hard for you to hear)

-a
1.Nobody has say that the Oasys sets standards for 20 years ,but his time it is the best performance synth in the digital area,it has a good
aspect ratio between features,sound and gameplay.

2.Yes,the Oasys is not a sales runner like the M1 but this say's nothing
about his quality.

3.The Oasys has more features than most analog synth's and better soundquality as actually VST Plugins.My PC is fully stretched
when i run Absynth 4 with additional effects i had only 10 voices,is this revolutionary??The Legacycollection in the Oasys has also more
features as the PC-Version in point of Modulations and the number
of Voices,Lfo's,Envelopes(the additional Envelopes and Lfo's are the same as in the AL-1) plus the Step-Sequencer.

4.Gameplayfun with Karma,to jam with a band in an box,to fire on
a Orchester with only one button,and it runs tight without any note-hang on's.Karma creates not only melody,drum and accord grooves,also you can control effects and programmparameters with Karma like a modsequencer.With the new Karmasoftware you can
create you own modules,

KARMA Oasys

"Complete access to the 400+ parameters making up a KARMA GE (Generated Effect). These parameters are mostly hidden in the OASYS with a maximum of 32 being available (per GE), but you can view and edit all of them using the software, along with the Performance parameters associated with each KARMA Module. Graphical editing and creation of Drum Patterns, Rhythm Patterns, Duration Patterns, Index Patterns, Cluster Patterns, Velocity Patterns, CC Patterns, Wave-Sequence Patterns, Envelopes, Note Maps, and more!Create new GEs, and edit existing GEs into new configurations. Download the GEs to the OASYS via MIDI SysEx Dump, or via export to a .KGE file"

5.The Oasys is not a simpel Keyboard or a Workstation it has 7 different Synthengines with different capabilities + 2Gb Sampleram.The Filters of LAC-1 are not the same as in the AL-1,so you can create Sounds with different Filtertypes.You can also use the AL-1 Multimodefilters as a Inserteffect.The routing of the Effectsection is very flexible.

6.The Oasys has not reached his end,there are enough room for
new Synthegines and Ideas.

7.Maybe you are right when you say from your standpoint that the Oasys is overpriced,so what do you think is the right price??
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #156
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Yep, keep telling yourself that, the pain will end eventually...

Quote:
Originally Posted by tapo200 ➡️
1.Nobody has say that the Oasys sets standards for 20 years ,but his time it is the best performance synth in the digital area,it has a good
aspect ratio between features,sound and gameplay.

2.Yes,the Oasys is not a sales runner like the M1 but this say's nothing
about his quality.

3.The Oasys has more features than most analog synth's and better soundquality as actually VST Plugins.My PC is fully stretched
when i run Absynth 4 with additional effects i had only 10 voices,is this revolutionary??The Legacycollection in the Oasys has also more
features as the PC-Version in point of Modulations and the number
of Voices,Lfo's,Envelopes(the additional Envelopes and Lfo's are the same as in the AL-1) plus the Step-Sequencer.

4.Gameplayfun with Karma,to jam with a band in an box,to fire on
a Orchester with only one button,and it runs tight without any note-hang on's.Karma creates not only melody,drum and accord grooves,also you can control effects and programmparameters with Karma like a modsequencer.With the new Karmasoftware you can
create you own modules,

KARMA Oasys

"Complete access to the 400+ parameters making up a KARMA GE (Generated Effect). These parameters are mostly hidden in the OASYS with a maximum of 32 being available (per GE), but you can view and edit all of them using the software, along with the Performance parameters associated with each KARMA Module. Graphical editing and creation of Drum Patterns, Rhythm Patterns, Duration Patterns, Index Patterns, Cluster Patterns, Velocity Patterns, CC Patterns, Wave-Sequence Patterns, Envelopes, Note Maps, and more!Create new GEs, and edit existing GEs into new configurations. Download the GEs to the OASYS via MIDI SysEx Dump, or via export to a .KGE file"

5.The Oasys is not a simpel Keyboard or a Workstation it has 7 different Synthengines with different capabilities + 2Gb Sampleram.The Filters of LAC-1 are not the same as in the AL-1,so you can create Sounds with different Filtertypes.You can also use the AL-1 Multimodefilters as a Inserteffect.The routing of the Effectsection is very flexible.

6.The Oasys has not reached his end,there are enough room for
new Synthegines and Ideas.

7.Maybe you are right when you say from your standpoint that the Oasys is overpriced,so what do you think is the right price??
Yep, keep telling yourself it's going to be ok. The pain of whatever you spent on this thing will hurt a little less each day.

What would I pay for it? 0

I'd buy the Radius & R3 or whatever the new Korgs are now. Those are just the best features of teh Oasis brought down to a useable size and package.

Sorry you feel so strong about your Oasis, guess I would too if I spent that much... now, if it also made coffee, THEN we're talking (Can't believe they left that ONE feature out )

-a
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
2. The irony is, my point has now been proven over time. The Oasis DID NOT hold its value
MAP at release time, 2.5 years ago: $8,500 88-key, $8,000 76-key
MAP now: $8,500 and $7,500, respectively

Almost no change. Fairly unusual for a synth, especially a digital one.

As one of the team who develops the synth, I've been happy to see its reputation continue to improve, as the shock of the price wore off and more people had a chance to listen to it, and as more capabilities and synth models have been added.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
they DID end up having to take its parts into cheaper synths...
Part of the point of doing R&D for a flagship is to be able to use the technology elsewhere. That's always the plan. The more surprising thing might be how little of the OASYS technology is currently available elsewhere in undiluted form. The two synths which do have a little of it are the M3 and the RADIAS (and its little brother the R3).

The M3 is based on an ASIC which had been in development since before we started the OASYS (product cycles are *long* in the MI market!). The OASYS PCM playback synth, the HD-1, was initially based on this design; we then built up from there.

In comparison to the M3, the OASYS HD-1 has improved sample playback interpolation (= better sound at greater transposition), wave sequencing, per-voice vector synthesis, faster and smoother envelopes, lfos, and modulation (updates every 32 samples, then smoothed at the audio rate), true lossless compression for sample data, etc.

Various OASYS features made it back into the M3, such as many of the nuts-and-bolts spec decisions, the AMS mixers (which provide processing for modulation signals), and some of the basic Program voicing.

The RADIAS is a very different synth (from one of my favorite development groups at Korg in Japan; they do wacky stuff, and the main designer may be the sweetest synth-fan I've ever met). One of the many RADIAS oscillators uses a portion of the VA oscillator technology from the OASYS AL-1, but without the AL-1's low-aliasing oscillator sync.

- Dan
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
  #158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
Yep, keep telling yourself it's going to be ok. The pain of whatever you spent on this thing will hurt a little less each day.

What would I pay for it? 0

I'd buy the Radius & R3 or whatever the new Korgs are now. Those are just the best features of teh Oasis brought down to a useable size and package.

Sorry you feel so strong about your Oasis, guess I would too if I spent that much... now, if it also made coffee, THEN we're talking (Can't believe they left that ONE feature out )

-a
One question,have you play with the Oasys in realtime that you can
make a serios statement about it?
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
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The answer to the question is simple.

If you can afford it, and you like the features, and it improves your workflow, then buy it. It's not for everyone. But you're an individual, not everyone. I personally would not buy one (no need), but I have demoed one for three hours and can say that's it's damn near amazing. From what I can tell after three hours, it does as advertized.

As a reference, I have a Fantom, V-Synth, and just sold a Wavestation (getting a used rackmount one), and have owned moogs, arps, prophets--you name it, I probably had it. If you like the warm, gooey pads of the Korgs, no synth is its equal. And forget about softsynths--to my ears, they don't cut it.

As Fletcher would say, YMMV.
Old 27th January 2008 | Show parent
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Respoding to a a few posts...

"Holding it's value" isn't referencing what Korg is still trying to get for it... it refers to the fact that on eBay people can't off-load these things for $3000.00 less than the price they paid for.

Dan, you work for Korg, so I understand your need to defend this piece, but I think it is time to listen to people actually making music, the users... If you are a serious musician or producer, you are already working with some sort of DAW... so the only relevant aspects of this synth are the parts now available in the cheaper models I cited.

Yes, I worked with it and that's where my "It's just an expensive workstation that doesn't make sense" statement comes from. And if my posts seem "dogmatic" it is becaue I am tired of waching big corporations NOT listen to what we need while the small boutique shops are out there getting our input and creating future classics.

I guess the Keyma and music creation aspects are really more appealing to the wanna-be musican types who want their gear to make the music for them... maybe that's the market, clearly not me. (As the previous poster said, he loved holding down one-key and having a whole orchestra play... that really says it all and is kinda sad to me)

Again, this is a year old thread that I stopped posting on, but only commented because someone dug it up from the grave.

Hey, my offer still stands... if you want to send it to a real musician in a working studio, I'll try and use it.

-a

P.S. I agree with you on the point, I think the Radius is exciting. I think I'd like to buy one and he R3 is also a possible purchase.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
"Holding it's value" isn't referencing what Korg is still trying to get for it...
MAP is the minimum advertised price. It isn't the minimum price that someone can pay if they try hard, but MAP holding steady for 2.5 years indicates that sales have been sustained as well. So, the negative implication of "still trying to get for it" doesn't seem apt here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
it refers to the fact that on eBay people can't off-load these things for $3000.00 less than the price they paid for.
Typically, I see them for around $5k. Percentage-wise, that seems like a normal discount for used gear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
Dan, you work for Korg, so I understand your need to defend this piece,
A bit more than that, actually; I'm one of the team which designs the OASYS. So, I'm pretty deeply involved in this particular topic!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
but I think it is time to listen to people actually making music, the users...
Already with you on that. :-)

For the past decade and more, I've spent a bunch of my time listening to and conversing with our users on various forums, and frequently get happy feedback about how unusual my level of involvement is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
If you are a serious musician or producer, you are already working with some sort of DAW...so the only relevant aspects of this synth are the parts now available in the cheaper models I cited.
For me, as well, the most important aspects of the OASYS are the sounds (I use DP for sequencing and audio recording/editing/mixing). But, as mentioned above, those sounds aren't available anywhere else. They certainly aren't available, for instance, in the M3, RADIAS, and R3; see my previous post for some details.

Note that the OASYS keeps expanding, as well; it isn't standing still while we release less expensive instruments. The recently-released MOD-7 option is a semi-modular waveshaping/fm/pcm-mangling synth, for instance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Halo ➡️
I guess the Keyma and music creation aspects are really more appealing to the wanna-be musican types who want their gear to make the music for them...

<snip>

Hey, my offer still stands... if you want to send it to a real musician in a working studio, I'll try and use it.
Thanks for the offer! A few of the real musicians who already use OASYS in working studios (and on stage) include Herbie Hancock, Keith Emerson, Greg Phillinganes, Tony Banks, Chuck Leavell, John Paul Jones, Jordan Rudess, and Derek Sherinian. We listen to what they have to say, as well as our many other slightly less-famous professional users, and of course our hobbyist users as well.

Best regards,

Dan
Old 28th January 2008 | Show parent
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Well then, here we go again... let's not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Phillips ➡️
MAP is the minimum advertised price. It isn't the minimum price that someone can pay if they try hard, but MAP holding steady for 2.5 years indicates that sales have been sustained as well. So, the negative implication of "still trying to get for it" doesn't seem apt here.



Typically, I see them for around $5k. Percentage-wise, that seems like a normal discount for used gear.



A bit more than that, actually; I'm one of the team which designs the OASYS. So, I'm pretty deeply involved in this particular topic!



Already with you on that. :-)

For the past decade and more, I've spent a bunch of my time listening to and conversing with our users on various forums, and frequently get happy feedback about how unusual my level of involvement is.



For me, as well, the most important aspects of the OASYS are the sounds (I use DP for sequencing and audio recording/editing/mixing). But, as mentioned above, those sounds aren't available anywhere else. They certainly aren't available, for instance, in the M3, RADIAS, and R3; see my previous post for some details.

Note that the OASYS keeps expanding, as well; it isn't standing still while we release less expensive instruments. The recently-released MOD-7 option is a semi-modular waveshaping/fm/pcm-mangling synth, for instance.



Thanks for the offer! A few of the real musicians who already use OASYS in working studios (and on stage) include Herbie Hancock, Keith Emerson, Greg Phillinganes, Tony Banks, Chuck Leavell, John Paul Jones, Jordan Rudess, and Derek Sherinian. We listen to what they have to say, as well as our many other slightly less-famous professional users, and of course our hobbyist users as well.

Best regards,

Dan
Well, here we ago again. I guess our views are not changing much. It was a tired thread a year ago and even more with someone dragging it back a year later.

I guess I just don't see it. Maybe Tony Banks, Herbie and the likes are loving it. That's great for you... I just don't see it making much sense down here in the trenches. IMO.

Can we put this one to rest now?

-a
Old 28th January 2008 | Show parent
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I own a Oasys 88 and love it.

If you are on a budget I would pass. If $ (within reason) is no object, it is still the most powerful Korg synth, but you have to buy the extra LAC-1 and Mod-7 to use it's full potential. You have pretty much everything Korg ever built in one box and more.

Love the touch screen and that you have unlimited space to store your presets on hard drive or USB stick etc.

Will it revolutionise the way we make music? No.

It's nice to have, but I also wouldn't miss it too much if I can't. But isn't that the case with any synth or plugin these days? You can always use something else, because there is so much out there...
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I remember seeing a fully-loaded Kurzweil advertisement a few years ago priced around $20K. I laughed out loud when I saw that one.
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It's not worth it if you can't afford it, and if you have to take out a loan for something, you can't afford it. Why would you finance anything that depreciates, anyway? It shows a lack of judgement and financial common sense.
This was in response to a post of mine from way back as well, but still...

What you're saying is not true in every case. If you're running a business, and you figure something will be able to make you money, then in makes perfect sense to finance it. Studios finance high-end pro audio gear all the time, and it depreciates. Doesn't matter if it depreciates, though, if it makes you money...

People finance cars for that matter as well, though, and they certainly don't hold their value.

If you're buying it for fun, or because music is your passion but not a source of income, and you can't afford it, then yes, I'd agree that it's not worth it...but if you can afford it, then it's up to you whether it's worth it or not. And it doesn't matter how it depreciates if you're not planning on selling it.

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And if my posts seem "dogmatic" it is becaue I am tired of waching big corporations NOT listen to what we need while the small boutique shops are out there getting our input and creating future classics.
Isn't Korg listening, though? Didn't you say that you think the Radius and the R3 are exciting? And don't you think the M3 is more along the lines of what the majority of the marketplace is looking for in a workstation?

Or do you think that the very presence of the Oasys in Korg's lineup is offensive to the "common musician"? It certainly seems to upset you.

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Well, here we ago again. I guess our views are not changing much. It was a tired thread a year ago and even more with someone dragging it back a year later.
Yeah, except for now we have more perspective and while you're still not convinced that the keyboard is right for you...and I don't think Dan or anyone ever expects you to change your mind on that...it's fairly clear that the product has been successful for Korg and that people are buying it...
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What PR report have you been smoking?

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Yeah, except for now we have more perspective and while you're still not convinced that the keyboard is right for you...and I don't think Dan or anyone ever expects you to change your mind on that...it's fairly clear that the product has been successful for Korg and that people are buying it...
Really? Don't know what numbers you've been reading or who at Korg PR you've been talking to, but I don't think it was even close to a "success."

If it's so clear that it has been successful for Korg, would you mind sharing the source for that assertion?

Who IS buying this? What kind of people and why?

(Other than the few defensive owners and Korg employee on this one year old thread, I don't hear much about this bloated workstation at all anywhere... do a serach on Oasis, then try one for a Pacifica, an Apogee or most any other gear)
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Really? Don't know what numbers you've been reading or who at Korg PR you've been talking to, but I don't think it was even close to a "success."

If it's so clear that it has been successful for Korg, would you mind sharing the source for that assertion?
As one data point, see my comments about MAP holding steady for 2.5 years, above. Products which are not successful typically see substantial price reductions or other sales incentives long before that point.

See also an earlier post in this thread, from Vermeer:
https://gearspace.com/board/646809-post21.html

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Who IS buying this? What kind of people and why?
My impression is that our users are pretty similar to those for the previous synths I've worked on: players, producers, songwriters, film/tv composers, studios, and higher-end hobbyists.

A good part of "why" is probably the sound; for some technical details about why that might be, see some of my previous posts in this thread: https://gearspace.com/board/701604-post71.html
https://gearspace.com/board/744497-post109.html

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(Other than the few defensive owners and Korg employee on this one year old thread, I don't hear much about this bloated workstation at all anywhere... do a serach on Oasis, then try one for a Pacifica, an Apogee or most any other gear)
Searching in Google for the correct spelling, Korg OASYS, returns 352,000 hits.

Over 20,000 posts in the OASYS forum here:
Korg Forums :: View Forum - Korg Oasys

And something like 13,000 posts in the OASYS sections here:
Karma Lab Forums

Best regards,

Dan
Old 30th January 2008 | Show parent
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No offense to Korg, but I just didn't like it. Walked into guitarcenter to pick up some stuff, I saw it, and I was like, o hey! Thats the expensive thing! I walked over to it, started flipping through presets, and omg, it was just... ahh... I don't know, checked the keyboard amp, the amp was normal, nothing good or bad, non-eqed, it sounded very HIGH on all the presets and blahhh!

It could be a good product, but the way it was marketed was just unbelievably bad, atleast, to me. Turn over to the Motif thats plugged in on the same amp and wow, the piano on that sounded pretty beautiful. I don't think you can justify the cost with the fact that you can get so many real instruments for that cost... and a Motif is a great alternative.
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Uh, not so much.

Try this forum...

My ultimate poit is, while this workstation may have its users, I don't see it's relevane here, where most of us have DAW that are more fully equiped, a greater variety of pres, better converters, samplers and so on.

So... in all the other orums you site, are the users a differemt kind of person you find here at Gearslutz?

Maybe the reason I struggle so much understanding the value of the Oasys is that it is simply not ade made for me or most of the people on this forum. Fair enough.

-a
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Try this forum...

My ultimate poit is, while this workstation may have its users, I don't see it's relevane here, where most of us have DAW that are more fully equiped, a greater variety of pres, better converters, samplers and so on.

So... in all the other orums you site, are the users a differemt kind of person you find here at Gearslutz?

Maybe the reason I struggle so much understanding the value of the Oasys is that it is simply not ade made for me or most of the people on this forum. Fair enough.

-a
So far, three OASYS owners have responded to this thread, as well as others who have said they liked it. So, it would appear that some people on Gearslutz belong to the audience. But, I'm not aware of this being a heavily keyboard-oriented site.

Re DAWs, I'm confused as to your point. I *think* you're meaning "if I have a DAW, why would I have a workstation?" IIRC, this point has been addressed before, so it might be useful to look back through the thread. To summarize: from my own perspective as a DAW user, OASYS is a very flexible, very high-quality synth which happens to also have a sequencer and an HDR. The sequencer and HDR don't make it not a synth. As a corollary, I see a lot of Tritons in DAW studios, too - and of course they do sequencing and audio recording as well.

- Dan
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BTW, I think you've made it pretty clear that the OASYS is not for you, and I'm not trying to say otherwise.

- Dan
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Really? Don't know what numbers you've been reading or who at Korg PR you've been talking to, but I don't think it was even close to a "success."

If it's so clear that it has been successful for Korg, would you mind sharing the source for that assertion?
I don't have access to any numbers and haven't been speaking with anyone at Korg PR. But as Dan has already pointed out, the keyboard wouldn't be selling new for the same price as it was when it was released, and they wouldn't keep on introducing updates, etc, if people weren't buying it. Again, I haven't spoken with anyone at Korg, but they're already offering rebates on the M3...I don't recall seeing those on the Oasys, although I really haven't been paying close attention.

And why don't you believe Dan when he says the product has been successful?
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My brother just bought an Oasys and he feels a trifle misled! He was hoping for an all in one workstation that would improve his and our workflow! we are a songwriting/production team and the idea was that I could give him audio files which he could import into his sequencer and we could transfer stuff between our two systems(I have a computer based set up) anyway after much reading of manual and about a month of ****ing around and going back to place we bought it, where the slaesman who sold it to us( and is an experienced Korg user) couldn't get an audio file into the sequencer, he's a little pissed. To be honest I also think editing in the sequencer looks like a real headache since there is no piano roll editor. Also there is no USB connection to a computer unlike the M3 what's going on there? we had to go and buy a seperate midi interface. I mean ok sounds great but it's such a headache to get it to do the simplest of things. Extremely dissapointed with this beast!
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My brother just bought an Oasys and he feels a trifle misled! He was hoping for an all in one workstation that would improve his and our workflow! we are a songwriting/production team and the idea was that I could give him audio files which he could import into his sequencer and we could transfer stuff between our two systems(I have a computer based set up) anyway after much reading of manual and about a month of ****ing around and going back to place we bought it, where the slaesman who sold it to us( and is an experienced Korg user) couldn't get an audio file into the sequencer, he's a little pissed. To be honest I also think editing in the sequencer looks like a real headache since there is no piano roll editor. Also there is no USB connection to a computer unlike the M3 what's going on there? we had to go and buy a seperate midi interface. I mean ok sounds great but it's such a headache to get it to do the simplest of things. Extremely dissapointed with this beast!
I'm really sorry to hear that. It sounds to me like the salesman who sold your brother the OASYS didn't understand your needs. For a songwriting/production team, I think most people would recommend that you both use the same sequencer/DAW platform for optimum file interchange. Even standard interchange formats such as OMF have their share of limitations (though support for OMF is on my long-term wishlist for the OASYS).

That said, importing and exporting audio files in and out of the sequencer is pretty straightforward, although you'll need to make sure you're using the supported file types and sample rate. Also, importing a *lot* of files would be tedious. If you need assistance with audio file import/export, I'd suggest giving Korg UK's tech support a call.

My personal setup includes a computer-based DAW and various outboard synths and effects processors, including the OASYS. If your brother wants to use the OASYS sounds, I'd suggest going that route. If you were only getting the OASYS for sequencing and audio recording, and weren't interested in the sounds, then I'll be heretical and suggest that he send it back to the store, get a computer setup like yours, and go from there.

Best regards,

Dan
Old 1st February 2008 | Show parent
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The Oasys is also very flexible to work together with other synth's.

What happend when you combine Korg MS2000 with Oasys can you see and hear here from Tom Noize voice

YouTube - Tom Noize - Live at Discoparade

The Official Tom Noize Website - Guestbook

"Hi!
Thanks for visiting my site! Actually there's only one synth sound in "Get a rush", and it's coming from the MS2000B, but it's running thru the big O's effects: There's some compression before and after a delayed reverb. After all it's sidechained with the bassdrum. So I say it's the MS, but the "sound" is coming from both."


Ps.:But sure Korg sound is thin,hahaha....
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And why don't you believe Dan when he says the product has been successful?
Oh, because he works for Korg.

And as for retail sales price staying the same, that is not an indicator of strength... it could simply be made in low numbers to keep a high standing, then sell of its technology at lower priced items (people getting rid of them and NOT being able to get close to what they paid is a bett indicator, in fact $3000.00+ less than what they paid, jsut the difference could buy you a tone of GREAT lower cost Korg Keys with the same echnology, something to consider). So, selling their top-tier product at top price for prestige regardless of success of lack, while selling cheaper keys with the same tehnology at affordable prices could be a strategy...

Wait, that's what they ARE doing. Hmmm...

Lastly, three happy users doesn't make for an ?overhwelming success," just read the ""Disappointed user post from some only a few posts ago.

So why am I bother on this thread?

I like many Korg products, I wish they could focus their efforts on better keyboards for us.

-andrews
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And as for retail sales price staying the same, that is not an indicator of strength... it could simply be made in low numbers to keep a high standing,
That works with diamonds, but I don't think I've ever heard of it in the synth business. With synths, you sell as many as you can.

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then sell of its technology at lower priced items (people getting rid of them and NOT being able to get close to what they paid is a bett indicator, in fact $3000.00+ less than what they paid,
You've brought this up several time before. As others have pointed out, what you're describing seems like a typical reduction in selling price for used tech gear.

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jsut the difference could buy you a tone of GREAT lower cost Korg Keys with the same echnology, something to consider). So, selling their top-tier product at top price for prestige regardless of success of lack, while selling cheaper keys with the same tehnology at affordable prices could be a strategy...

Wait, that's what they ARE doing. Hmmm...
"Cheaper keys with the same technology?" Given that we've already discussed this, I'm surprised to see you write it again.

A few Korg products have small parts of the OASYS technology and functionality, but most of it remains unique to the OASYS. This is due in no small part to the fact that under the hood, in both hardware and software, the OASYS is very different from all other Korg synths. See earlier posts for a few more details on both what *has* trickled down, and what hasn't. If you have any specific technical questions about this, I'll be glad to answer them to the best of my ability.

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So why am I bother on this thread?

I like many Korg products, I wish they could focus their efforts on better keyboards for us.
If you or anyone else has specific comments on our instruments, or on what you'd like to see us build, I'm always interested to hear them. Unfortunately, most of your comments in this thread have not seemed particularly constructive.

- Dan
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Hi Dan,
I'm a Radius owner (and I love that synth! .. incredibly powerful
and easy to use). What I'd like to see is some of the voicing modules
of the Oasys to be brought out as standalone add-ons. Many of the
things the Oasys does (sequencing, sampling, etc.) I have other
(and more familiar) solutions for in the studio. If I was looking for a
complete DAW solution, the Oasys would be a top runner .. but .. I'm
not .. I love my Protools and Structure and Reason and .. you get the
picture.
Would I would dearly love to have is more of the voicing modules being
available to me... then I would be a very happy camper.

jeff
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Time is a funny thing...

https://gearspace.com/board/rap-hip-...392-oasys.html

-andrews
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Some other links:
Korg Forums OASYS section
KARMA labs OASYS forum
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