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Crazy? Elec. git micing idea
Old 5th August 2002
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Crazy? Elec. git micing idea

I've been itching to try this - the idea hasn't left my mind for about 2 years now, but I don't know how to execute it safely:

I have these little AKG C-408 clip on phantom powered mics. They look exactly like tiny D112's but they sound better (lol). Very respectable sound from such small critters.

Anyhoo, the idea is to somehow clip them onto the body of an electric guitar, and try to mic the thing sort of the same way an acoustic guitar is mic'd at around the 12th/14th fret. Yep, I know the body of an electric guitar isn't going to resonate much (unless we're talking hollowbody) but the idea is to pick up the acoustic sound of the strings resonating when the pick runs across them. Then I want to blend this into the rest of that guitar's mix and see what happens.

What about the logistical problems though? I mean, where would I clip the AKG onto the guitar so that the strings could be mic'd? I want it to stay on during heavy playing and even when the guitar player is jumping around. I have thought about building a suction cup clamp with a tiny boom arm or gooseneck, on then end of which there's just something flat and skinny for the mic to clip onto. The suction cup would suck onto the body of the guitar and hopefully hold on for dear life. I wouldn't even have to drill holes into the guitar ! tut

So c'mon! Anybody ever tried this? If so, was the sound useable? Or should I just light one of my little AKG's on fire like my old bass player did? No kidding one of them is charred around the green band and the grille looks like a used cigarette filter. Still sounds good though!
Old 5th August 2002
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These little mikes are Evil!!!!!! i tell you Evil....

They ahve a really nasty boost of around 5-8db @ 10k thye bring up all the leakage from surrounding drums and cymbals etc..so we are back to the good old Senheisser 421..... kinda makes me wonder why we even left them??

However for that application it probalby will be the bomb!!!! check it out and report pls sir!
Old 5th August 2002
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The biggest problem with micing an electric acoustically is leakage. I've done it several times but if the guitarist breathes you have an entirely different track. Everything has to be pretty damn quiet...
Old 5th August 2002
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Interesting! Try useing one of those small transducers that you stick on the body{lilttle round thingys} of a acoustic guit..Bet this would get you better results..Hell I bet it would sound great stuck to a cabinet also..Good luck
Old 6th August 2002
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Why not try this with a PZM mic??? I done this several times with mixed results. Most of the time it's "too much", so I'll mute the pzm track accept for parts that I want a guitar charater to jump out (intro/ break down / pick up notes / etc) or sometimes add in very lightely. I first got into this when I heard "Into the Lungs of Hell" (instrumental on Mega's So Far, So Good, So What).
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..velly interesting...somewhere i read(many years back) about this same thing...except it was during fleetwood mac sessions...they(someone) had discovered a little tape type transducer....believe it was originally for measuring stress in pressure vessels(???not sure)..but they were taping em to everything...drums...lindsey buckinghams guitars...everything....think this was all in an old mix mag article...certainly someone with a better memory could clear it up....i did some recording years back where we used a crown pzm taped to the hardwood floor under a marshall cabinet and just bled in some of its noise to fatten the sound up a bit...it did turn out to be very musical noise BTW....peace
Old 6th August 2002
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no worrys

just nail them gentley into the neck (of the gtr)
use small nails or they come thro the other side..

Old 6th August 2002
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FWIW: I read somewhere that Frank Zappa had Bercus Berry's installed inside the neck of some of his guitars.

/Mats
Old 7th August 2002
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Well tonight I tried a little transd. type O' thing{Dean Markly}..I stuck it on the top of the peghead.Held in place with a capo for a clamp{sticky stuff was long since gone}..I used a Strat and for a amp I used a Marshall 1/2 stack{50 watt Jubilee}..Used a U5 Avalon DI to plug the Pickup into..Man cool sound on the guitar even had a little verb from the Vibrato springs!On the amp it was pretty good.. but I couldn't attach it to the back of the cab..So I just set the head on it to hold it down against the cab firmly..Back of the cab would be much better Im sure..Fun stuff!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Don
Well tonight I tried a little transd. type O' thing{Dean Markly}
So the Dean Markley thing.. is it a pickup or a mic? I thought they only made pickups, strings, etc., but not mics. I'm thinking that a mic will sound quite a bit different. I'll post back here when I get the chance to try it.
Old 7th August 2002
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Hey Jax,The Dean Markley thing is a pickup{round about the diam. of a quarter}...But not typical it is a "stethoscope" type of approch...It does not sit under the strings, it is stuck to the body of the guit..It gets its sound from the top of the guit viberateing..They are cheap $30.00 or so..Also after Sonic's comment on Buckingham's use ,the sound is slightly reminisent to his..Much cooler than useing something like a Parker Fly for that stringy not quite acoustic sound IMHO..Seems like it would mix well with a clean Vox amp type of thing for some real nice "jangle"..
Old 8th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Don
Also after Sonic's comment on Buckingham's use ,the sound is slightly reminisent to his..Much cooler than useing something like a Parker Fly for that stringy not quite acoustic sound IMHO..Seems like it would mix well with a clean Vox amp type of thing for some real nice "jangle"..
Awesome! Thanks Don, I'll try the DM pickups as well. I'm a big fan of Lindsey's sound, so if this gets me even vaguely close to it, I'll be happy .

Still haven't had a chance to try the AKG's yet.
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