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Any famous guitar players with Rheumatoid arthritis and Diabetes
Old 31st December 2009
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Any famous guitar players with Rheumatoid arthritis and Diabetes

Sorry for depressing topic, is it allright to post it here?

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Old 31st December 2009
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Not positive, but BB King might fit the criteria.

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Barry Gibb.

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I've seen BB do an ad for diabetes testing gear. He probably has type II as a result of weight issues. Jerry Garcia (among his many health problems) had type II for similar reasons.
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I guess Keith Richard has problem with R.A.
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Yeah Keith's hands look pretty bad.
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EVH had arthritis when I worked with him.

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Ronnie Laine played for a number of years after being diagnosed with MS.
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Famous Diabetics
Old 26th June 2013
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Courageous

Hey, I find your post courageous. I have RA and have been playing guitar since I was 10 (now 53). I know my playing days are numbered. It is like watching someone you love die. If this is too "negative" for someone, tough. Everyday of even tinkering for a bit, is a gift. I am thinking keyboards may be next for me, since the touch is lighter. Good luck, and peace to everyone.
Old 26th June 2013
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It's a relevant question for many of us. My son was diagnosed with RA at the age of 6. He was taking guitar lessons, but we switched to voice lessons when we got the diagnosis. Treatments have come a long way in the last couple of decades. Embrel has our son's arthritis 100% under control. If you have RA and haven't seen a doctor in a while, I encourage you to discuss treatments with a specialist.

Shep
Old 26th June 2013
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The sad thing is that most western diseases are self inflicted, and the "health professionals" are an outright scam designed to keep you unwell and purchase increasing amounts of poison "medication" until you die.

I ate junk - I got fat - I got type2 diabetes, tinnitus, various complications that probably included RA.

I got wise and gave it all up.

The basics of health are NOT taught by the "health" professionals. They are experts in disease and death - that is what you get from following conventional wisdom. You don't have to accept their wrong advice and become their victim.

Find your personal truth will be hard - but start seeking if you give a damn about anything.

To be healthy you need:
lots of sleep
lots of clean, toxin-free water (harder than you think)
protein - high quality protein - this can't be emphasised enough. Eggs, whey isolate, cottage cheese ... study, study, study ... massively boosts you immune system and repairs your body.
Minerals - learn how to find high quality FOOD (not pills) that is nutrient dense.
I would put good money on it that you are very deficient in magnesium and zinc ... find ways to get a LOT of cocoa powder into you WITHOUT sugar.
The junk food has to go, because that is what stripped your body of nutrients.
Exercise - sorry, there is no way around this. Plan to pack on as much muscle as you can - that is your life extension ...

Your disease, your death, your choice.
Old 26th June 2013 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Kiwi ➑️
The sad thing is that most western diseases are self inflicted
Garbage. I have RA since my teens and its genetic.

That's not to say a bad lifestyle isn't the cause of SOME peoples problems but dont spread garbage that it's curable.
Old 26th June 2013 | Show parent
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Hey, I find your post courageous. I have RA and have been playing guitar since I was 10 (now 53). I know my playing days are numbered. It is like watching someone you love die. If this is too "negative" for someone, tough. Everyday of even tinkering for a bit, is a gift. I am thinking keyboards may be next for me, since the touch is lighter. Good luck, and peace to everyone.
Hang in there, my brother.

And, don't forget, even if, at some future time, you have to backburner or give up your guitar playing entirely, there are still a number of ways available to make music.


One of my all time inspirations is Curtis Mayfield. I saw part of his last concert appearance (a free concert in an open amphitheater in my town) -- and was really elevated, really transported by the sheer joy of his musicmaking. (To this day, I cannot hear "Get On Up!" without hot tears streaming down my face. No lie.) The next day, preparing for a show across the country in New Jersey, I think, a stage accident injured him, paralyzing him, effectively, from, I think, the neck down.

He'd no longer be able to play his signature, ultra-funky guitar, of course, and he was confined to bed, on oxygen, but he still managed to pull it all together and create a final album, even though he had to sip oxygen in between takes.

We all have our struggles. It's the big struggles, the really tough ones, that make heroes out of people.

Curtis Mayfield will always be a hero to me.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi ➑️
The sad thing is that most western diseases are self inflicted, and the "health professionals" are an outright scam designed to keep you unwell and purchase increasing amounts of poison "medication" until you die.

I ate junk - I got fat - I got type2 diabetes, tinnitus, various complications that probably included RA.

I got wise and gave it all up.

The basics of health are NOT taught by the "health" professionals. They are experts in disease and death - that is what you get from following conventional wisdom. You don't have to accept their wrong advice and become their victim.

Find your personal truth will be hard - but start seeking if you give a damn about anything.

To be healthy you need:
lots of sleep
lots of clean, toxin-free water (harder than you think)
protein - high quality protein - this can't be emphasised enough. Eggs, whey isolate, cottage cheese ... study, study, study ... massively boosts you immune system and repairs your body.
Minerals - learn how to find high quality FOOD (not pills) that is nutrient dense.
I would put good money on it that you are very deficient in magnesium and zinc ... find ways to get a LOT of cocoa powder into you WITHOUT sugar.
The junk food has to go, because that is what stripped your body of nutrients.
Exercise - sorry, there is no way around this. Plan to pack on as much muscle as you can - that is your life extension ...

Your disease, your death, your choice.
This. "Doctors" aren't always as clever as they think. Add Vitamin K2 to the above.
Old 26th June 2013
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Be sceptical about doctors and the pharmaceutical industry, also be sceptical about people who claim to be able to cure or prevent things like RA through diet and lifestyle.
Old 26th June 2013
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Yes, don't trust the doctors and healthcare professionals. Take the advice of some guys on an Internet forum with some strange chip on their shoulder instead of these "Doctors".
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Be sceptical about doctors and the pharmaceutical industry, also be sceptical about people who claim to be able to cure or prevent things like RA through diet and lifestyle.
Ditto that.

No slag on either the medical establishment or alternative healing types, but I think a big dose of reasoned skepticism is a very, very helpful thing to have when one is dealing with issues that can be so easily manipulated -- or, simply, inadvertently and innocently distorted -- by fear or lack of knowledge.

The medical establishment may at times seem slow to provide working solutions, but they are slow, in large part, because they are bound by their ethos to proceed with caution, to not heedlessly engage in treatment paths that can harm. Some of those who come from outside the world of science and medicine to offer the promise of health that medicine seems unable to give have less than noble motives.

Where there has been pain and fear in human history there have always been some genuinely trying to help -- whatever their discipline, aproach, or chance of success -- but, sadly, there have always been others drawn to make a fast buck off the suffering and fear of others.


Always get a second opinion* and maybe a third. Don't 'shop' for a diagnosis you like, though. Find physicians (or alternative professionals you believe in, I suppose, if that is your chosen approach) you believe are knowledgeable and trustworthy, educate yourself on your condition to the extent you can, using credible, authoritative sources, but be realistic.

* I can walk without a cane today because I got a second opinion.

I have another friend who, over 25 years ago, almost had a major open heart surgery to replace a valve with a mechanical valve that would have needed to be replaced every x years but he got a second opinion -- actually from the jet set surgeon who had flown in to do the surgery, my buddy was all shaved and prepped when it was called off. The cardiologist who made the bad call is a very respected doc (there's even an adulatory book about him), and is still my buddy's cardio. He just made a bad call.

I have another friend who has 10 fingers and 2 whole hands because he got a second opinion and canceled already-scheduled surgery that would have cut off two fingers and part of his right hand to treat a relatively minor skin cancer. His second opinion doctor was incredulous and recommended filing a formal complaint.

I have another friend who didn't have approximately 30% of her intestines removed as her mother's doctor wanted to do. ("Oh, Dr X is fabulous! He does all our surgeries!") Turns out she had picked up intestinal parasites during a study abroad in Guadalajara, Mexico, she had amoebic dysentery, basically. Serious, but not cutting serious. Proper treatment for 6 weeks or so and she was a new woman. With all her insides.
Old 27th June 2013
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Originally Posted by Kiwi ➑️
The sad thing is that most western diseases are self inflicted, and the "health professionals" are an outright scam designed to keep you unwell and purchase increasing amounts of poison "medication" until you die.

I ate junk - I got fat - I got type2 diabetes, tinnitus, various complications that probably included RA.

I got wise and gave it all up.

The basics of health are NOT taught by the "health" professionals. They are experts in disease and death - that is what you get from following conventional wisdom. You don't have to accept their wrong advice and become their victim.

Find your personal truth will be hard - but start seeking if you give a damn about anything.

To be healthy you need:
lots of sleep
lots of clean, toxin-free water (harder than you think)
protein - high quality protein - this can't be emphasised enough. Eggs, whey isolate, cottage cheese ... study, study, study ... massively boosts you immune system and repairs your body.
Minerals - learn how to find high quality FOOD (not pills) that is nutrient dense.
I would put good money on it that you are very deficient in magnesium and zinc ... find ways to get a LOT of cocoa powder into you WITHOUT sugar.
The junk food has to go, because that is what stripped your body of nutrients.
Exercise - sorry, there is no way around this. Plan to pack on as much muscle as you can - that is your life extension ...

Your disease, your death, your choice.
Although a healthy lifestyle, good diet and exercise are key elements to good health, and will help one live a longer, healthier life, many illnesses are not self inflicted. I'm glad you got healthy - that is the best cure for being overweight and type II diabetes. If only every medical problem would respond like this!
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Garbage. I have RA since my teens and its genetic.

That's not to say a bad lifestyle isn't the cause of SOME peoples problems but dont spread garbage that it's curable.
That's a strong belief that are expressing, and if you strongly believe it that will become your personal truth, with all the consequences.

Voodoo sort of works this way: if you can convince the patient they are going to die, guess what happens.

I'm not trying to change your choice of life or death style - that is your personal choice. But I do want to share some of the hope that has changed my life for the better.

Genetics are not fatal. They can give a propensity in one direction - but you don't have to surrender to them.

We live in countries that insist on eating cheap grains and oils that are stripped of nutrients and poisoned with toxins and denatured with extreme heat and pressure. Our bodies aren't designed to process this ****, and inflammation is one of the results. Disease is a Dis-Ease. Something that disturbs your Ease. I

You can exercise your personal freedom to sit in a chair all day eating Mars bars and Diet Coke - and you are on a crash course for a multitude of dis-eases that will shorten your life. Regardless of genetics. I don't want to take away that personal freedom - enjoy it while it lasts.

It's a huge subject, and we are all different. There is so much misinformation out there - and to some people, what i'm saying may possibly not match their personal truth. I'm just saying you have options, and I personally would never surrender to a disease just because some guy with a day job tells me what he has been told by lawyers to tell you.

But we are all different. I respect that.
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That's a strong belief that are expressing, and if you strongly believe it that will become your personal truth, with all the consequences.
you mean "may" not "will". though the placebo effect and its negative, the nocebo effect, do exist and can be powerful, this all-or-nothing approach to health is nonsense.

sometimes **** happens and there is nothing you can do, and sometimes you can think and behave your way into illness. sometimes conventional medicine is amazing, sometimes it screws up badly. some healthy lifestyle choices are sound, and some are snake oil and fads.
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I think that the late Bert Jansch suffered with arthritis.

Also, not that well known, but pedal steel and guitar player Red Rhodes also suffered with arthritis and had to give up playing towards the end of the life. He played some beautiful steel on some of Mike Nesmith's albums in the 70's.
Old 28th June 2013
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I heard the reason Bob Dylan rarely plays guitar now due to Arthritis.
Old 28th June 2013
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Who (or what) is EVH?

And great thread - inspiration for all..

Gustav
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Who (or what) is EVH?


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I think that the late Bert Jansch suffered with arthritis.

Also, not that well known, but pedal steel and guitar player Red Rhodes also suffered with arthritis and had to give up playing towards the end of the life. He played some beautiful steel on some of Mike Nesmith's albums in the 70's.
I didn't know that about Jansch. My admiration for him has grown steadily over four and a half decades.


Sad to hear that about Red. I saw him in a duo appearance with Nesmith at some industry event back in the 80s and it was truly amazing. I'd always liked pedal steel but that day I saw just how extraordinary it could be. I kept thinking somehow of Jimi Hendrix's richer, slower playing -- in part, perhaps, because Nesmith -- a very charming and funny guy -- told some Hendrix stories from when Jimi and the Experience opened for the Monkees on the Experience's first US tour. (My favorite is Mike and Mickey or Peter or someone waiting for an elevator, talking excitedly about how Jimi was going to be joining them on the tour and all of a sudden the elevator opens up and there is Jimi with, as Nesmith said, purple light spiraling out of his eyes. heh )
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Old 28th June 2013
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I know nothing about RA but I saw an ad for a new drug the other day.

Xeljanz Oral Reviews and User Ratings: Effectiveness, Ease of Use, and Satisfaction
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Hang in there, my brother.

And, don't forget, even if, at some future time, you have to backburner or give up your guitar playing entirely, there are still a number of ways available to make music.


One of my all time inspirations is Curtis Mayfield. I saw part of his last concert appearance (a free concert in an open amphitheater in my town) -- and was really elevated, really transported by the sheer joy of his musicmaking. (To this day, I cannot hear "Get On Up!" without hot tears streaming down my face. No lie.) The next day, preparing for a show across the country in New Jersey, I think, a stage accident injured him, paralyzing him, effectively, from, I think, the neck down.

He'd no longer be able to play his signature, ultra-funky guitar, of course, and he was confined to bed, on oxygen, but he still managed to pull it all together and create a final album, even though he had to sip oxygen in between takes.

We all have our struggles. It's the big struggles, the really tough ones, that make heroes out of people.

Curtis Mayfield will always be a hero to me.
What a wonderful post.

In sharp contrast to the rest of the crap I read on this site today....

Kudo's to Curtis and to Blue1 for grabbing the dream....
Old 29th June 2013
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I think most people here are confusing Osteoarthritis (OA) with Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). Although they both have the word "arthritis" in their names, they're very different diseases. OA, the most common form of arthritis, is mainly age related and caused by "wear and tear" on the joints. RA is a relatively rare systemic autoimmune disease that primarily attacks the synovium, but also often attacks the internal organs: the heart, lungs, eyes and vascular system. These extra-articular manifestations are what lead to the increased mortality rates seen in Rheumatoid Arthritis. As others have mentioned, RA usually occurs at an earlier age and can strike children (Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis) and even infants. Not to say that OA isn't bad, but RA and the drugs used to treat it, mostly immuno-suppressants, are much more serious.

I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive that, with the exception of Red Rhodes, none of the musicians mentioned in this thread actually have Rheumatoid Arthritis. It's pretty obvious that Keith Richards has Osteoarthritis. If he had RA with hands that looked that bad he probably couldn't tie his shoes, let alone still play the guitar. From the Barry Gibb link above, that doesn't sound like RA either; you don't get RA from "playing too much tennis". EVH, Bob Dylan, Bert Jansch - from the information that's out there, all would appear to have OA too. Daniel Johns has Reactive Arthritis, something entirely different.

The link below is to a Rheumatologist's blog where he discusses Keith Richards' hands:

http://http://www.ronankavanagh.ie/musicians-health/learning-from-keith-richards-fingers-why-musicians-get-sore/

And if anybody wants to learn more about Rheumatoid Arthritis, Johns Hopkins has a good overview:

Rheumatoid Arthritis : Signs & Symptoms, Diagnosis and Treatment Information

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