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New "budget" preamps
Old 7th August 2002
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New "budget" preamps

The Studio Projects VTB-1, Summit Audio 2BA-221, and FMR Audio RNP all have my attention. I know they are all either super-new or not available yet, so as soon as anyone gets a chance with any of these units, PLEASE post reviews here! I'm not looking for "the best preamp ever", just new flavors to use for a good price.

While we're at it, the Apogee Mini-Me deserves a mention!

So has anyone taken these out for a test drive? Any other preamps worth listening to?
Old 7th August 2002
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X, just was able to use the new VTB-1 on my Sennheiser 421 MKII for
vocals and it sounded A-1 IMHO.
Tomorrow I plan to hear how it sounds on a condenser using the
phantom power.

Chris
Old 7th August 2002
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I put a chum in the frame to beta test the Mini Me, but they aren't allowed to talk to me about it!

Old 8th August 2002
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The VTB-1 sounds stellar to me on both dynamics and condensers.
LOVE to hear how my assessment measures up to the more experienced
gearslutz here who try this mic pre out.

Chris
Old 29th August 2002
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Re: New "budget" preamps

Quote:
Originally posted by XHipHop
Summit Audio 2BA-221
Has anybody heard this thing yet? I'll let everybody else trip over one another to get the RNP. I want the Summit. Has anyone gotten a chance to play with this thing yet? Anyone?
Old 29th August 2002
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I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. If it sounds similar to the big 2-channel deal I think I'll want one or two. There's also a new preamp that I'll be testing out in a few weeks... Sounds like it'll be cool.
Old 8th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
There's also a new preamp that I'll be testing out in a few weeks... Sounds like it'll be cool.

OHHHHH! what is it????
Old 8th September 2002
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I can't tell you it. It's a prototype and it might not ever be a real product. If you need a mic preamp now there are plenty on the market that sound and work well so go buy one.
Old 8th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
If you need a mic preamp now there are plenty on the market that sound and work well so go buy one.
What are some of your favs? (Budget or otherwise)

Just curious.
Old 8th September 2002
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What would you call a budget model? To some people $1200-1500 for a two channel preamp isn't expensive. To others it is. You really can't go too wrong with any of the standards like API, Neve, Hardy, Great River, Crane Song and things like thing. If I were only going to have a few channels I'd want something on the cleaner side with a minimal amount of color like a Hardy or Grace. I also like things like the Joe Meek stuff even though I wouldn't use it on everything.

Since I'm fortunate enough to have a bunch of outboard preamps I pick them like an artist would pick brushes or shades of green while painting. The Dakings have a different sound then the Telefunken which sounds different then the Presonus and Meek which are different then the Neve etc. By using different mic pres I can help seperate the guitars from the vocals and use less EQ. The result is a more interesting recording with tones that seperate better. Think about it, if you have two or three mics and one preamp everything you record will have the stamp of that gear and a similar frequency response so you end up EQ'ing things to get seperation. The other way to do it is with mic choice and placement.

The idea of using outboard mic preamps on everthing is pretty recent and got popular in the last 5-10 years or so. Before that pretty much everyone used whatever mic pres were in the console and did everything with mic choice and placement.
Old 11th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs

[The result is a more interesting recording with tones that seperate better. Think about it, if you have two or three mics and one preamp everything you record will have the stamp of that gear and a similar frequency response so you end up EQ'ing things to get seperation. The other way to do it is with mic choice and placement.

. [/B]
This is SO true. Up until about a month ago the only pres I had available ( I thoght) were in the Behringer console. I had been battling excess low mids at about 200Hz like forever, and I always thought it was a room problem. Everything that went to the mastering shop needed work there.

I recently did a shoot out with the pres on my STA Audio C-port (8in/8out PCI + rackmount PC interface) and also a recently purchased Symetrix 302 pre. Guess what.. it was the damn Behringer muddying it up.

With new knowledge in hand, I'm looking forward to the next project.
Old 16th September 2002
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Don't look now, but it looks like we may have yet another entrant to add to the list of new, inexpensive pres. I know these guys have quite the reputation for making quality EQ at a reasonable cost:

http://www.speck.com/mp50/mp50.shtml
Old 17th September 2002
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Ok, since the cat is out of the bag so to speak that's the one I have coming. Don't plan on being able to buy one for a while though.
Old 17th September 2002
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Well, It's certainly pretty... Ok, who's gonna take a guess as to what kinda scratch she'll ship for.
Old 17th September 2002
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Ballpark is $500-600 but that could change. Next time I talk to Vince I'll try and get it nailed down but like always, no promises.
Old 17th September 2002
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hmm..mix node...
Old 17th September 2002
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i still havent hooked up my Sytek 4 channel [which comes out to about $200 a channel]... but i have used them before. not bad for $200/channel. be my 'utility' pres.
Old 17th September 2002
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aww man, alphajerk were you the one who got the sytek off e-bay? someone bought it flat out for 699. beat me to it. well have fun, those things are pretty spiffy.
Old 17th September 2002
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wasnt me... the buy now was $829 on eBay when i looked at it. i emailed Mike and he offered me one at a lower price. i got serial number 668, DAMN TWO freaking off. im a collector of 666 serials for gear.
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