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Old 16th April 2021
  #691
I picked up the CLA-200 amp for my original NS-10's yesterday. It actually sounds really good. Not quite as bright and powerful as a 4B but a very good sounding amp IMO. It def gets the job done in my room. NS10's are my 3rd set of speakers so I don't spend a ton of time on them like I used to do a few years ago. I'd recommend the amp for anyone who's looking to stay under $1k.
Old 24th May 2021
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So, I might be getting a pair of NS-10's as my "small" speaker for my room. I have two Amphion amps: The 500 and 700. Right now I'm using the 700 with my Two 15's but I love the way the Two 15's sound with the 500 so I have no problem switching them off and using the NS-10 with 700.

Anybody here ever try NS-10's with the Amphion Amp 700?
Old 24th May 2021 | Show parent
  #693
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Thread is long! My experience - I picked up a pair of NS-10m’s and was driving them with a NAD 2155 (NAD 3020 as pre). They sounded harsh and shrill and delivered all of the horrifying forwardness in the upper mids of legend. I switched out the 2155 for a Yamaha AX592 - decoupled to run as a power amp only, so 2 x 100w monoblocks.

Night and day!!

The soundstage opened up and their 3D imaging is great. Feed your NS-10’s with lots of power people. Like a lot of Yamaha speakers they are very revealing of their chains.

I wonder how much bad press is a function of chains where people are used to hearing their speakers, as opposed to hearing what is behind them?

NS-10’s...true love at second sight : )
Old 25th May 2021 | Show parent
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Thread is long! My experience - I picked up a pair of NS-10m’s and was driving them with a NAD 2155 (NAD 3020 as pre). They sounded harsh and shrill and delivered all of the horrifying forwardness in the upper mids of legend. I switched out the 2155 for a Yamaha AX592 - decoupled to run as a power amp only, so 2 x 100w monoblocks.

Night and day!!

The soundstage opened up and their 3D imaging is great. Feed your NS-10’s with lots of power people. Like a lot of Yamaha speakers they are very revealing of their chains.

I wonder how much bad press is a function of chains where people are used to hearing their speakers, as opposed to hearing what is behind them?

NS-10’s...true love at second sight : )
Exactly. Drive NS10s - hopefully they are Yamaha NS-10M Studios - with a Yamaha amp and you'll have a great sound.

I've got two pairs now, powered by two different Yamaha amps, and I don't want anything else. You can add a sub to give it a touch of boom and bang, but you'll only need very, very little of it.
Old 25th May 2021 | Show parent
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Exactly. Drive NS10s - hopefully they are Yamaha NS-10M Studios - with a Yamaha amp and you'll have a great sound.

I've got two pairs now, powered by two different Yamaha amps, and I don't want anything else. You can add a sub to give it a touch of boom and bang, but you'll only need very, very little of it.
Ah they are not the Studios, they are the plain NS-10M - first run

But I do have a pair of NS-30T’s arriving on Friday! The excitement is real
Old 25th May 2021 | Show parent
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Ah they are not the Studios, they are the plain NS-10M - first run

But I do have a pair of NS-30T’s arriving on Friday! The excitement is real
Right! I know nothing about the NS-30Ts except for what I just read on the net... I wasn't aware of this model but, back, in the 80s, I had a pair of largish 3-way Yamaha hifi speakers with the most incredible wooden finish. The idiot that I was, I sold them... These days, they'd be worth their weight in gold.

You probably know of this site:

http://www.ns-10m.com/buying.html
Old 25th May 2021 | Show parent
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Right! I know nothing about the NS-30Ts except for what I just read on the net... I wasn't aware of this model but, back, in the 80s, I had a pair of largish 3-way Yamaha hifi speakers with the most incredible wooden finish. The idiot that I was, I sold them... These days, they'd be worth their weight in gold.

You probably know of this site:

http://www.ns-10m.com/buying.html
Ahhh! I wonder what they were? OOops : /

I shall start a thread about the NS-30T's if they are interesting enough to warrant it. They have a reputation in some circles as being the best 2-way speaker that Yamaha ever built. Well I am not sure about that but the curiosity is killing me!

^Thanks for the site, I did not know it
Old 25th May 2021 | Show parent
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A bit of trivia:

"We were only interested in achieving the cleanest, most natural reproduction possible.
As it turned out, what we were trying to achieve was precisely what the audio production professionals were looking for."

http://pdf.muzyczny.pl/msp10st_interview.pdf

A scientific paper on the NS10M:

"The other very significant aspect of the performance of the NS10M is seen in the waterfall plot in Figure 3(36). No other loudspeaker shown in Figure 3 shows a shorter low-frequency decay time; indeed, such a rapid decay is usually only found in large, high quality, full-range monitor systems."

"What is also very significant is that many of the loudspeakers tested exhibit rather long low-frequency decay times (Figure 3) as a consequence of the use of both reflex enclosures and electronic protection filters. This has often been done in an attempt to get an extended low frequency performance at relatively high SPLs from small enclosures. Recent work carried out at the ISVR on the audibility of high- pass protection filtering has suggested that filters acting above 30Hz are perceived to audibly colour the sound. One consistent complaint from mastering engineers has been that from the less advanced studios, a common problem due to poor monitoring is a mis-balance in the relative mix of the bass guitar and bass drum that cannot be corrected by equalisation at a later stage. These mis-balances are almost certainly due to time-related response problems in the mixing environment at low frequencies."

https://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.cloudfront.net...ry/n/ns10m.pdf
Old 28th May 2021
  #699
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i'm using a mesa/boogie 50/50 to power up ns10

https://youtu.be/9Hf5hcmrZcM
Old 5th August 2021 | Show parent
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What would y’all think between these 3 amps for NS10 Studio monitors?

1) Yamaha PC1002
2) Adcom 545
3) Sony 55ES

4) Crown D75A (which I actually have for some Auratones, but could switch it up)
Old 5th August 2021 | Show parent
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What would y’all think between these 3 amps for NS10 Studio monitors?

1) Yamaha PC1002
2) Adcom 545
3) Sony 55ES

4) Crown D75A (which I actually have for some Auratones, but could switch it up)
I do not think that the Crown would have the heft you might want, but any of the first three would do very nicely : )
Old 28th September 2021 | Show parent
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Hi! It would be great if anyone could help me with this one. I have NS-10M Studio monitors and an amplifier Samson Servo 550 Studio amplifier. Anybody knows if I can connect these two together?

Any help appreciated!

P.S.

Copied Specs from oficial page of the amplifier Samson Servo 550:

Servo-controlled, 3-space rack-mount stereo and mono-bridgeable power amp
Produces 275 watts per channel into 4 ohms (stereo mode) and 550 watts into 8 ohms (bridged mono mode)
Wide, linear 20 Hz to 50 kHz frequency response for superior sonic performance
Fully balanced 1/4" inputs
Balanced 1/4" and binding post outputs
Relay-controlled power-on circuitry prevents speaker "thumps"
Front-panel Clip, Idle, Protection and Power LEDs
Bipolar output stage for quiet audio performance you can always count on
Independent left and right input level controls with 41 detents
Convection-cooled design eliminates fan noise
Old 28th September 2021 | Show parent
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Hi! It would be great if anyone could help me with this one. I have NS-10M Studio monitors and an amplifier Samson Servo 550 Studio amplifier. Anybody knows if I can connect these two together?

Any help appreciated!

P.S.

Copied Specs from oficial page of the amplifier Samson Servo 550:

Servo-controlled, 3-space rack-mount stereo and mono-bridgeable power amp
Produces 275 watts per channel into 4 ohms (stereo mode) and 550 watts into 8 ohms (bridged mono mode)
Wide, linear 20 Hz to 50 kHz frequency response for superior sonic performance
Fully balanced 1/4" inputs
Balanced 1/4" and binding post outputs
Relay-controlled power-on circuitry prevents speaker "thumps"
Front-panel Clip, Idle, Protection and Power LEDs
Bipolar output stage for quiet audio performance you can always count on
Independent left and right input level controls with 41 detents
Convection-cooled design eliminates fan noise
Sure - just do _not_ turn it up very far at all
Old 29th September 2021 | Show parent
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Sure - just do _not_ turn it up very far at all
Thank you!
Old 3rd October 2021 | Show parent
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Updated first post with more info and pictures.

EDIT; This post #2 might contain more in-depth information about amps and NS10 tech later..

NS10m
Program 60 watts, 120 watt max into 8 ohms.
For my setup with NS 10s, I use a 27 year old Bryston 2-B (up to spec) and works perfectly fine for my mixes. I mix at a conversational volume and get great results! I occasionally slightly crank them and the 60 watts they pump out are plenty for me! I think getting a 250 or higher power amp is overkill unless you mix on the loud side. For me, if it sounds good on the lower volume side, it should sound good when you crank them.
Old 14th October 2021 | Show parent
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I do not think that the Crown would have the heft you might want, but any of the first three would do very nicely : )
Any thoughts on which of the three might be most revealing for mixing? Thank you
Old 14th October 2021 | Show parent
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Any thoughts on which of the three might be most revealing for mixing? Thank you
Gosh, honestly I have no idea, so you might want to dig around online and see if you can find any report about this that come across as reliable. Look also for reports on fan noise and transformer hum and whatnot if these matter to you : )
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the original sub for NS10 was YST-SW100, smaller version was YST-SW50, the best Yamaha sub was SW10, I also recommed Tannoy TS10 and Miller Kreisel subwoofers
Yamaha sw10 subwoofer ????????
I can't find that on google ?
Is this the right model reference?
I am looking for the best suwoofer for my NS10 speakers.
Cheers
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Anyone know how the Avantone copies compare?
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Anyone know how the Avantone copies compare?
Theyere amazing, tweak the knobs on the back and they sound just like ns10s with a bryson 4b imo
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Theyere amazing, tweak the knobs on the back and they sound just like ns10s with a bryson 4b imo
Did they make another version of the passives? The passives I tried didn’t have any knobs on the back and were way too bright/harsh to be NS10 replacements.

The active version that came after sound much more in the pocket and have the VTPC knob on the back to control the high end. Already had the one18’s by then.

Settled on the one18’s as replacements for my NS10’s. Mostly because they began to pop up in facilities I worked at. But also because they remind me of a modern, new and improved NS10. Not much of a learning curve from what I’ve been doing for two decades.
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Did they make another version of the passives? The passives I tried didn’t have any knobs on the back and were way too bright/harsh to be NS10 replacements.

The active version that came after sound much more in the pocket and have the VTPC knob on the back to control the high end. Already had the one18’s by then.

Settled on the one18’s as replacements for my NS10’s. Mostly because they began to pop up in facilities I worked at. But also because they remind me of a modern, new and improved NS10. Not much of a learning curve from what I’ve been doing for two decades.
I have the Two 15 and One 15's. To my ears, no Amphion speaker sounds nearly as harsh in the mid and upper mid range as the NS-10's do. NS-10's are pretty nasty sounding, honestly. Amphions are much more full bodied and more hi fi.
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NS-10's are pretty nasty sounding, honestly.
I keep reading this sort of thing and I never understand it. What kind of NS-10s are we talking about? The original ones which needed toilet tissue for taming HF content, or the much more refined NS-1OM Studio, intended to be placed horizontally?

I have two pairs of NS-1OM Studio. One pair is a little brighter-sounding than the other. However, they will only sound "nasty" if I put something nasty through them. Personally, I think most monitors are too flattering and don't provide you with an accurate representation.
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can someone give my advice i keep hearing how the NS 10 's need to be driven hard with an amp does that mean i should have the amp volume knob pumped up, i usually just have the knob set to the 50% mark and leave it - just wondering if it's better to have the amp running low , medium or high for NS 10s.
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the original sub for NS10 was YST-SW100, smaller version was YST-SW50, the best Yamaha sub was SW10, I also recommed Tannoy TS10 and Miller Kreisel subwoofers
Hello,
Really not easy to find the old YST-SW100 in the second hand market ??!!

So do you confirm that the SW10 can also a good sub-woofer for the NS10?

Thanks for your help

Sergio
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can someone give my advice i keep hearing how the NS 10 's need to be driven hard with an amp does that mean i should have the amp volume knob pumped up, i usually just have the knob set to the 50% mark and leave it - just wondering if it's better to have the amp running low , medium or high for NS 10s.
same question here.
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can someone give my advice i keep hearing how the NS 10 's need to be driven hard with an amp does that mean i should have the amp volume knob pumped up, i usually just have the knob set to the 50% mark and leave it - just wondering if it's better to have the amp running low , medium or high for NS 10s.
No, this has to be a misunderstanding. You should get an amp that has plenty of power but run it at low volume levels. The NS-10s were originally designed as hifi speakers to sit on bookshelves, they aren’t meant to be driven hard at all. If you pair them with a Yamaha hifi amp you’ll get a good, clean sound.
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I keep reading this sort of thing and I never understand it. What kind of NS-10s are we talking about? The original ones which needed toilet tissue for taming HF content, or the much more refined NS-1OM Studio, intended to be placed horizontally?

I have two pairs of NS-1OM Studio. One pair is a little brighter-sounding than the other. However, they will only sound "nasty" if I put something nasty through them. Personally, I think most monitors are too flattering and don't provide you with an accurate representation.
I had the horizontal. I had them for years and sold them. Extremely fatiguing and I blew the woofers constantly on them if I played it too loud (which also contributed to the fatigue). I was not using a Bryston with them -- it was an older amp I had at the time. This was also 20 years ago and I think if I sat down now with my knowledge of mixing that I would probably love them. I have a buddy who has the 10M and loves them...

The NS-10's are very revealing and unforgiving in the mid range. But as we all know, they don't give an accurate picture of the low end. So the trade off is this zeroing in on the mid range which is very important but without knowing how it's working out below 100hz. This is why adding a sub is very in fashion these days with them.

Amphions have more low end, which flattens out the spectrum more so they don't sound as pure mid range as the NS-10. They're also brighter above 10khz vs the NS-10's. They're not bandwidth limited.
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I had the horizontal. I had them for years and sold them. Extremely fatiguing and I blew the woofers constantly on them if I played it too loud (which also contributed to the fatigue). I was not using a Bryston with them -- it was an older amp I had at the time. This was also 20 years ago and I think if I sat down now with my knowledge of mixing that I would probably love them. I have a buddy who has the 10M and loves them...

The NS-10's are very revealing and unforgiving in the mid range. But as we all know, they don't give an accurate picture of the low end. So the trade off is this zeroing in on the mid range which is very important but without knowing how it's working out below 100hz. This is why adding a sub is very in fashion these days with them.

Amphions have more low end, which flattens out the spectrum more so they don't sound as pure mid range as the NS-10. They're also brighter above 10khz vs the NS-10's. They're not bandwidth limited.
Right.

The NS-10M are low on distortion and extremely phase-consistent. I find them so much less-fatiguing than any other monitor I’ve ever used which is why I got rid of all of them. If your music doesn’t sound good on NS-10s - well, it doesn’t sound good.

You mention the low end and I think that’s where the NS-10s are particularly revealing, due to their closed design. These days, easily 99% of all monitors are bass-reflex designs and people are used to that sound. It is an inaccurate, boomy, mushy sound that obscures the true tonality of a song…. You never really hear the bass note but some kind of wobbly, hollow-sounding, boomy noise. It actually is quite bad and once you become aware of it, you can’t un-hear it.

In my studio I’ve added a smallish Yamaha subwoofer to get an idea of what the very lowest frequencies are doing but the volume is set very low, just a touch. It sounds great on any material I put through the system.

To be fair, if you’re into dance music and want to listen at elevated volume levels, I don’t think NS-10s are a good choice. They will distort and eventually you’re going to blow out some speakers. IME, NS-10s excel with pop/country/folk and classical music.
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No, this has to be a misunderstanding. You should get an amp that has plenty of power but run it at low volume levels. The NS-10s were originally designed as hifi speakers to sit on bookshelves, they aren’t meant to be driven hard at all. If you pair them with a Yamaha hifi amp you’ll get a good, clean sound.
ok thats helpful so i have a Yorkville ProAudio 500 which is more of a power amp that is 250w per channel at 4 ohms but i also have a Rotel RA-870BX which is more of a stereo integrated amp 80 watts per channel load impedance says 4 to 16 ohms. Just curious if you or anyone here would have a feeling on which amp is better to go with. i included pics for anyone who may have insight would be appreciated.
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