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Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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Yeah, you can do OK work just with plugins if you work hard enough at it.

Yeah, O.K. is the "key" word, I guess!
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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Yeah, you can do OK work just with plugins if you work hard enough at it.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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Yeah, O.K. is the "key" word, I guess!
I am a much bigger fan of good hardware, but there are some great albums made just with plugs in (many great albums do not actually sound great), but the it comes down to the ultimate questions which was the original one asked:

"Do you think you could do the same quality mix that you do now if you had to do it all completely "in the box"?
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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I think you can do great mixes ITB. But the question for me is how much is ITB? If I know I am going to have to mix something ITB I do as much as I can while tracking using outboard gear. I think that my mixes sound far better this way then say just tracking from your pre straight into PT or whatever (no compression or eq) and then trying to mix totally ITB. I chalk up a lot of sounds I like to lots of transformers maybe? Who knows. Just my 2 cents.

-Jay Henderson
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Wow this thread is AMAZING. I have never seen a thread like this on GS before.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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You dont get my point.
I just had fun reading this and wanted to make sure taht some sluts can laugh too......nothing else no discussion no ITB vs OTB just reading and laughing about it.
I get your point, and you're right. sheesh, some people huh?
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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"Do you think you could do the same quality mix that you do now if you had to do it all completely "in the box"?
I can
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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Wow this thread is AMAZING. I have never seen a thread like this on GS before.
hehhehheh
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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why i'm having pictures of celia hodes sneezing coke blood over izabelle whenever theese kinda threads emerge... yes u can, yes u can't... come on... bored lets this puppy die...
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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Pissing aside, the MHB quotes in the top post is awesome. I've heard it before, so not new, just very funny put

MHB: You're doing the upcoming live Cohen album? Would be really cool if you wanted to talk about mixing it sometime later.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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People forget that someone like MHB has been doing this a long time. Well before plug-ins, before DAWs and before electricity heh

He started using hardware, that worked very well, so why change it?

In a few years time there will be as revered mix engineers using plug-ins exclusively.
Put them in a room with a desk, a few racks and a patchbay and they will say "Yeah, this stuff is cool, but I have to work much harder to make it happen"

It ain't the tools.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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..... In a few years time there will be as revered mix engineers using plug-ins exclusively.
Put them in a room with a desk, a few racks and a patchbay and they will say "Yeah, this stuff is cool, but I have to work much harder to make it happen"

It ain't the tools.
I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
Quantify good in a way that is meaningful to everyone mixing that vocal. Some of us have sold our distressors...
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I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
You won't find one. (-15dB really?) Although it's often the case that the metering on these plug-in hardware copies is also "emulated" so it will look like 15dB of reduction but be closer to 25dB (and subsequently sound pretty fkn overdone).
Like all analogue gear with VUs.
I'm not getting into the plug-ins vs hardware argument. It never goes anywhere.

If you can't make a mix sound great using plug-ins then it's unlikely you can make a mix sound great using hardware and vice versa.
Blame the tools etc..

Everyone has a preference. Only a fool would pick a side.
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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I can
Cool. Do you have some examples of your best work in both scenarios. It would be an interesting comparison.
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I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
Hey Mixerguy. Have you tried the PSP Mixpressor 2? It's one of the few software comps that don't seem to crap out when comping heavily. Will it sound like a Distressor? I doubt it because they are 2 different comps. But try it out and let me know what you think.thumbsup
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Don't be blinded by boxes I present during a Mutt Lange mix and it was all plug-ins. That dude had a crazy amount of gear - I mean he had everything you could think of for outboard.
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Hardware for record side, plugins for mix end.

Convenience has a sound and it is good.

Unlimited recalls has a sound and it is very good.

Anyway, "sound" is only half of the sound.
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by rcm ➑️
I am a much bigger fan of good hardware, but there are some great albums made just with plugs in (many great albums do not actually sound great), but the it comes down to the ultimate questions which was the original one asked:

"Do you think you could do the same quality mix that you do now if you had to do it all completely "in the box"?
The answer for me is "no," although I mix completely ITB for certain clients multiple times a week. I still can do a better mix with hardware.

If the question was "Do you think you could do a quality (as opposed to the same quality) mix completely in the box I would have to say "yes."

If I couldn't I'd be out of a lot of work.
Old 27th January 2009
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Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES ➑️
How many people asked here at Gearslutz if it is possible to mix with Plug Ins. I was yesterday at the website of Mr. Michael Brauer so funny his QA:
If I want my projects to sound less than par I would use all pulgs, I want a better golf game....... I do use very little eq and bits of verb delay and that is rare, effects and compression in pulgs has not stepped up to the hardware sound and I don't think it will. Long live hardware....
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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If I want my projects to sound less than par I would use all pulgs, I want to better golf.......
Its funny you mention golf, I was thinking about that analogy today. Could Tiger Woods play a great game of golf with a cheap set of golf clubs from walmart? Yes, he could still probably beat 99% of the golfers in the world, but could he make his personal best course scores with them?

I am waaaaay far from being the Tiger Woods of mixing. I need all the help I can get.
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Its funny you mention golf, I was thinking about that analogy today. Could Tiger Woods play a great game of golf with a cheap set of golf clubs from walmart? Yes, he could still probably beat 99% of the golfers in the world, but could he make his personal best course scores with them?

I am waaaaay far from being the Tiger Woods of mixing. I need all the help I can get.
That's great! heh
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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...... Convenience has a sound and it is good.

Unlimited recalls has a sound and it is very good.

Anyway, "sound" is only half of the sound.
I can recall my hardware outboard no problem. Very precisely.

sounds great

worth a few minutes of my time

Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
Tubetech CL1B for the powercore
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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rcm, sorry for my bad grammar, I did not read after typing so I went back and corrected it, I think we all got the point across we were making.
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Tubetech CL1B for the powercore
sorry - no access (or interest in buying) Powercore.... can't check it out



also - show me a plugin EQ that does what the Hammer does at 10k boost on the mix buss.....



and the list goes on.....
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Sorry - no access to the Hammer...can't check it out.

Show me a hardware EQ that does what the digi eq3 does at 10k boost on the mix buss.....


You can't do that any more easily than I could do what you asked.

Who cares. tutt
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Sorry - no access to the Hammer...can't check it out.

Show me a hardware EQ that does what the digi eq3 does at 10k boost on the mix buss.....
For 10k boost on the 2bus, the Hammer blows away the EQ3, but for notching your funky midrange EQ3 beats the Hammer. Been thinking of getting one of those power cores, but do they work with Pro Tools?
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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I disagree.

show me the plug-in that can do 15 db of compression on a lead vocal... and sounds as good as a Distressor doing just that....

then maybe i'll change my mind.
While the distressor is one on my favourite comps , you might want to give the Rocket comp by stillwell a try, it holds up great at -15db of gain reduction .......
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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C'mon guys we are all using both....and it's great...
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