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Old 8th June 2003
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I've got some gansta rap on wax disk if anyones interested
Old 8th June 2003
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I'll trade you for my Ice Cube shellac 78's.

Seriously, I guess there's no real answer for when it started. Some people mention the griot tradition in Africa--certainly that's pre-Edison.
Old 8th June 2003
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nice to see we funnied this thread up a bit



music man ! hilarious!
Old 9th June 2003
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Last word...

just to get down in the mud for the final time...

1. If somebody doesn't like a kind of music ... fine.
2. If somebody then tries to justify not liking that music by going beyond the realms of personal taste and instead coming up with a bull**** pseudo-intellectual reason why that music is actually rubbish per se then I'm gonna disagree.
3. I don't like punk or new wave, thrash, heavy metal, etc but there's no way I'm gonna say its cos all the musicians are talentless or cos they only know 3 chords or cos they can't sing, etc, etc. Its just my personal taste and so what?
4. A gearslut judging hip hop music on what he hears in the 'media' in Germany is like a gourmet chef judging the state of food by eating in McDonalds everyday.
5. I am not a hip-hop kid.
6. I relate to music on an emotional level - not an intellectual level... maybe that's where we differ most.

Finally an apology - I could have worded it better about your English - what I MEANT to say was 'even allowing for something in mistranslation your comment was completely ridiculous'.

Burt

PS. Give me Rothko, Barnett Newman and a few lines on a canvas over Michaelangelo anytime.
Old 9th June 2003
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This night on a party I spoke to some youngsters who belong to those who give me the impression that it will come back to the demand for hand made music.
That´s kind of news that I like.

As ridiculous must have to do with laughing I hope you had your good time too, so we are both lucky. That´s fine.
No grudge from me.
Old 9th June 2003
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Originally posted by mdbeh
Got some evidence for that? Of course, no music is ever truly "new"--it's always coming from somewhere, it's going to reflect existing forms, etc. But the account I mentioned seems to be pretty well accepted.
You need to spend some time tracing a song like "Knoxville Girl" by the Louvin Brothers to appreciate how traditions get passed along through the years.

Here's a little snip of something that kind of plugs it in past the 1970s: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_of_rap_music
Old 9th June 2003
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I'm familiar with "Knoxville Girl", and a lot of similar songs.

Some of that sort of work is fascinating--realizing how far back some of the songs on the Harry Smith anthology, for example, go.

(And I did mention griots before...)

Earlier African American styles obviously influenced hip-hop, and those can be connected to many, very old influences. But this doesn't mean "there's always been hip-hip" anymore than there's always been rock, just because rock bands have covered insanely old songs like "John Henry."

I just think these sorts of every-piece-of-music-in-existence-contributed-to-"White Lines" types of progressions are a bit of a stretch. If you go far enough back, you can connect almost anything.

I'm just talking more specifically about the direct roots of the early hip-hop.
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I've spent plenty of time with "Knoxville Girl", thank you.

Some of that sort of work is fascinating--realizing how far back some of the songs on the Harry Smith anthology, for example, go.
(And I already mentioned griots, so I'm not really looking for instruction in anthromusicology.)

I just think these sorts of every-piece-of-music-in-existence-contributed-to-"White Lines" types of progressions are a bit of a stretch. If you go far enough back, you can connect almost anything.

I'm just talking more specifically about the direct roots of the early hip-hop.
If you want to go direct, then I'll take the Afrika Bambaataa meets Kraftwerk story. Anything before that doesn't connect to any Hip Hop sounds today.

Anyhow, I need to go feed my guitars.
Old 9th June 2003
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It's all how you describe it, I guess.

(Oh, and I edited my previous post, so I think my point's a little clearer. And God knows what "anthromusicology" is--I meant to write ethnomusicology, I think.)

A good discussion, anyway...

Old 9th June 2003
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Originally posted by pounce
well, i sometimes wonder what can be accomplished by a thread like this. not much chance people are going to switch opinions based on some internet comments. i think just about every poster, myself included, has mentioned that you either like it or you don't and you get back to work. of course, the occasional person has to let things degenerate from there into something less productive.

teacher, i'd leave them name calling for the playground. jeez, everyone is a tough guy on the internet.

and if you are going to call someone else an idiot, at least get your own spelling correct.

i am sure with many full time pro's on the list, we have some strong opinions about music (i dont' know that teacher is a pro, the avatar of sonar makes methink not) that will allow for animated discussions about musicality, music history, it's relation to culture, and musical trends. you have to have an opinion and an ear and bring those sensibilities to the studio.

if hip hop makes a person groove, good for them. there's plenty of it out there. it doesn't work for me. no big whoop. does listening to "move bitch get out the way" inspire me musically and lyrically? not really. hell, i have an mpc and many keyboards, but i need more than a 4 bar loop of any kind of music to stay interested. and i prefer lyrics that are a bit more compelling than the typically found money / bitches/ braggadocio on popular hip hop. and things like missy elliot doing fairly sexually explicit songs whose videos have kids on a playground dancing to it is irresponsible. i just dont' dig it. it's their right to make those songs, and other peoples right to listen to it, but my perogative to find it just kinda bad. look, i have to get back to work today, but i hope that regardless of musical tastes people can stick to discussing music and act like adults and professionals, which i presume this group is populated with.
i'm not trying to act tough u just sounded like an idiot...i too fell victim to the same stupidity about how rap is better then this or that genre...i took a step back and retracted my statements and called my self an idiot cuz it is stupid to say such a thing...

The reason for Hip Hop/Raps Popularity IMHO is its ability to take Classsics and revive them with a thumbing kick and bass line and make it there own...you'll hear everything from classical samples to arabic samples... what other music genre offers that? Hip hop to me is a melting pot of all music genres...
Old 9th June 2003
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i'm not trying to act tough u just sounded like an idiot...i too fell victim to the same stupidity about how rap is better then this or that genre...i took a step back and retracted my statements and called my self an idiot cuz it is stupid to say such a thing...
well, here are a few thoughts..

i suppose i'm just not very patient with some of the above comments in so much as...

if you want to call yourself an idiot, go ahead. i may join in.

you are still using the terms idiot and stupidity in reference to me, so i'll clarify a thing or two about my earlier posts and then move on. it's not worth investing too much energy in this thread, but it had just gotten to be funny and on topic about music again before this post snuck in and still rubbed me the wrong way. i can tell we are simply not seeing eye to eye and that's just what it's going to be.

just to be sure you understood my earlier posted issues...

for me, _any_ music style that only repeats the same 4 measures over and over isn't going to be interesting. that also includes anything overly repetitious like the doo wop song "lollipop" all the way on to more modern hip hop. not every song, the beastie boys and dj shadow are doing interesting things for example, but 50cent is more than a little repetitive. music that includes more structure and tempo changes and so forth is often more compelling and has more feel. ( i sometimes like very simple dance stuff when done in a way that's interesting, so you never know, but junior rave **** falls flat pretty often )

any cover of a song should be unique or even better than the original. NIN succeeded with "get down make love", but there are other covers that aren't better than the original and aren't interesting to me as a listener as a result...i'll take the original.

any song which is based almost entirely on another song but has somone just talking over it is less interesting to me. eminem using aerosmith right now is just not getting it for me. i like aerosmith. it's like listening to an aerosmith song while someone is talking to loudly near you. it doesn't add something to the tune, and he doesn't make it his own. he just talks over it a little. sean combs is a worst offender in this area.

i know some people in the world really are gangsters. but certainly not every new "artist" has to promote all this bitches, how much money i got, i'm a gangster crap. what it is these "artists" have to say is sophmoric braggadocio and now it's idiomatic. it has become so unoriginal that it's become tiresome that every artist is using it. i dont' like getting yelled at in real life, hearing someone yell "move bitch get out the way" isn't entertaining. i am even so much of a curmudgeon that the constant inability to even string together a proper sentence is not appealling. ever hear 50cent try to put a sentence together? scary. so i'm all for grammar. anyhow, there is no universal human content, there is no simple fun, it's just... the opposite of "keeping it real" in music that doesnt' entertain me. and then there are artists who use the "n" word or otherwise preach hate and seperation. it's a reason i can't hang with eminem. i care about what goes in my earhole and hate messages don't wash well here. its' also why you don't hear death metal in my record collection. for example, i abide by the strict and simple definition that the "n" word is -always- a hate word and using it casually is just a terrible idea.

i prefer artists who know the difference between sexual and sexy. christina aguilera and mariah carey are sexual, but other artists are much sexier. trying too hard and using too much make up and whoring it up in the videos does not increase my respect for the artists and the image that they choose for themselves. i'd take gwen stefani over those two any day of the week, or cheryl crow. this is more about trying too hard, believing your own hype too much, and not being "real" or on the level. tarrence trent darby actually believed his own hype, he was unbearable.


oh well, more than enough from me. this is intended to simply clarify my personal issues relating to what obvious things might make me enjoy or not enjoy a song. the thread relates to hip hop, which i do not personally enjoy, but the thoughts i have above apply to all music. like many here, i play two instruments, i engineer audio for a living, and continue to occasionally make some original music in my so called free time when not working for other folks. i'm in and around this stuff all the time. i'd think most people listening to any music would have those ideas at least in the back of their heads - i'm sure many of the factors above influence how much they like a song or not.

my point is not to influence or change any opinion. it wouldn't happen anyway. my point isn't now and has never been to say any type of music is inherently and emperically better than another. it's just to explain that i don't consider any of the ideas above some "psuedo intellectual justification", but rather the text version of what factors are considered while i listen to new music. and while others have always been welcome to disagree, they have to decide if they like the repetition, the language, the content, the mood, and so forth. people are so different i surely don't expect people to all share the same opinion. no biggie. i do think the things i dislike in much popular music objectively exist and are easily seen, it's just a matter of if it floats your boat or not. i'm not some cranky old rocker who cannot appreciate new music per se, but i know enough about -music- and i've had the pleasure of working with -great- musicians that the bar is raised for musicality. after you work with bb king, the guy showing off crude blues licks at the local bar is sometimes less interesting. it's a matter of perspective. so my perspective has flavored my music opinions. and for those who have different tastes than mine there is plenty of popular music to serve them. i simply like the idea that i can -explain- my opinion and move on, i am still a little left brained when it comes to music. there is a logic there and a sensibility that i am not trying to impose, but clarify so as to avoid any further posts by teacher or anyone who likes to just call someone an unflattering name and call that a discussion or valuable input. so let's please move away from name calling and back into the funny **** what was just getting posted. i'm actually here to _relax_ ya know.
Old 9th June 2003
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Yeah, there's probably nothing that will push the emotional buttons more quickly than having spent a good deal of one's life honing and defining the essence and the craft of a personal artistic style, only to have a self-proclaimed arbiter with only a passing knowledge of the subject proclaim that what you do has no artistic merit. As someone once said, "Dem's fightin' words!"

Add into the mix a confrontational style and a slight language barrier and you have a prime formula for meltdown! So it's not hard to see where emotions might fly out of control in this situation.

There will always be those who feel whatever they don't like can't be art. What is or isn't art is a seductive topic to debate, but it inevitably comes down to the same arguments used in defining pornography by those who wish to legislate or control it: "I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it..."

I might agree with Ruphus and others that a style that was essentially defined by two or four bar rhythmic patterns looped ad infinitum is less artistically interesting than a Bartok string quartet. IF that were true. In my experience there is a whole lot more to it (in the good stuff, at least), so the underlying assumption is false.

Of course, on a personal level, I would probably be forced to concede that there may not be any pop music that is as artistically interesting as a Bartok string quartet, but I would never try to foist that opinion as some sort of absolute truth - it would just be my personal preference.

Finally, comparing any "art" that is designed for mass consumption to that which pushes the boundaries to the extent that it makes no effort to be "accessible" is unfair. The basic intent and function is completely different. It would be like comparing a play by Tom Stoppard or Athol Fugard to a script for an episode of Seinfeld - they may be both critically acclaimed for what they are trying to do, but they are not competing in the same arena.

Now, one could make the argument that "art" by definition cannot be designed for mass consumption, which is fine. Except that now you better expand the list of "non-artistic" styles to include a whole lot more music than just hip-hop!
Old 9th June 2003
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The reason for Hip Hop/Raps Popularity IMHO is its ability to take Classsics and revive them with a thumbing kick and bass line and make it there own...you'll hear everything from classical samples to arabic samples... what other music genre offers that?
Not that I would be one myself, but I know that a musician well educated in theory can transpose any piece into any other style. There are guys who can do this even on the scratch when you ask them too.
This is not a question of could, but of would.

By the way, I can´t stand it when a good piece is taken and altered usually to the much worse. There have been only very few examples in my opnion where this came out to something originally sounding ( like e.g. Cocker´s Beatles songs or Clapton´s version of "I shot the Sheriff" or his take from Cale´s "Cocain" etc. and some even more altered covers.)
But in the very most cases cover versions to me only spoil the original. What comes in my mind are some examples of what they did to Zeppelin songs. Annoying ugly. Made me not touch the original for a longer time, just shortening the subjective "half-time" of the original ( if I can say so in English ).

Ruphus
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Not that I would be one myself, but I know that a musician well educated in theory can transpose any piece into any other style. There are guys who can do this even on the scratch when you ask them too.
This is not a question of could, but of would.

By the way, I can´t stand it when a good piece is taken and altered usually to the much worse. There have been only very few examples in my opnion where this came out to something originally sounding ( like e.g. Cocker´s Beatles songs or Clapton´s version of "I shot the Sheriff" or his take from Cale´s "Cocain" etc. and some even more altered covers.)
But in the very most cases coverversions to me only spoil the original. What comes in my mind are some examples of what they did to Zeppelin songs. Annoying ugly. Made me not touch the original for a longer time, just prolonging the "half-time" of the original ( if I can say so in English ).

Ruphus
now if you like the original over the newer is a matter of opinion, but i'm saying hip hop can take a mozart peice which would be consider 'not cool' by the majority of the youth and turn into something modern and danceable...
Old 9th June 2003
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Y'know, I kind of like it when Will Smith jabbers all over those old records
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now if you like the original over the newer is a matter of opinion, but i'm saying hip hop can take a mozart peice which would be consider 'not cool' by the majority of the youth and turn into something modern and danceable...
I understand. But this could be done by any style, rock, disco, reggae etc. Innit?
Old 9th June 2003
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it may not sound right...rappers are more flexible then traditional singers because they don't have to worry about notes and pitch and what not...its more or less poetry feel the beat to get the cadence for your flow and voila...i might be talkin out my ass though....i'm just saying I THINK its easier to rap over a different type of music style then sing and sound good on it....
Old 9th June 2003
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Some examples of crass, stupid, repetitive music:

the stooges
the ramones
AC/DC
robert johnson
kraftwerk
buddy holly
glen miller
john cage
throbbing gristle

You get the idea. Not that i'd compare 50 cent to any of these great artists, but we'll have to dig a bit further to explain what makes one good and the other bad.

My favorite hiphop:
Wu-Tang
Notorious BIG
Nas (sometimes)
Kool Keith

What turns me on about these artists (what i think of as making a hiphop artist "good") is the way their words flow against the backing rhythm. Yes, the backing rhythm is repetitive (but not always uninteresting), but the exciting part is the push-pull that the rapper does against the repetitive beat. It's really not very different from how a jazz saxophonist does rhythmic figures around the basic rhythm in jazz. There are many differences in the genres, of course, but what makes a great lead player in jazz is very similar to what makes a great rapper.

50 cent, in my opinion has no flow. Biggie had a very very smooth, behind the beat flow, like a drummer lagging behind on 2 and 4. Old Dirty Bastard (in his good moments) had a spaztic, unpredictable, jumping-ahead-of-the-beat style, like Archie Shepp or Roscoe Mitchell. Nas has a focused, disciplined delivery, that gives a very directed driving-forward shape to his lines, like Glenn Gould playing Bach.

I've enjoyed this thread very much, thanks.
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i just wanted to disagree about 50...i think he has a phenomenal flow and delivery...not the most eloquent with lyrical content but he rides the **** out of beat IMHO

QUOTE]Originally posted by jajjguy
Some examples of crass, stupid, repetitive music:

the stooges
the ramones
AC/DC
robert johnson
kraftwerk
buddy holly
glen miller
john cage
throbbing gristle

You get the idea. Not that i'd compare 50 cent to any of these great artists, but we'll have to dig a bit further to explain what makes one good and the other bad.

My favorite hiphop:
Wu-Tang
Notorious BIG
Nas (sometimes)
Kool Keith

What turns me on about these artists (what i think of as making a hiphop artist "good") is the way their words flow against the backing rhythm. Yes, the backing rhythm is repetitive (but not always uninteresting), but the exciting part is the push-pull that the rapper does against the repetitive beat. It's really not very different from how a jazz saxophonist does rhythmic figures around the basic rhythm in jazz. There are many differences in the genres, of course, but what makes a great lead player in jazz is very similar to what makes a great rapper.

50 cent, in my opinion has no flow. Biggie had a very very smooth, behind the beat flow, like a drummer lagging behind on 2 and 4. Old Dirty Bastard (in his good moments) had a spaztic, unpredictable, jumping-ahead-of-the-beat style, like Archie Shepp or Roscoe Mitchell. Nas has a focused, disciplined delivery, that gives a very directed driving-forward shape to his lines, like Glenn Gould playing Bach.

I've enjoyed this thread very much, thanks.
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It's all how you describe it, I guess.

(Oh, and I edited my previous post, so I think my point's a little clearer. And God knows what "anthromusicology" is--I meant to write ethnomusicology, I think.)

A good discussion, anyway...

And more productive than just disrespecting it.

So, you like the Louvin Brothers, eh???

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Old 10th June 2003
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Interesting thread.

Currently producing my first hiphop project - after many years of liking hiphop, listening to it, dancing to it at clubs - I have to honestly say that I love hiphop. I love it's potential, it's open-endedness.

Hiphop overlaps with EVERY style and genre of music. There is no genre of music from any era of musical history that cannot be incorporated into hiphop...or that cannot be infected with hiphop sensibility.

One could easily substitute "DJ Culture" with the term "hiphop" and arrive at the same equation. In the urban cultural landscape, DJs are the progenitors of change.

YMMV...
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yeah, an excellent thread, pity i didn't see this until today.....

i was a rocker for years but am now totally converted to hip hop after doing sessions with some top english rappers and dj's. i still listen to "rock" but there's a lot to be said for sparking a fatty and kicking back to some phat beats.

untalented dj's? you need to check out someone like kid koala, qbert, mr thing or mixmaster mike.

production? bob power! as good as anything nigel goodrich does with radiohead.

mc's? i agree with burt on common. also check out talib kweli, the roots, mos def, kool keith/ dr dooom.
Old 17th June 2003
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The big boys like Dr.Dre, Jermaine Dupri, Neptunes all have
some sort of musical talent. Be it at guitar,piano,keys,drums
or whatever. I don't like the overall feeling that the people
on this thread feel like its easy to make a hip hop record.
Well its easy to play piano, but to play piano well takes
alot of hard work. With that being said I question most
people (not just in this thread) who feel that rap is the dumbing down of music. When people complain about how rap takes other
peoples music and talks over it I have to pause and wonder. How
many Eric Clapton and Beatles and Steely Dan records were
inspired by other artists that they heard. Did they sample the track? Maybe not physically but mentally................maybe that
hit song was (INSPIRED) by another song that they heard. In terms of people not liking the 4 bar repeat..well doesn't all music
repeat at some point? Maybe not at 4 but 16 or 20 but it all
repeats eventually. Stevie Wonder is the exception, but the fact
is that most inner city kids did not have access or the means to
instruments like guitars,pianos,drums and the like. So they used
what they could get there hands on. Not only that if they did have
the means to get a guitar what are the odds that there friend up
the street who also loved music also had the means and they
could form some kind of band?? Rap was the poor boy version
of OUR BAND. Now we have people bad mouthing it because the
kids don't know A sharp from B minor but the truth is who said
you have to know that to make what you deem music..???
Old 17th June 2003
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an observation i've made...rap music production is usually more repetitive but other genres LYRICS are more repetitive then rap lyrics...i don't mean topic i mean actual words
Old 18th June 2003
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Originally posted by zell
Now we have people bad mouthing it because the
kids don't know A sharp from B minor...
hmmm... is that like knowing an apple from an orange?
Old 18th June 2003
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it is but u still have to be taught which is an apple and which is an orange

innercity school systems don't have music programs the majority of the time...
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...

Hi all, long time lurker here, felt the need to jump in on this one -

I think it's a pretty ****ty generalization to make that all MTV (c)rap is just that - Anybody listened to Dr. Dre's Chronic 2001 lately? I can't think of a better sounding album, in terms of studio technique, that came out in the last 5 years. Certainly it's understandable that one could take offense to the lyrics, however one mustn't confuse words with music.

And while studio sheen isn't the same thing as content (or else we'd all be listening to Starship's Knee Deep in the Hoopla right now), it's a gross oversimplification to say that chord progressions and melodies are some sort of inherent mark of musical ability, training and or knowledge.

It's key to understand that music has a lot more factors than just melody and harmony, and quite frankly anybody who claims hip hop to be simple and base on these grounds (ie no melody, no chord progressions) doesn't know very much about music.

What about rhythm? Perfect example, "gimme the light" by Sean Paul. Once the hype is all died down a few years from now, people will look back at this as one of the great dance tracks of all time, and not because of it's great melody or great chord progressions. Hands down, it's one of the funkiest, most original beats I've heard on the radio in a long time.

I hate to say it, but music wasn't invented in the 1950's with Elvis. Nope, not in the 30s with Ellington either. No, not even back at the crossroads with Robert Johnson. Sorry, music has been around for the last 2000 years or so, and quite frankly, rock music itself is responsible for a lot of the "dumbing down" as it were that people accuse hip hop of perpetrating.

I mean, take punk as an example - the Ramones have become lionized and put into the canon of "great music" by those wonderful people at SPIN magazine specifically because of their lack of "chops". I don't mean to imply they weren't talented, but rather, their rudimentary abilities set them apart from the overblown prog rock that was popular at the time. Now, let's be honest - what takes more "ability", "technique", "skill", "creativity" or what have you? A 3 chord punk song based on repetitive 2 and 4 bar phrases, such as "I wanna be sedated" or, a g funk hip hop track based on repetitve 2 and 4 bar phrases, a la Snoop Dogg's "Gin and Juice?"

Answer: Both

Bottom line - you can't compare the two, because they utilize completely different skill sets. While I agree that neither one has **** on a Bartok String 4tet in terms of complexity or difficulty, each genre has it's own skill set which it requires in order to be done properly.

If you want technique, complexity, difficulty, musicianship - all these things that rock music supposedly has that rap music doesnt - listen to either (good) jazz or classical music - that's where you'll find it taken to it's true extreme (a la late 60's miles davis, stravinsky, etc. etc.)

Anyway, my whole rambling point here is that all music is easy to create poorly. Whether it be learning a a few chords on a guitar or "1 hour on reason", you can create absolute **** that will pass for music in almost any genre. But to do it right requires a lot more than musical talent, whether it be soul, bravado, energy, anger, politics, or what have you. Each style has it's own requirements. You don't need soul to make good punk music, but you sure do need a lot of frantic energy. You don't need frantic energy to make good blues music, but you sure need a lot of soul.

Hip Hop has it's own requirements, and if you don't understand what they are, you shouldn't criticize others of not adhering to them.

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Also,
Hip Hop is not all based on loops and four bar repetitive phrases. I used to play in a free-improv music band who would often have rappers come up and freestyle with us. This requires an inordinate amount of innate creativity to pull off. Being able to spit rhymes over a beat you've never heard before while it's being created on the spot requires a considerable amount of skill.
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For anyone who still thinks all rap is a pile-o-poo, check out the album "Bridging the Gap" by the Black Eyed Peas........

..........songs, hooks, great musicians, pfat production, bumpin' grooves........a classic and one of the best albums i can think of in any genre from the last 15 years!
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Well put! I agree

Old 18th June 2003
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Originally posted by Teacher
it is but u still have to be taught which is an apple and which is an orange

innercity school systems don't have music programs the majority of the time...
it was the "mixed metaphor" that I found bemusing. Sort of like saying: "kids today don't know a vowel from a continent..."

it sort of shifts the focus from judging the kids to judging the critic...

oh, never mind....
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