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Old 7th March 2009 | Show parent
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Comparing 2 high quality pres is a waste of time.

-Isn't this the point of Gearslutz? I love to waste time then...




I never used a GR, sorry I can't compare. But I use my 737 every day and really love the comp for vocals and EQ for everything. The preamp is verry clean, and not suitable for everything. When I want a more mid-tone (vocals/el guitars), I use my Brick to the line in of the 737. I heard from Avalon the EQ is the same as the AD-2055 (!), and I have the babyface-mod on the comp for a faster attack time. Now with the mod, the comp is wonderful on vocals and always record with EQ and comp on. Sometimes with extreme settings.
(fast attack time and release, and high cut on the eq like -6db or more from 5k-10k)

I believe you have to record the sound you want, and when you go mixing and push the faders up, you 're 90% there. Fix it in the mix doesn't work for me.

One exception on this; when I record mobile (live), I prefer pré's with only one gain knob, and no hpf. Cause you can't undo them indeed. This is the reason I still haven't bought a asp-008...
Where did you get the babyface-mod on Europe?
Old 7th March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Sonik31 ➡️
Where did you get the babyface-mod on Europe?
I bought the unit from a friend of mine. He installed the mod. You just have to replace 1 cab, wich makes the attack time faster.


Avalon Vt 737sp Babyface (Fast Attack) Mod

https://gearspace.com/board/geekslut...lon-737-a.html

I recomend this to everyone who has a 737! It's a peace of cake to install, no danger or whatever, and you still have enough range to set it slower again.

If I record or mix vocals, most of the time the attack is at the fastest setting, release almost fastest.... And I love the compression it gives me during tracking. Ratio max 4:1 but I go to 20db of GR. Really upfront vocals, and no pumpin effect.

I hope someday I find someone who can mod my 747 too....
Old 7th March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Peacock ➡️
I must admit I am more into audiophile type recording. I do not close mic at all except occasional vocal. We do mostly singer songwriter type recordings ad usually record vocal and acoustic guitar in blumlein. Close micing is the enemy of natural sound along with adding boxes which distort and adding gain stages which do the same.

No one is right or wrong its just a differing means to a differing end result. The GR does not do as well in my efforts as other clear pres. I still say the 737 and GR are great pres.
To quote Dan Kennedy from another thread (albeit a little out of context because he wasn't talking about the Avalon):

I used to believe the equipment was what made the difference, but it's been proven to me so many times over that once you're into good **** you can do the job, that I just have to say it, don't agonize, just ****ing record. Buy good tools, with track records, not GS flavor of the day, and there isn't anything you can't cut and have pride in. The flavor of the day will or won't prove itself over time.

And if you're looking for the cleanest pre going, wouldn't a Buzz be worth comparing to the Avalon?

I tried an Avalon many years ago, and though I thought the EQ was a nice touch I thought it sounded a little sterile to me and I took it back. But then again, my room sucks and I can't do distant micing. As a hobbyist that can't afford a specific tool for every job I find the GR VERY versatile and quite easy to adjust the 2 knobs in a hurry - 1 knob for character, 1 for level matching - how hard can it be? The GR, paired with a Sytek and a Drawmer MX60 for specialty uses covers a lot of bases for me. And as I never EQ or compress on the way in (mainly for the reasons you mentioned earlier about not being able to 'fix it' later) I don't miss the built in eq and compressor.
Old 7th March 2009
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Originally Posted by shadyru ➡️
Avalon 737 gets ripped apart on here but seen it's been used on so many hit records including big acts such as nickelback and disturbed for vox.

My question is the great river mp gets so much praise but have any major recordings used this on vocals??
Read this review on the 737 against newer gear. Avalon VT-737SP Revisited It seems that the 737 still holds up to the new gear. Just that it does not give you the Big sound that others have. You have to create the big sound with the EQ and compressor.
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I just bought a Avalon 737 and just love it. I found it amazing on vocals, guitar cabs, and it's a great DI for bass. No it's not the big sound of a Great River, but that's ok. I don't always want a big sound. Hence the reason to have several pre's and channel strips in your studio. The pre has a gentle smooth sound while being more on the clean side.
Old 8th March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by The Press Desk at Gearslutz.com ➡️
PRESS RELEASE

AVALON VT737SP – Incorporates “Babyface” Mod – From 1st May 2007

A significant modification to the Attack Time in the Avalon VT737SP compressor section will be available as standard with all units from 1st June 2007.
Following a consultation with renowned R&B producer Babyface, California based audio specialists Avalon Design increased the Attack Time significantly to meet current production requirements.

VT737SP owners with models purchased prior to the above date can have the mod added retrospectively at a nominal cost. Contact your national distributor for more details

AVALON DESIGN UK voice: + 44 (0)20 7231 9661
Email: sales AT asapeurope.com
Oh, the new ones, comes with the Babyface mod...
Old 8th March 2009 | Show parent
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I don't know how slow the old 737's were but I found the new ones which include the Baby Face mode pretty fast. I just did a session where this bass player was slapping and the compressor handled his attack very well. The compressor was able to control the bass and gave a nice even sound. Plus it added a touch of smoothness. Oh yes we DI the bass into the 737. It took about 3 to 4 min. to get the EQ right, but the end result was amazing. heh
Old 10th March 2009 | Show parent
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I'm with tube world and really like the 737so.I agree with posters in the past that believe many of the slaggers haven't actually used one and just jump on the bashwagon.

I use the GR almost eveyday in the studio and have a 737 myself.to compare them is like comparing a strat to a Les Paul- makes no sense.

The venerable SM7 I think works exceptionally well with this channel.I also love the EQ.the high shelf is fantastic
Old 10th March 2009 | Show parent
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lol

Wow, a couple of years ago you would have to scour 50 threads to find his many positive comments about them there prrrty silver boxes.

heh

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Old 10th March 2009 | Show parent
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whatever happens....

please do not blame the gear if the recording comes out sh**ty.

I'm pretty sure any "engineer" worth his rates can get great sounds out of both units.

good luck!
Old 10th March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Peacock ➡️
I must admit I am more into audiophile type recording. I do not close mic at all except occasional vocal. We do mostly singer songwriter type recordings ad usually record vocal and acoustic guitar in blumlein. Close micing is the enemy of natural sound along with adding boxes which distort and adding gain stages which do the same.
early on i really think you should have mentioned the above info. of course you wouldn't push a pre into distortion. it doesn't relate to the way you work. you were arguing a point that many here like myself can't relate to for most of our work. i've done audiophile recordings, and make appropriate engineering decisions for "that" approach.

it's highly misleading to offer up an opinion on two mic pres that do very different things to a source, when your approach is primarily for documenting as pure of a sound as possible. you're not using a great river in a way many use it. i dig where you are coming from, but in many circumstances the approach in engineering doesn't apply.
Old 10th March 2009 | Show parent
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I use my Avalon 737 3-4 times a week. Its great on vocals for some singers, depending on the mic, etc... I use it on snare drum all the time and love it. Remember it gets bashed but is still considered a top shelf piece of gear.

I've done sessions where great rivers had been used (as a drummer) and they seemed to sound great. I have to agree that you really have to try them to see what works for you.
Old 11th March 2009 | Show parent
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The compressor, even though an opto is not nearly as transparent as a la2a ( compression wise not color wise) compressing over 4 dbs or so will result in a squashed sound. everything else under that is perfectly fine with this unit.
Old 11th March 2009 | Show parent
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I don't think Avalon's VT series should be in the same box with GR stuff, they do not compare at all. I had the org GR MP2-MH and it had mojo like no other, Avalon VT series has sheen and smear, just not the same animal.
Old 11th March 2009 | Show parent
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Just yesterday I tried switching to Pacifica for clean electric guitars (using a Heil PR-30), but went right back to the 737. The Avalon is bigger, the Pacifica too pinched for the sound coming through my amp. 737 is my go-to for clean electric, and the eq provides some nice additional tone-shaping without messing with the clarity.

I have two GR MEQ-1NV's, but recently find I like tracking better without the eq, which adds too much of its own color, or rather, some cloudiness, IMHO. But I'd use the 1NV over the 737 and Pacifica for distorted guitars any day.

I need both. (Pacifica is starting to get relegated to overheads at my place.)
Old 16th March 2009 | Show parent
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wouldnt there be a distinct practicality advantage with the great river mp-2nv due to its 2 inputs?
imho, 2 great preamps are better than 1
perhaps a better argument could be derived from neve vs great river
any takers?
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If you want to do regular stereo recordings you need two of each things that need to be in the chain (as apposed to something like Mid/Side type things which can use separate stuff for the two parts.) So if you can afford dual sets of pres, EQs, and comps, it's useful for that purpose. Many of us home studio folks probably don't have that luxury so much, unfortunately.
Old 17th March 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by mikethedrummer ➡️
wouldnt there be a distinct practicality advantage with the great river mp-2nv due to its 2 inputs?
imho, 2 great preamps are better than 1
perhaps a better argument could be derived from neve vs great river
any takers?
Stereo is your best friend.
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wouldnt there be a distinct practicality advantage with the great river mp-2nv due to its 2 inputs?
imho, 2 great preamps are better than 1
It all depends on what you're doing...if the majority of what you're doing is tracking vocals then there probably wouldn't be as much of an advantage to having two inputs as there would be to having an EQ and a compressor. If you're tracking more acoustic instruments then sure, a stereo preamp may make more sense. Speaking of that...

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(Pacifica is starting to get relegated to overheads at my place.)
Why "relegated"? Shouldn't overheads be a place of honor?
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