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Old 16th August 2002
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Anyone useing TC Finalizer these days?

Hello all,

I have been very busy this summer prepareing a far out "2 CD Garage Album" called "Purple Iron Hat." It involves over 14 bands, ages rangeing from 17 to 43! Whew, what a summer of personalities!

It really has been a gas and did I mention, no one is being paid! Thats right, this an excursion of love from the lost years of teenaged passion and recording basics!

Almost all the bands had 1 try at songs such as "Wild Thing", "Gloria", Problem Child", "Satisfy You", "Your gonna miss me", "900 million people daily, all makeing love" (The Seeds), "Lucy Lea" (Syd Barret), "Stop your sobbing", "Here comes my girl", Louie Louie", "Anarchy in the UK", Video killed the radio star", "Taxman", "Wowie Zowie" (Frank Zappa), "Bat Macumba" (Giberto Gil), "Let it all hang out", also the theme from H.R. Pufenstuf, if you can believe it! We even have a beat poet reading from Roger Corman's "Bucket of Blood"!

I am still recording the last of the bands thru September. We began in March and have come up with an impressive count of almost 40 numbers.

Here are some of the names of the bands for "Purple Iron Hat" :

The Young Ones
The Silky Sam
Sludge (from Japan!)
Nobodies Grandchildren
The Things
The English Natives
Salty Chocolate
Spitz
Betty Maze and The Protectors
The Harry Steps
The Protestent Conspiracy
Dr. Idiot and The Stupied Machine
Lucy Goosey
Soggy Dust
The Atlas Brothers

Sound like fun? Well I hope the production works out as well as these 1st Take Recordings came out and that is what leads me to my original qestion:

Is anyone out there getting good results with the Finalizer 96K? I have been away from it for so long, that I am all out of wack with approching the device. (Don't want to make things sound harsh!)

I feel bad that I spent the $2,400.00 on it a year and a half ago and I now keep it in neutral and use the digital pass thru for my monitors, so it has become a volume device.

In all fairness, though, I have to admit I have not tacken the time to understand this device, as the mannual is sparse and I have never been able to discuss with other Finalizer owners, the ins and outs of this some what complicated device.

I am a simpleton at heart!


Peace and Dreams my friends,
Old 16th August 2002
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IMHO, while the Distressor keeps going like the Duracell bunny and is still a rack classic, the Finalizers huge popualrity has waned a little due a lot of folks getting better, less harsh sounding results with DAW plug ins...

Perhaps sell it and get a Cranesong Hedd or Apogee PSX 100

But they can do the voulme knob trick!

Dunno!
Old 17th August 2002
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Re: Anyone useing TC Finalizer these days?

Quote:
Originally posted by Mad John
Is anyone out there getting good results with the Finalizer 96K? I have been away from it for so long, that I am all out of wack with approching the device. (Don't want to make things sound harsh!)

I feel bad that I spent the $2,400.00 on it a year and a half ago and I now keep it in neutral and use the digital pass thru for my monitors, so it has become a volume device.
My original mix bus processing chain was an Aphex Compellor > Aphex Dominator > on-board converters in my DAT deck. I was always happy with the results. Being the dope that I am, I bought into the hype and sold my Aphex stuff to get a Finalizer. In the entire time I used the Finalizer, I was never able to get results that were superior to the Aphex signal chain. I still wish I had those two pieces today. On the other hand, when I finaly get around to dumping the Finalizer (probably for 1/10 of what I paid for it) I doubt I will ever wish I had it back.

- jon
Old 19th August 2002
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Aaaaararrrrrrrrrraaarrarararararaararggggggghhhhh!

dfegad
Old 20th August 2002
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Thanks every one!

It is comforting to see 147 people have read my post and only 3 responces in total.

I would have thought there would of been more interest from "Music Lovers!"

Anyway, I will let you know when the album is completed!

tut
Old 21st August 2002
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I'd use a Finalizer for something if it was around. I actually considered buying one last year when I got my Mytek A/D. I found a used 20-bit 48khz Finalizer for $100 more then I got the Mytek (also 20-bit) for. I thought about it for a bit and decided that I'd rather have the straight converter then all the extra stuff. If I started to do a lot of mastering I'd probably invest in the hardware L2. As it is I do two passes for mastering. One is an analog chain of EQ and compression if needed and the second pass is limiting and little EQ touch-ups if needed in the DAW. Works for me.
Old 21st August 2002
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the best (or at least most amusing) comment/opinion I have ever heard about the TC Finalizer was from a hip-hop producer,

"you know those buttons on the shelf systems at circuit city? The ones that say dance, rock, pop, opera? The finalizer it kinda like that, it just gives you those basic mastering jobs, you just kinda decide which you need"

my response was the patented smile and "yeah man!"

beauty of the "yeah man" - is that the other person sees you being nice and saying yeah man, and are usualy dumbfounded to the point that they just smile and stop talking...
Old 21st August 2002
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I have a MD5.1 option in my sys 6000 .... that's like a finaliser I guess ......


Use it on masters .... nope ..... not realy
Old 21st August 2002
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I have a finalizer that I use quite often while mastering. The things I use it for is to control the low end on recordings with out having to make it quiet. And also I find the normalizer on it to be quite good if you just need a little bit more. I don't think the eq sounds very good and I never use it. I do not use the finalizer as an A to D converter in my mastering chain it comes after my PSX100 or AD96(lucid). I think it is a great tool and unlike the plug in MasterX it gives you more control of the individual bands of compression.

Mike
Old 22nd August 2002
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...what i know of the finalizer is this....use only the digital outs....do not attempt to use it across the buss as an analog device...other than that its way overpriced but does a basic pushbutton kinda job...
Old 22nd August 2002
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After a report from a Spanish chum, I mean to get mine out of mothballs,

Just use it for normalizing & a bit of 3 band comp + Perhaps dither..

I will skip the EQ - too metalic as I recall....

tut
Old 22nd August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by JayCrouch
"you know those buttons on the shelf systems at circuit city? The ones that say dance, rock, pop, opera? The finalizer it kinda like that, it just gives you those basic mastering jobs, you just kinda decide which you need"

my response was the patented smile and "yeah man!"
One size fits none. Yeah man.
Old 22nd August 2002
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One of the bands I am recording for the "Purple Iron Hat", The English Natives, who are doing George Harrison's "Tax Man", were recording Lead vocals yesterday and we decided to try (for me this was a first) the Finalizer by utlilizeing the "Car speaker" program.

What we did was take a SM-57 into Universal 2-610/Manley MU limiter/analog in to 96K, analog out from 96K to tape. Oh yeah!

We got a great effect and that was the first time that I ever used the Finalizer as a "tool box!"

It worked perfectly for our purposes, hey, maybey I'll even get around to "Finalizeing" with it.

By the way, is anyone useing the Masterlink for any minior "Finalizeing"/"Mastering"?

Thank you for your responces,
Old 22nd August 2002
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Why not just use the filters on the 2-610 & skip the ad/da?

- jon
Old 22nd August 2002
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I am not sure that I understand you.
Old 23rd August 2002
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reinstating the F word!

Hmmm. I do remember the finalizer delivering a great bass sound to stuff via the multi band compression.....and I was rather a whizz with it.... (several radio indie hit's) ........
Old 23rd August 2002
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I sold my Finalizer Express, and replaced it with a 747, and PSX as converter. Couldn't have made a better decision.

Someone else might appreciate the Finalizer. I did when I bought it, but it was time for something better.

Imagine
Old 23rd August 2002
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If you don't need the 96K function, or the optical out, I have found the TC DBmax to a better sounding and way more flexable box. Just the fact you can select between 1-5 bands for processing that the Finalizer can't makes it a winner for me. All the broadcast presets and filters come in handy to hear what your material will sound like when processed over AM/FM radio and various forms of TV standards.

AudioGaff
Old 23rd August 2002
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What I was suggesting was to use the eq section uf the 2-610 to roll off the highs and lows to get the telephone sound. That way, you can skip an unnecessary AD/DA conversion. Just a thought...

Whoops! I just re-read your post and realized you said 'car speaker' not 'telephone'. Please ignore me while I go replenish the perilously low caffeine level in my blood stream.

- jon
Old 23rd August 2002
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Jon, no prob, it's all good!

Yeah fellas, the Finalizer is not what most people use, that is for sure, but I really have never used it.

In the begining when I got it, I just used the presets to see what it sounded like.

It does make material louder and harsher though! heh

And maybey if I find my way around it, it will sound better than not useing anything......we shall see!
Old 23rd August 2002
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Don't know if this means anything to you, but Ted Jensen uses one on quite a bit of his masters (DRG).

FWIW...
Old 23rd August 2002
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I haven't used one in so long... Someone refresh my memory: Does the finalizer have midi control? I think so... too....much....mountain....dew.....can't.....remember....

What I'm getting at is, I think it would be kinda cool to, say, use the jazz preset in the intro, then a rock preset in the verse, a CD Master preset in the hook, so on & so forth. I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...
Old 24th August 2002
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Had one.
Sold it.
don't miss it.
I get better results out of WAVES and MCDSP.

McDSP ROCKS!!!!!!

Analog channel forever. Well, until I don't like it anymore.

He. He.

D
Old 24th August 2002
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Ditto. Colin McDowell is one of the greatest things to even happen to audio.
Old 24th August 2002
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My take is.....
Emulation is in its infancy.
I can't wait......I love it already!
I think companies like McDsp and Line 6 and Korg are really poised to have a big impact on what can done on a DAW.
Some of the products are not quite there but, where they are is amazing. Most opinions I have read would agree that they are all at 98% or better. That is amazing. And something I appreciate is that you still have to master them to get good results.

Sorry about the off-topic
Old 20th November 2005 | Show parent
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Master X

after the mix through a real console or summing (Mixdream) box> Pro Tools>
I step down with Master X (virtual Finalizer) > then L3 dither
Old 20th November 2005 | Show parent
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Master X

after the mix through a real console or summing (Mixdream) box> Pro Tools>
I step down with Master X (virtual Finalizer) > then L3 dither
Old 20th November 2005 | Show parent
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I've got the Finalizer with the "Plus" upgrade (not the 96K).

I haven't even turned it on since I moved into my new place in January, and in the year before that, I think I only used it a few times on some really low budget and quickie rap projects where they didn't want to come back for another "mastering" session, and just wanted it LOUD, which I could do easily on the spot while mixing with the Finalizer followed by the hardware L2 Ultramaximizer.

For any real mastering work that I do now (when clients can't afford or don't want to use a real mastering engineer), I have better luck and achieve better sounds with plug-ins (Waves, UAD-1, and now sometimes URS EQ).

If anyone needs a Finalizer or Hardware L2, I would consider selling them.

Steve
Old 20th November 2005 | Show parent
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This thread is nearly 4 years old......I think the age of the 'mastering box' has passed for now....but I suspect it will re-surface under a new guise...
Old 21st November 2005 | Show parent
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Anyone familiar with the quality of a finalizers ADs/DAs relative to later technology such as a Crane Song Hedd? I have a 48k finalizer on the mix buss of my Sony DMX console and are wondering whether to invest in and insert a STC-8 and massive passive between it's converters.... or whether to junk the finalizer and buy a Hedd.

PJB
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