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Amek vs. Phoenix preamps
Old 26th July 2002
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Amek vs. Phoenix preamps

OK,
Both of these are from what I've heard (only) in the Neve sound range (and the 9098 was developed by R. Neve himself), both are transformerless and I've read both being described as more open than the 1073's. So how are they different? and if you've only tried one how do you like it? and how is the eq on the 9098?
Thanks
Old 26th July 2002
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The 9098 sounds _nothing_ like a 1073 or older Neve. It's closer to the ISA110 which is also a RN design. It's much cleaner and sweeter then a 1073, 1081 or 1064. To be totally honest the only 9098 I've used is the pre/EQ and while I liked the EQ a lot the pre didn't really knock me out on anything. But, it was in a room with tons of stuff including API, old Neve, ADM, Telefunkens, Helios and things of that nature. The EQ was very cool and almost worth the cost IMHO. I haven't tried the 9098 CIB yet and I hear that it's a totally different animal. Still, if a channel or two of the 9098 pre/EQ's fell into my lap for a great price I'd use them on something.
Old 26th July 2002
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They are both transformerless on the input, not the output. The 9098 is just sorta clean and neutral, a little bit ballsy. The Phoenix DRS-2 is smooth and clear, but has generally has much more character than the 9098, but not as much as a 1073 (the DRS-2 was an original design...I wouldn't use a 1073 on an orchestra, I would however use the DRS-2 on one, so you can see it's quite fundamentally different than a Neve). It can approach the 1073 sound somewhat though if the input is pushed, but it's not quite the same and is in many ways it's tone is broader, deeper, and clearer with more headroom. Both are a damn good deal for what they give you. I would rather have a Phoenix, but I would possibly want the 9098 second for a different color (or mostly lack of).
Old 26th July 2002
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We've both mentioned the Phoenix pre in other forums and I'm glad to see it come up here. Anybody who records to digital should give this thing a whirl. Everything I've put into it (so far male and female vox, piano, ac and electric gtr) comes out sounding gorgeous--smooth, creamy, 3-dimensional, inviting, with absolutely no bad aftertaste. Life is grand.

Rick Krizman
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Old 26th July 2002
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I don't own a Phoenix Audio DRS-2 but I do own the GTQ2. The pre is incredible and the eq adds just the right frequencies to make it as versatile as it is kickass.
Old 28th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by NathanEldred
The Phoenix is smooth and clear, but has generally has much more character than the 9098, but not as much as a 1073.
I have been looking at the Phoenix myself but haven't heard one yet. But if it is suppose to resemble a 1073 I can't imagine it could sound any smoother than my Great River NV.

I could have used Ricks description of the Phonenix in describing the MP-2nv. The only difference is I don't have to say a word, its the musicians that come into the control room who are in love.

Nathan have you heard a Great River and know how the Phoenix sounds in comparison ?

Lee
Old 28th July 2002
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How do they compare to the vintech X73 pres?
Old 28th July 2002
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9098 yummy

the 9098 is a grand thing but it is maybe misleading to compare
it to vintage equipment ... it is more comaparable to say
a focusrite or maybe ssl ?I personally prefer it to the focusrite
as it is more musical..the pre is like the pre on one of these modern desk/eq-strips...

considering u can get one for around Β£850 its a great deal
but as i say a different fish to a vintage thang.

the hi end has a natty sheen button
the lo end has a tastey glo button




also they are a nice colour (visually)
the amek 9098 desk is a bit of a treat as well
but hard to find
an intresting choice tho and very good architekture heh
i luvvum


worryingley i dont know what the phenix is ?



666
Old 29th July 2002
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Originally posted by 20db.com


I have been looking at the Phoenix myself but haven't heard one yet. But if it is suppose to resemble a 1073 I can't imagine it could sound any smoother than my Great River NV.
It doesn't really resemble a 1073 sonically, it has some minor influence from it, but that's as far as it goes...it's definitely it's own thing. Much more OPEN than a 1073. Less EQ cut is required in the low mids for clarity. Less obvious coloration also than a 1073. "Smoother" is a really subjective word...what's smoother a piece of silk, a piece of satin, or velvet?

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Nathan have you heard a Great River and know how the Phoenix sounds in comparison ?
Yes, but I can't really describe this in words IMO. The best I can do is more aggressive and slightly more colored (NV...especially in 300 ohms) and not aggressive (DRS-2) (Note: What this means to you might mean something completely different to me, so this is really a bone head answer on my part), with the NV having more obvious low end and more coloration. An analogy would be a comparison between a large diaphram and small diaphram mic. In general small diaphrams seem to be flatter in the lows, large diaphrams tend to puff up in the lows at certain frequency points. Does this make one better or worse? Not at all, and I wouldn't want my studio to be without large and small diaphrams of all different types. The NV, DRS-2, and X73 all compliment each other quite well kind of like Guinness and Bass.
Old 29th July 2002
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Originally posted by JFernandez
How do they compare to the vintech X73 pres?
To me they sound nothing alike. I found the X73 to be odd and artificial sounding and sent it back after a few weeks (and I have certainly used and enjoyed 1073's). The DRS-2, OTOH, probably sounds too good to be true. Maybe as I get more sophisticated I won't use it on everything, but for now...

-Rick
Old 29th July 2002
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Originally posted by 20db.com
I have been looking at the Phoenix myself but haven't heard one yet. But if it is suppose to resemble a 1073 I can't imagine it could sound any smoother than my Great River NV.
They're different sounds, that complement each other in a really beautiful manner... sorta like chocolate and raspberries...
Old 30th July 2002
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Originally posted by Fletcher


They're different sounds, that complement each other in a really beautiful manner... sorta like chocolate and raspberries...
Wow, what an incredibly sensitive answer!
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