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Jules - Masterlink qestion - Help!
Old 29th August 2002
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Jules - Masterlink qestion - Help!

Good day Jules,

I have been trying with my Masterlink to send Hard Drive material to an HHB-8oo CDR recorder. I have tried both AES and Coaxial outs from Masterlink to the ins of the HHB, but with no results!

I also tried the same setup with the on board CD player and got the same.

What, Jules, am I doing wrong?
Old 29th August 2002
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Are you there Jules?

Can any one help me with this problem?
Old 29th August 2002
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Hey Mad John,

So the HHB is set for digital input (AES, whatever), you record enable it, play from the masterlink, but get no level on the HHB? Hmmm...can't think of what it could be, other than a setting on the HHB. The ML just plays out of it's digital out always.

Is the material on the Masterlink at 48k?

R
Old 30th August 2002
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Yes 48k or another non 44.1k sample rate may be your problem as Randy points out well.

Old 30th August 2002
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Thanks Randy!

Yeah I have been in 88.1, but Jules, you told me that a while ago and I have been in that ever since.

What is the ultimate set up for mixing? (sample rate/and bit wise)

When eventuwally it ends up 44.1k at 16 bits.

I know this is an old qestion, but I need some refreshing.
Old 30th August 2002
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Wait a minute........now I can't get the sample rate out of 88.2!

Only moves in analog. When I change it to digital the rate is locked on 88.2!

Whats up?
Old 30th August 2002
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To make a CDR why not just press the red book button and burn it on the masterlink?
Old 30th August 2002
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I had forgotten about the Finalizer, which is in my chain after board but before the Masterlink!!!

In the past 4 months I have not paid much attention to the set up, as it has remained where it was placed some time ago. Jules had said with my set up that the best configuration was 24 bit/88.2k sample rate.

That sample rate did not allow the digital outs of the Masterlink to be audible. It took me a while to understand the set up again.

I erraced the entire output of mixed material because there were too many songs in a particular list, so I couldn't "dump" them on the Masterlinks on board CDR!

What can you do when the playlist exceeds the 74 minute curfew?

Just for the record I remembered the locked clock of the Finalizer and then got the wanted 44.1k sample rate back on the Masterlink (of course!)

Am I correct in assumeing that if you are comming from an analog source (tape machine and board) that one is better off in 44.1 and just utlilizeing the 24 bits? That is where I am now, after 4 months in 88.2k.

I apreciate the help very very much!
Old 30th August 2002
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hmmm have you got the Finalizer 96k?

It can live sample rate convert - this may be very handy for you in this situation.
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Absolutly! But I need to know if I am alright in going ahead with the 44.1 configuration and leaveing that set up "permenant" for all mixes.

Does this sound correct?
Old 31st August 2002
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One last qestion on this:

Am I looseing much audio quality by going down to 44.1?

Am I better off with a higher sample rate, or is standard 44.1 more ideal because you dont have to convert?

Thanks!
Old 1st September 2002
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Masterlink qestion #4:

Now that I am recording in 44.1, I still can't get the ML to register it's digital coxial to DAT or HHB!

Is it not possible to take any hard drive material and send it to another source than the Masterlink?

I am also still battleing the concept of sample rate conversion!

On one hand, I want the highest quality before 44.1 CDR.

On the other, I want to be able to send material from the Masterlink with out haveing to "dump" to the on board CDR.

What could I be missing, I can't send material from ML to any other source.....this can'y be right! tut
Old 2nd September 2002
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If you are not getting signal, check your cables. Even though some units have what seem to be spdif inputs(rca jacks) these are really optical ins. A lot of the consumer products are set up this way. The HHB and Dat maybe setup like this. The Masterklink will always dump digital out(either Aes or Spdif). As to your other question, I think Jules works like i do, as in he converts his mix to analog and compresses it before it hits the Masterlink(is this correct Jules?) So if you are doing this, than yeah it makes sense to get the best conversion happening, so you get the best representation of your mix. If you are working strictly in the digital domain, than my suggestion would be to keep it at 24bits/44.1k. Unless you are using HD, than you can do 88.2k but with not many tracks or plugs.
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Thethrillfactor, thank you for the advice! Let me get thi s staight.

I am useing all analog tape sources and board. I believe that a higher sample rate for mixing would be better! Why 88.2 and not 96k?

Also, are you saying that there is no way to get a digital out unless the aes out of the Masterlink is used? Plus the fact that if you are out of the 44.1 sample rate, you are probably not going to get any signal out of the Masterlinks digital outs!

I know the machine is simple and a great joy for many! I just erraced 3 hours of mixes that took 3 months, because I misunderstood the term "format!" Formating did not mean to me erraceing, now I know!

This sample rate stuff is driveing me batty! I simply want the best quality I can offer my mixes, so I should like to know what the real differences are with each of the sample rates.

I know that they work much like analog tape speeds do.

Sorry for all the confussion on my part. I am a bit of a mess with this stuff, it far surpasses my abilities to calculate and compute!
Old 3rd September 2002
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Hmmm there are several issues here.

The best quality possible - with your gear that is 96k 24 bit

You could take that to mastering and they should be very happy (you might have to take your machine if they dont have one)

But to make listening copies just press the "Red Book" CD creation buttons.

Tell us more about the final destination for the mixes... will it be a mastering studio? Which one? Where?

Most favor running the best quality mixes - in analog - via their analog mastering gear... Then re-capturing that at 44.1k for final Red Book CD creation.

Sample rate converting from high rates (96 82.2) to the CD rate (44.1) DIGITALLY is a more complex matter, one I am not qualified to comment too much on.. But ONE theory is that a jump from 88.2 to 44.1 can sound better than a jump from 96k to 44.1.. Which is probably why I recomended it to you way back when....

You should be making CD24 (not Red Book) BACKUPS of your mixes! 50c for per back up is affordable!

Favorite is to liase with the mastering studio you intend to use (making sure they are up for the high sample rate challenge of your 96k 24 bit Masterlink, if not reject them)

I am sorry to see you struggling a bit with the new technology, I dont find it so easy using the Masterlink myself either, if that is any comfort!

Old 3rd September 2002
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Jules,

Thank you! Your kind words and support are much apreciated. I believe that perhaps utilizing the 88.2k sample rate would be the most sound and I must include that from mixing the other day in 44.1k, I seem to of detected a difference in audio quality. The mixes sounded "lower fi!"

My mastering, I am afraid will all be done at my studio, so I must concern myself with as much forward knowledge in this area as is possible.

Have you had difficulty with playlist that exceed the 74 minute mark? I have not been able to transfer material yet, nor dump a playlist that had surpassed the CDR time limit.

I can't thank you enough for being patient with me and also shareing the fact that the Masterlink has some curves to it indeed!

Tommorow I shall wipe out the 2 mixes I have in 44.1k and convert to 88.2k and leave it there. How does that sound?
Old 4th September 2002
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Sorry if I'm butting in, however I have been playing around with my Masterlink recently and thought I'd throw in my two cents.

The only way to archive off a large (>20min or so) chunk of audio at high resolution (ie 24/88.1 or 24/96) is to break the playlist up into two (or more) playlists just for the purpose of archiving. It is a pain, but it does work. The new (version 2.0 or higher) software will tell you at which track you will run out of room on the CD-R. The update is available on Alesis' website.

Hope this helps.

Eric
Old 5th September 2002
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Thanks, that does help! I have the same version and the Masterlink did tell me which track it could go to, but what then?

In other words, how do you seperate playlists?
Old 5th September 2002
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You need go to a blank playlist and, in edit playlist mode, scroll over to the audio files and move the ones you want to archive into the new playlist using track move. Add in the files that will fit on a CD-R and then make another playlist for the remainder.

Again hope this helps.

Eric
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Eric, thanks a million!
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