The No.1 Website for Pro Audio
DAW what would you do? - of the day
Old 1st August 2002
  #1
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
DAW "what would you do?" - of the day

What follows below is slightly complicated, to the tune of which after posting basically this same post at the DUC, I got the equivalent of a lot of blank stares (no replies, save for one by a well-meaning but clueless individual grudge). If I get more blank stares here that's ok I guess fuuck, but I have witnessed more of a communal, good samaritan attitude about the GS forums. Hopefully, that's enough buttering you guys up to get some good responses heh.


I've been considering some changes to my current DAW setups, which are:

DAW I
- PT Mix
- G4 450
- 888 fed AES from Mytek 8X96 (at 44.1 or 48 of course)
- Waves plugs

DAW II
- Samplitude Producer 24/96
- 1.5 ghz PC
- RME Hammerfall fed ADAT Optical from Mytek 8X96


The first option is selling 3 out of 4 Mytek's (keeping one 8X96 AD) and trading in my Mix core and 888 to my dealer, PLUS about $1600 more, for:

- PTHD
- 192 w/DA card
- D-SUB cabling included, one of which would be AES, for connecting the Mytek AD to the 192 (192's can only do either 16 AD with 8 DA or vice versa, but they can also do 8 channels AES at the same time)
- I can probably get the dealer to throw in the Ren. Vox/Bass/DeEsser package which would enable all my current Waves plugs for use in HD

The second option is keeping all my beautiful Myteks and my PT Mix rig, and selling the 888. That $ would be used to buy an ADAT Bridge for getting the Myteks into PT. But then it becomes an either/or situation... I could only use one or the other at a time between the PT rig and Samp rig. In this case I might sell the PC with Samp and Hammerfall.

Another difference is, by going with option #1 (PTHD), I could have the best of two DAW worlds: optically connect the 192 to the Hammerfall card AND run my PTHD rig at the same time, with each system digitally patched into the other.

The sacrifice in the above scenario is that 3 out of 4 of the Mytek's would be gone. That means putting a lot of my trust into the 192 AD DA sonic worthiness, because I know how much I like the sound of the Myteks, which would be A LOT.

My major concerns are:

1) being stuck with a 44.1/48k PT rig that will be worth very little in the not too distant future, with questionable future support for the system

2) I know this is a non-issue to lots of people and for lots of valid reasons, but I do believe having the ability to record at 88.2, 96, 176.4, and 192 will become increasingly important as time goes on. People may not be asking for 96k yet, but I think it's just a matter of time.

So, if you've followed this far, what would you do?

Thanks for your replies!
Old 1st August 2002
  #2
Lives for gear
 
StoneinaPond's Avatar
 
1 Review written
🎧 15 years
Yes.
Old 2nd August 2002
  #3
Gear Guru
 
NathanEldred's Avatar
 
7 Reviews written
🎧 15 years
Are you recording more than 24 tracks into the DAW simlutaneously right now? I'm sure the new Digi A/D/A is much better than the 888's which are what....6-7 years old? You could always dedicate the less important mics to the Digi ADC like toms, hh, tamborine, whatever you are using tracks 25-32 for (I'd seriously like to know, really). As far as D/A, same story. Just get a good clock (Aardsync II comes to mind which will work for PT or Native WC), or use the Mytek clock into a WC distributor so everything in your chain in off the same clock. A 1.5 Ghz computer isn't going to cut it for Native either if you plan on using it for the amount of tracks you are talking about. I am using a 1.9 PIV with 512 mghz of SDRAM and I'm lucky if I get 32 tracks of 32 bit float/44.1 with a few native plug ins (not counting the UA plugs which I can get about 9 1176 or La2a which is overkill for me for the most part anyway).

Basically if you want sound quality and don't give a rats ass about the name go with Samp and the UAD-1 card. It's the best sonics on the market that I am aware of. If you want to draw clients and be compatible with the big dogs then get the ProTools Mix plus system. You have excellent conversion, so you are starting off ahead of many pro tools users systems on the market that may be using 888's or standard Apogee's.
Old 2nd August 2002
  #4
Lives for gear
 
C.Lambrechts's Avatar
 
🎧 15 years
just a couple of random thoughts ....


1. imho higher sample rates are a LONG way off to becoming standard.

2. whatever choice you make .... which system will make you the most money .... are you client depended ... even in some degree .... then think about what your clients would be willing to work on .... in other words .... they will most likely pay a part of that system.

3. staying current is good ... but like in any investment .... staying current is only possible when you make enough money to afford it. It is not about worrying if system X is going to be unsupported or obsolete in x time .... it is about wether that system will have made you enough money to perform an upgrade by the time it gets there ....
Old 2nd August 2002
  #5
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by StoneinaPond
Yes.
blank stare #402
Old 2nd August 2002
  #6
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by C.Lambrechts


1. imho higher sample rates are a LONG way off to becoming standard.
I know it will probably be a long time before higher SR's become standard. My concern is more to do with what clients will be asking for, simply because they read about PTHD in industry mags, word of mouth, etc.

Quote:

2. whatever choice you make .... which system will make you the most money .... are you client depended ... even in some degree .... then think about what your clients would be willing to work on
Clients are looking for PT. I'm just not sure if they will soon be looking for PTHD studios instead of PT Mix. I think they are at least as subject to marketing hype as any gearslut can be, myself included. I basically don't want to lose business to studios simply because they have PTHD and I don't. Client loyalty isn't as strong for me yet as the equipment attraction factor is to them.

Quote:

3. staying current is good ... but like in any investment ... staying current is only possible when you make enough money to afford it. It is not about worrying if system X is going to be unsupported or obsolete in x time .... it is about wether that system will have made you enough money to perform an upgrade by the time it gets there ....
That's some valuable perspective . Still not sure whether I should try to protect my studio by having what I think they will be looking for, or continuing to make the most of what I have. It's a tough spot to be in, and I can't afford to upgrade my PT rig unless I sell the converters that make it sound good. Maybe therein lies the answer... but I'm not sure yet.

Thanks for the reply! Gets me looking at it differently.
Old 2nd August 2002
  #7
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by NathanEldred
Are you recording more than 24 tracks into the DAW simlutaneously right now?
Nope. 16-20 at most.

Quote:
Basically if you want sound quality and don't give a rats ass about the name go with Samp and the UAD-1 card. It's the best sonics on the market that I am aware of. If you want to draw clients and be compatible with the big dogs then get the ProTools Mix plus system. You have excellent conversion, so you are starting off ahead of many pro tools users systems on the market that may be using 888's or standard Apogee's.
Recording with the Myteks is a joy, so I'm not sure I can give them up for the latest, greatest Digi hardware. I have doubts that the 192 will sound as good, so I may be best off renting a 192 to audition against my Myteks. That should help me decide.
Old 2nd August 2002
  #8
Founder
 
Jules's Avatar
Wait a while.... (I reckon you have a year)

BTW, have you heard a Mytec at 96k ever?

Old 2nd August 2002
  #9
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Wait a while.... (I reckon you have a year)

BTW, have you heard a Mytec at 96k ever?

I bought the PC/Hammerfall rig running Samplitude 24/96 specifically so that I could record at 88.2 and 96k.
So yes, I have heard the Myteks (are Mytec's something different?) at 96k. They're beautiful sounding up there or all the way down at 44.1

Have you heard them?
Old 2nd August 2002
  #10
Moderator emeritus
 
🎧 15 years
You know, I wouldn't worry at all about 96K at this point unless you're doing mostly classical music. And if you were, I doubt that you'd be doing it on Pro Tools. Except for a very, very few high profile projects (A live Elton John comes to mind), I haven't even heard of mig budget pop music being recorded at 96K.

Second, remember that at 96K you'd be using twice the disk space - are your clients willing to pay for that?.

Third, I wouldn't worry about your PT rig becoming worthless - it's already lost most of it's original value - even the Apogee's are worth a lot less than you paid for them.

I can tell you what I'm doing (PT Mix+, two 888/24's). I'm continuing to use the PT rig, and will do so until it dies for reasons beyond my control. After all, according to the magazines, linear recording on tape is dead. But I'm still making money with 56 tracks of DA-88's and 78's.

Remember that there's a difference between obsolescent and obsolete.
Old 5th August 2002
  #11
Founder
 
Jules's Avatar
"yes, I have heard the Myteks at 96k. They're beautiful sounding up there or all the way down at 44.1

Have you heard them?"

No.

I haven't heard my Prism's at 96k yet either.

All I have heard on a DAW at 96k was a PTHD demo session... I dug the extra 'depth' to the overall sound and the fancy extra HF 'zing' on the cymbals...

96k on a Cranesong Hedd sounds VERY good too.

I would prefer to get that 96k depth & zing available in my studio before the end of 2,003 for sure.

Work work spend spend

Old 5th August 2002
  #12
Lives for gear
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally posted by Jules

I haven't heard my Prism's at 96k yet either.
Dude! Hook up two mics in front of the next drumset in your studio - hopefully with a good drummer playing it - then capture the result going Prism AES -> your Masterlink! If the drummer asks what the hell you're doing just tell him you're testing something. No need to think about using these tracks with the rest of the session... this would be just so you can hear those babies at 96k!

Please do it and tell us what you heard. I have never heard the Prisms either. heh
Old 5th August 2002
  #13
Founder
 
Jules's Avatar
Hmm....

I would need to futz about with the configuration...

Change cards from 16 A/D + 2 PT interfaces (16 ins to PT)

to ????? 16 A/D to 16 AES?

But I have no 96k DAW set up to blend the tracks within

So I could just send 2 mic's to the Masterlink via AES if I pulled out one of the PT interfaces and wired up a loom for the AES D connector....

Total PITA

Nah.... Digital 96k multi mic operation needs a 96K board or DAW mixer IMHO! It needs to be hooked up to PTHD or Nuendo or some such..

grudge
Old 31st May 2011 | Show parent
  #14
Lives for gear
 
stinkyfingers's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
use your ears heh
Old 31st May 2011 | Show parent
  #15
Moderator
 
psycho_monkey's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyfingers ➑️
use your ears heh
9 years old post...record bump?! for that?

(now cue a load of well meaning yet misguided posts advising the OP, who's hopefully made up his mind by now...)
Old 31st May 2011 | Show parent
  #16
Lives for gear
 
stinkyfingers's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
πŸ“ Reply

Similar Threads

Thread / Thread Starter Replies / Views Last Post
replies: 295 views: 71389
Avatar for anguswoodhead
anguswoodhead 26th March 2013
replies: 15929 views: 1525516
Avatar for Ragan
Ragan 11th January 2019
replies: 1296 views: 176840
Avatar for heraldo_jones
heraldo_jones 1st February 2016
Post Reply

Welcome to the Gearspace Pro Audio Community!

Registration benefits include:
  • The ability to reply to and create new discussions
  • Access to members-only giveaways & competitions
  • Interact with VIP industry experts in our guest Q&As
  • Access to members-only sub forum discussions
  • Access to members-only Chat Room
  • Get INSTANT ACCESS to the world's best private pro audio Classifieds for only USD $20/year
  • Promote your eBay auctions and Reverb.com listings for free
  • Remove this message!
You need an account to post a reply. Create a username and password below and an account will be created and your post entered.


 
 
Slide to join now Processing…

Forum Jump
Forum Jump