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Old 10th February 2009
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Give Us The Name Of The Company

I'll be the first to admit that I'm a relative newbie. I'm not a professional.

But, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only guy on this forum that every once in a while has wondered why posters don't take the time (literally just a few keystrokes) to include the manufacturer's name (i.e., company name) when discussing gear, especially when discussing gear that is less well-known.

Let me give you an example from a thread about signal chains: "You might think about running a CMC-5 or VM1KHE or C451 thru a HV3C or M-1 or MSS-10, and then through either a 33609 or MEC1A."

Huh? The only two I could identify from the above list were the 33609 (Neve) and the C451 (AKG). For me, and probably a good number of others reading the post, most of the information in that post was useless (unless we took the time to do a google search on the model numbers in order to get the company name).

Is this practice of providing only the model numbers in posts about gear a form of snobbery, or simply a more efficient way of getting the info across? Is there anyone else who would like posters to include the manufacturer's name in posts about gear, or at least with respect to gear that is not particularly well-known?
Old 10th February 2009
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I'm not the person who posted the example you mention, but every one of those pieces you mentioned are fairly well-known pieces that are discussed around here quite a bit (with the possible exception of the Schoeps). I don't think it has anything to do with gear snobbery...I think that people just don't even think to type the manufacturer's name. I know I don't, unless I'm talking about some relatively obscure piece. What it really comes down to is probably the "at least with respect to gear that is not particularly well-known" part of your question...who's to say what's really "well known"?
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that particular example does smell of BS though - the schoeps is actually just the body, need to specify the capsule as well to make any sense!

I'd consider that I'd heard of most things, but quite a few of those numbers aren't everyday things - we're not exactly talking 58s and 1073s here.
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Just google it man. That should clear up most of the confusion. Maybe put the model # and "audio" for searches that pull up a million results.

Google is your friend.

Old 10th February 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by days ➑️
Is this practice of providing only the model numbers in posts about gear a form of snobbery, or simply a more efficient way of getting the info across? Is there anyone else who would like posters to include the manufacturer's name in posts about gear, or at least with respect to gear that is not particularly well-known?
First, I'll welcome you to GS!

Please don't take this, or many of the other poster's examples (like above) as any form of affront, or speaking in 'code' etc - it can be confusing, but - these are ALL well known items in a recording engineer's arsenal - not ONE is a consumer/prosumer piece of gear, and professional's actually WORKING in this business know these items model #'s without ever having to mention a manufacturer's name. Put it this way, if you felt everyone had to type NEVE every time the # 1073 is mentioned, people would really consider you 'green', and there would be millions of additional words for what virtually every person on this forum knows (by now).

I'd suggest doing a bit of research - not just here on GS, but elsewhere - and tell us if this place is not one of the most civil, professional, and educational pro audio resources on the web, and get back to us. You gotta be prepared to do some of your own legwork to come up to speed in the fast moving world of audio recording/production...

regards,
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Originally Posted by PlugHead ➑️

I'd suggest doing a bit of research - not just here on GS, but elsewhere - and tell us if this place is not one of the most civil, professional, and educational pro audio resources on the web, and get back to us. You gotta be prepared to do some of your own legwork to come up to speed in the fast moving world of audio recording/production...
Don't get me wrong. I love gearslutz. In the year or two that I spent lurking on this forum, before I became a posting member, I learned more than I had learned from ten years of reading recording magazines.

Even I know what a 1073 or a U47 or a TM1 is. But I guess I was just curious whether there was a significant percentage of members of this forum who, like me, did not immediately recognize some of the less-legendary gear by model number only. Maybe there aren't many here like me, and I'm in a very small minority. Or maybe there are quite a few like me, only they are too embarrassed to admit it, lest they lose their "gear cred."
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Don't get me wrong. I love gearslutz. In the year or two that I spent lurking on this forum, before I became a posting member, I learned more than I had learned from ten years of reading recording magazines.

Even I know what a 1073 or a U47 or a TM1 is. But I guess I was just curious whether there was a significant percentage of members of this forum who, like me, did not immediately recognize some of the less-legendary gear by model number only. Maybe there aren't many here like me, and I'm in a very small minority. Or maybe there are quite a few like me, only they are too embarrassed to admit it, lest they lose their "gear cred."
You probably are not the only one....just the first to admit it!
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When some one asks "Whats your vocal chain?", its much easier to type...

2247LE - Pacifica - MC77 - 192

than

Peluso 2247LE microphone - A Designs Pacifica preamp - Purple Audio MC77 leveling amplifier - Digidesign 192 audio interface
Old 10th February 2009 | Show parent
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the title of your thread implies a sense of entitlement, the notion that those in the know are somehow witholding something at the expense of those who aren't, and therefore the situation needs addressing... by those in the know. it's clear from your language and energy that you're not coming heavy and being an ass, but the language of your request nevertheless conveys a subtle belief that you may not have been aware of, the belief that people ought to make things easier for you.

here's the giveaway: "For me, and probably a good number of others reading the post, most of the information in that post was useless (unless we took the time to do a google search on the model numbers in order to get the company name)." the surface idea embodied in this thought is that it's a poster's job to present information in a way that is most useful to the greatest number of people. the deeper, more hidden idea is that posters ought to present information in a form that is easier and faster for you to absorb. my guess is that, when laid out for you like that, you'd agree neither of those ideas reflects any truth, and the thing you're asking for might not actually be in your own best interest.

here's a perspective: when joe poster lays down a model number you don't know, and you have to google it, he educated you more effectively than if he just 'gave you the name.' the act of looking it up makes it stick in your brain better, and gives you an active stake in your growth.

so maybe this phenomenon is something you could be grateful for rather than mildly irritated with or suspicious of, and when the opportunity presents itself for you to broaden your own horizons, you welcome it.

or not, it's your call.


gregory scott - 'ubk'
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Old 10th February 2009
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Originally Posted by days ➑️
.......... For me, and probably a good number of others reading the post, most of the information in that post was useless (unless we took the time to do a google search on the model numbers in order to get the company name).
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Was the part about the google search edited in after the original post ???? Or did I miss it .......

AND ...... Do you guys think I'm a "gear snob" ???? Gaaaasssssp !!!! LOL

Anyway, Gearslutz is a great resource. But, like any resource you'll still have to put the work in to hear the results you're looking for. Also, even if you find multiple sources telling you what you want to hear, it doesn't mean it will work for you, in your world.

You may have to navigate around some snobs and a-holes to get what you want, but if it works out in the end ...... who cares ?? LOL

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LOL. I have thought about this before.

Put the shoe on the other foot. You probably have something that you know better than everyone else here. Do you feel you need to break down the language in front of your peers?

I look at it that way, and it's true that Googling will lead you to lots more info than you intended from being in that thread in the first place. Now next time, you know the terms and then some.
Old 11th February 2009 | Show parent
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Jeeeez! It's like the guy said in the original post: How hard is it it just to type the name of the company in front of model number? It's just a few keystrokes! (Veteran gearslutter: "Oh man, I can't possibly type the word "API" or "Neve" in front of that model number! That's way too much to ask!")

As for the dude who posted the signal chain quoted by the original poster. Snobbery, pure and simple. Most of the people on this forum wouldn't recognize all of the gear that he listed just by the model numbers he gave, and the guy who posted that signal chain knew it when he typed it.
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how hard is it to fire up the ol' google machine, Crt+C and then ctrl+v the model # in question and find out ?

there's even a search function here on gs
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How hard is it it just to type the name of the company in front of model number? It's just a few keystrokes! (Veteran gearslutter: "Oh man, I can't possibly type the word "API" or "Neve" in front of that model number! That's way too much to ask!")
It's not that it's "hard"...but it is awkward. Most people post in a very conversational style here and most don't bother to mention the brand name every time they talk about a piece of gear.

I think u b k's point about it being more helpful to Google a product you're not familiar with will be much more educational than just being given the brand name is a good one...
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Originally Posted by u b k ➑️
the title of your thread implies a sense of entitlement, the notion that those in the know are somehow witholding something at the expense of those who aren't, and therefore the situation needs addressing... by those in the know.
You and other responders to my original post make some good points. There's no black and white here.

With respect to the title I chose for the thread, it probably does seem more confrontational than I intended it to be. I remember quickly typing in the title without giving it much thought.

The thing that surprises me about this thread, though, is the absence of other newbies supporting my view. Maybe the great majority of members of this forum are pros that immediately recognize gear by the model number. I would have originally estimated that the majority of members here were home project studio guys with a less-than-extensive knowledge of gear. I may have been wrong about that.
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I'm new to this stuff too but firefox has a google searcg bar in the top right hand corner, gets used a lot.

It's like any specialised profession. There will be terms/abbreviatons/acronyms etc used that are very audio specific and you will need to look them up.

It's not difficult.
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