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Old 2nd April 2003
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Studio Projects Mics

I've been auditioning mics after recently having traded my c12 vr for a Great river MP2nv. I've read some pretty good reviews on these and for the price of Neumann I could get a pair of c1s and the TB??(their tube mic). Anyone tried any of these models or is this a pipe dream? Thanks.

Old 2nd April 2003
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As a B1 and C1 owner/singer can tell you there both quite capable of
fine sounding results on vocals. Haven't tried the TB1 yet.

Chris
Old 2nd April 2003
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Just did a one two test at AES into the whole Studio Projects range. There was a U87 there for comparison. All I know is the C1 and the C3 were real close to the Neumann. Certainly the difference in price is a joke. I'm off to get a C3 this week. Oh, they also make a B1 which I think is arround $100. Not for vocals but I bet it would have many other uses. Great mics. I'm going to a/b the C3 with a Studio Electronics soon.
Old 2nd April 2003
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I used a pair pretty extensively in a home/project studio...they were definitely my favorites, but I've never had a chance to audition anything extremely high-end. I used them on everything from vocals to acoustics to overheads. From all the hundreds of debates I've seen, these are NOT U87s...but they shouldn't be $200 either. Many a ****tier $200 mic hath existed.

Click Me <- Used the pair of C1s for overheads and vocals with horrible preamps and horrible compressors and a horrible room and horrible A/D at 48khz. I was impressed with the resultant cymbals, and actually hope to test the C1s out some day with a much better chain.

Click Me <- C1 on the entire vocal track, with no compression before hitting disk. It can shine with the right singer...

Not sure I'd actually endorse these though...I'm under the impression you get what you pay for, and there's far more expensive mics with much longer/better reps. Perhaps its about sound and not price/rep though?
Old 2nd April 2003
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The B1 is about $80 street price.
The B series was designed to have a tone similar to the
AKG (silver) 414 EB.
The 414 EB was used on the first self-titled Boston album on
Brad Delp's vocals if that helps you as a frame of comparison.

On a vocalist with any propensity towards sibilance (like me!)
the B1 has a relatively flat response in "ess-land".
It also makes an excellent vocal training microphone as it has
such a non-emphathized top end.

Chris

P.S. I remember when hand held calculators were over $1000.
Doesn't necessarily mean they're better...
Old 2nd April 2003
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Hey Heterodox Thanks for the samples they were really helpful. Thanks to rest of the guys for their feedback. I've ordered a pair of c1 for an extended test run and I will definately try them out on vocals and as overheads to see how they partner with the GR MP2nv.

Old 4th April 2003
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I have a pair of C3's that im quite happy with. Some dont like the top end lift, I love it on some things, but some voices it dosent suit, so try it first.

Latley Ive been sticking one on Hi hat (in stead of my usuall KM84) , just to be different, works great.

Also I have set up a few Voice-Over people with home setups with a C1 and their ads sound just as good as all the others around them on the radio/TV.
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Old 4th April 2003
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I auditioned a BLUE Baby Bottle and the C3 with a female vocalist and sent the BB back. I use the C3 on acoustic guitars (omni). I've also used it on high hats as well and like what I got out of it.

Great value. I have an opportunity to audition a U87ai (?) and the AT4060. I'm going to compare. However, it sort of not a fair comparison as those two mics are tube and the C3 is solidstate.
Old 4th April 2003
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I just tried the AT4060 and a TLM 193 this past weekend on male vocals. Although I liked the 4060 better, I wasn't really blown away by either of these mics. I'm also going to try the tlm 103 and maybe a GT, and I'll probably give the 4060 another go.
Old 4th April 2003
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Does anyone know what's the difference between the C1 and the C3?
Old 4th April 2003
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The easiest thing is to go to their website:

Studio Projects

But the quick answer is the C1 is a single pattern mic (cardiod) and the C3 is a three pattern mic (cardiod, figure 8, omni).
Old 4th April 2003
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If you order the Demo CD, you will be impressed... for the price!
Old 4th April 2003
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I used to have the C1 and really liked it for vocals. Compared to a Neumann (U87 or even TLM-103 which I know a lot of people don't like) it does very well - especially considering the price. However, one area where I felt either Neumann completely takes it to the cleaners is in tracking (distorted) electric guitars. The C1 makes things sound excessively brittle and with no 'focus' in the midrange whereas the Neumanns are a lot more 'solid' sounding (provided you like condensors on your guitars).
Old 4th April 2003
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So it sucks on electric guitar. With the money saved, get a few mics that don't suck at that job, like the EV 635a, EV RE-15, or, dare I say it, the SM-57. Not that I have a SP mic or am taking a stand for it, but I just am not fond of most condensors anywhere close to a guitar amp. Then again, I don't get the good stuff in my hovel often enough to say it isn't just the mics I've tried.

I'm always amazed at people who have a bunch of large diaphragm condensors but only say a D-112 and SM-57 for dynamics. Then again, I err the other direction, not having a LD condensor in my permanent collection as of yet. Still looking to score a deal on an SM-7 first. I'm just that neurotic, I guess.

Bear
Old 5th April 2003
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The C1 has a slightly "bigger" sound than the C3.
The C3 is somewhat more detailed.
They DON'T sound exactly alike with the C3 in cardiod.
All in all, although the C1 is a very good vocal mike, the C3 will generally sound even better.

You can get a better idea by ordering the free listening CD's from
www.studioprojectsusa.com for both the "C" and "B" series.

Chris

P.S. The cool little VTB-1 mic pre just dropped to $129.00 BTW.
See www.mojopie.com for a couple of reviews.
Make sure to hit the "Other Reviews" icon if you do.
Old 5th April 2003
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Have the Stephen Paul mics been released yet?
Old 5th April 2003
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No, however, latest "word" is that the goal is around August or September. They really want to get it as "perfect" as possible.

Chris
Old 5th April 2003
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Looking forward to that. In the meantime has anyone found a consistent and reliable BUY for SP mics? I've always got a budget for something that won't let me down (for instance, I love the MK012)
Old 5th April 2003
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Sorry "G" if I don't understand "consistant and reliable buy", however, I think the most useful microphones for a project and/or commercial studio would be the B3, C3, and T3 microphones.
This is because they are multi-pattern, so that would expand the utility value over a condenser limited only to the cardiod pattern.

Chris
Old 5th April 2003
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Naw... you understand perfectly. Thanks for the tip.
Old 5th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gone Fission

I'm always amazed at people who have a bunch of large diaphragm condensors but only say a D-112 and SM-57 for dynamics. Then again, I err the other direction, not having a LD condensor in my permanent collection as of yet. Still looking to score a deal on an SM-7 first. I'm just that neurotic, I guess.

Bear
Hey, Bear!

You're not alone. There's a guy on another board who goes by the name of (appropriately enough) "Sennheiser" who only owns dynamic mics. He used to get teased a lot because any time someone posted a question about: "What's the best mic for (x applicaton)...?" He would always reply with either a Sennheiser 441 or 421 (depending on the question).

Oddly enough, he might be right!
Old 5th April 2003
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Totally agree with Gone Fission... a btw: the c1 is actually very nice for acoustic guitars (and now I'll stop talking about guitars for at least 5 seconds... heh )
Old 5th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by RSMITH123
If you order the Demo CD, you will be impressed... for the price!
The demo CD I heard sounds edgy and non-dimensional to me at least. YMMV.

Anything, I mean anything can be great "for the price!", that doesn't mean that it's good.

Mark
Old 5th April 2003
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The C1 is "good enough" for Tina Turner to record with and she could use anything she wants.

Chris
Old 5th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by chessparov
The C1 is "good enough" for Tina Turner to record with and she could use anything she wants.

Chris
That's nice, I guess, but I can't imagine taking it too seriously. Do you really think that Tina Turner even knows what mic she's singing into?

For that matter, when there's an ad in EQ with Famous Engineer Guy holding a piece of gear, do you really care? I'd rather just hear it myself. I've seen some complete garbage in that sort of ad, so I don't put a lot of stock in them.
Old 6th April 2003
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It's not an "ad", she really is now using the C1.
Joe Chiccarelli BTW, has a good opinion of these microphones too-
and he isn't paid for that opinion either.

Interesting how we can accept the RNC, however, it's not as easy
to "accept" good sounding affordable microphones.

Chris
Old 6th April 2003
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Mark and mdbeh, sorry if my last post's seemed somewhat pretentious. I'm the first to admit that my enthusiasm outweighs my expertise! Sincerely believe the C1 sounds "good" though.

Chris
Old 6th April 2003
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a c1, tlm 103, a ksm32, some gt mics, and even great dynamic mics like a 421 are in my closet for voice over types. the c1 is so cheap and it holds its own so well i am happy to have it around. i'm doing a vo project this week and it'll probably be pressed into service. hardly even a gamble at that low of a price. however, the one caveat is i don't like how artificial the high end is on the c1. i can't believe how different those mics sound for people in the same room with the same mic pre's. ya gotta hear em to know what will work with any given voice.
Old 6th April 2003
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I wonder how these SP mics will do in recording a (jazz)band in one room.

I have heard them at the Amsterdan AES and of course my own voice was the only thing I could hear there and I noticed the B1 sounded more natural than the C1.

But what about spill and off axis response. What if I use it on clarinet/sax with a trumpet and 'bone player nearby?

A big Neumann on winds will "hear" the trumpet as well, but at least this bleed will sound very decent.

I have tried an MXL V77 in the same situation and this mic comes really close to the Neumann.

How about the SP mics in a situation like that, anybody?
Old 6th April 2003
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Hearts-of-fire - The U87ai is NOT a tube mic. It is solid state. I don't know about the 4060 as I have never even seen one.

I like the Studio Projects mics so far. I have a (original) U87i and the C-1 does compare favorably to it so far. The U87 is more focused though on most sources. It has a tighter bottom end to it.

I like the B-1's a lot for overheads. I think they will be getting that duty from now on.

Beez
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