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Forget mnixing - The ultimate tracking outboard?
Old 22nd August 2002
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Forget mixing for a second - The ultimate tracking outboard?

What I am lead to thinking when some new 'must have' item "X" comes along is, along these lines...

"All I need is "X" and my life will be complete, throw out the other stuff and just use "X"

For tracking & overdubbing, say you can embrace the trad route, no (or little) eq usage on tracking...

how about this?

2 x Cranesong Spiders
1 x Viper
2 x Neve 1272 pre's
2 x API pre's

Bunch-a mic's

usual suspect compressors

High track count 96k DAW (Native fine with new low latency emerging) with AES only intefaces
Some sort of "controller unit" with faders

Monitors

What could be better?

EQ & mix it all in the DAW at your lesiure or send it to Andy Wallace!



Dives you crazy dont it?

heh

As Jon said, it's good to dream!
Old 22nd August 2002
  #2
jon
Capitol Studios Paris
 
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Don't forget converters...

Q: Can one 'submix' tracks on the Spider, with EQ? Say, 4 toms to stereo, or 3 kick mics to one track, or 4 git mics (2 mics x 2 amps) to one, etc.

P.S. If Andy Wallace isn't an option, send it to me!

Old 22nd August 2002
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Lives for gear
 
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Quote:
Originally posted by jon
P.S. If Andy Wallace isn't an option, send it to me!
Sidenote: Andy Wallace's first shot at an SSL 9000J was the Korn record. And even though the verb was a big much, the Korn mixes blew the previous mixes the **** away (that I heard at another studio anyway).

Since this is one of those "dream" topics, how about, 6 Gennex MO recorders as the tape machines... The other gear, of course, would seem to vary as to what style of music I'm doing.
Old 22nd August 2002
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Old 22nd August 2002
  #5
Gear Maniac
 
🎧 15 years
"1 x Viper
2 x Neve 1272 pre's
2 x API pre's"

these are all on my future purchase list...the spider would be if I had the dough but for now these should do...

oh yeh and Add the RNP

Old 22nd August 2002
  #6
Don't forget converters...

- Jon the Spider IS a converter (10 ch if you include the mix bus I think) / mic pre / tape sim / mixer. AES & Lightpipe out

Q: Can one 'submix' tracks on the Spider, with EQ? Say, 4 toms to stereo, or 3 kick mics to one track, or 4 git mics (2 mics x 2 amps) to one, etc.

A: yes

It does all but make the coffee in the morning!

heh
Old 23rd August 2002
  #7
One with big hooves
 
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🎧 15 years
Tracking outboard... this isn't too hard. Expensive though...

Preamps & EQ
API x 4
Neve 1064 x 4
Helios brown modules x 4
Telefunken V72's x 2
Langevin AM16 x 4
Hardy M1 x 4
Tube Tech dual channel pre x 1
Avalon 737 x 1
Pultec EQP x 2
GML 8200 x 1
Daking x 2 (for the EQ)
Pultec Mid EQ x 1
Speck ASC x 4

Compressors
RCA BA-6A x 2
Pye x 2
1176/Purple MC76 x 3
LA-2a x 1
dbx 160VU x 2
Distressor x 3
Crane Song STC-8 x 1
Alan Smart x 1 (the dual mono)
Manley El-Op x 1
Tube Tech LCA-2a x 1
Fairchild 660 x 2
RNC x 3 or Aphex 651 Expressor x 4

Mics
U87 x 3
U67 x 2
Soundelux E47 x 2
Soundelux U195 x 2
Blue Baby Bottle x 3
Blue Bottle x 1 (with a few capsules)
C12 x 2
RCA 77DX x 2
Royer R-121 x 4
SM57 x 6
Earthworks TC30 x 2
421 x 6
441 x 2
451 CK1 x 3
KM184 x 2
SM58 x 2
RE-20 x 2
D112 x 1
Beta 52 x 2
Beta 87 x 2
414BULS x 2

Misc.
Some cool 32 input console
Studer A800 2" 24
Drawmer DS201 x 1
Lexicon 300
TC M2000
old delay like a Korg SDD-2000 or Roland
And someone to pay for it all!
Old 23rd August 2002
  #8
Lives for gear
 
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🎧 15 years
I'm saving Jay's list for when I win the lottery.
Old 23rd August 2002
  #9
Kev
Gear Nut
 
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🎧 15 years
Yeah ... me too,

I just bought two tickets.
It's a jackpot night and i want it all to myself heh
Old 24th August 2002
  #10
One with big hooves
 
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🎧 15 years
Hey, I'm saving that list for when I win the lottery too. In the meantime I'm slowly chipping away at it.
Old 25th August 2002
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Warning...SMART ASS ALERT...SMART ASS ALERT...SMART ASS ALERT...SMART ASS ALERT

The ultimate tracking gear:



Good Musicians



Had this been a real answer you would have been informed where to find a bunch of cool gear we all lust after.
Old 25th August 2002
  #12
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You'd better add great songwriters and great arrangers to great musicians and great instruments.

I really hate to think about how much people are spending on gear when what they are dissatisfied with is one or more of the above. At times I think the gear business has turned into an ugly cross between song sharking and drug dealing preying on peoples' insecurities.
Old 25th August 2002
  #13
jon
Capitol Studios Paris
 
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🎧 15 years
What is rare is when it all comes together: tremendously talented people working toward a result they all feel and want (really vital but pretty uncommon), the songs, the budget (i.e. the time), the right space, the instruments, the amps, the console, the monitors, the mics, the outboard. Oh, and the food.
Old 26th August 2002
  #14
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🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
You'd better add great songwriters and great arrangers to great musicians and great instruments.
Thanks for adding that Bob. I posted at about 3:00AM. You have added clarity and wisdom, as always.

Great interview in Tape Op BTW.
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