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Old 14th July 2002
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PMC Speakers IBS1

Anyone else try these speakers out? Jumpin' jesus on a pogo stick these things kick ass! Probably the "tightest" I've ever heard. My understanding is that Bryson makes them. I got the mess around with a pair at the Village Recorder. Too bad they cost an arm & a leg.
Old 15th July 2002
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Bevy B has the hots for a pair of PMC's with Bryston amps inside...

Perhaps the same model..

Bev?
Old 15th July 2002
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WORD UP.....

PMC eat most monitors up for breakfast..IMHO and **** them out b4 lunch....including dfegad KRK V8's...... they have taken over as my favourite monitors over my beloved NS-10!.. R.I.P

I have been using the PMC TB2.. the smallest and chepaest sopeakers in their range and have been more than impressed with the results. While there are no ADAMs avaialble here in Australia, i thionk thye would be a good match.. these thigns slaughter questeds IMHO which are fromt he same sort of stable.

PMC's for me are sonorous, rich dwetailed stereo imaging that is rock solid and best of all acutallu manange to translate to real world mixes...no genelec syndrome!!!

I am not sponsered by them but they are great!

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 15th July 2002
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Definately the least amount of ear fatigue I've ever encountered.
Old 15th July 2002
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My understanding is that Bryson makes them.

PMC has been around quite a long time. The same people that distribute Bryston, most of the time carry PMC monitors. Bryston are the reccomended amps(even though there are much better amps out there such as Mark Levinson and some Krells). PMC has been building Audiophile speakers for a while. I am still surprised that more audiophile speakers haven't made there way into control rooms, since they eat and spit out a lot of the common monitors in studios. The only one's that have made the jump are maybe ATC and ProAc. Even some mastering houses have yet to make the jump(which confuses me). Since most of the great audiophile speakers are great full range speakers. The most popular one's I've seen lately are Dunleavy's with Cello amplifiers, a terrible speaker with a super bright,over charged amplifier. I guess since Bob Ludwig used these everybody else does too. But I think in the future this will change...hopefully!!!
Old 15th July 2002
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if you like PMCs check out the ATC range..

http://www.atc.gb.net


The SCM-20s are very very nice for such a small cab. 100s are fab, but not exactly near field!
Old 15th July 2002
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Hey Diginerd,

You don't have to sell me on ATC monitors, I was one of the first guys here in NYC to start miixng on them(and mind you carrying around a pair of SCM20's was a bitch!!! Not to mention the Krell amplifier.) Wow so you paid 1500 pounds for the ATC SCM 50 man what a bargain. I would love to find a used pair of the powered SCM20's(not the newer version which I am not to crazy about). A used pair of SCM50's would be nice too, but here in the states they are not as popular.
Old 15th July 2002
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Great hearing from a fellow fan!

There's a pair of 20s int the reader's ads section of SOS at the mo (Dunno if they are actives or not, or even which version)

http://www.sospubs.co.uk/adverts/adverts.asp

Failing that funky junk are a great source too (Not just for monitors for those of you whose eyes are glazing over):-

http://www.funky-junk.co.uk/

Just had a quick peek on there and...

:eek: :eek: :eek: HOLY****ING **** :eek: :eek: :eek: they have a pair of SCM100As for Β£2100!!!

Mind you shipping would be a bitch..
Old 15th July 2002
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Good deal for Bev though!

Old 15th July 2002
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True..

Just to put my last post in perspective, if you want a new pair of SCM-100As from ATC then you're going to have to stump up Β£7950+VAT (ie about $12,000!).

Someone is going to be very happy, even if they need a full service from ATC...
Old 16th July 2002
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I'm thinking of getting these

Im thinking of getting these

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/aml1f.htm

I tried out those smaller PMC ones you're talking about and was impressed seeing as they cost the same (althoughwith no active) as my genelecs 1029's and sounded a million times bigger (not that the 1029's were ever meant to sound big) We were using an MC2 (MC squared) amp, which is basically the old dynaudio amps which have been bought up and rebranded/packaged when I was listening to the smaller PMC's.




They're not cheap, the ones on my link. But my idea is that my Genelec's become my NS10's (sound a bit clattery and a bit home hi fi with subwoofer) and the PMC's become the biggies. And check out the response on those things. Holy ****. Great for what I'm doing. (and what I liked about the smaller PMC's is that they have an incredibly detailed low mid which im missing on my other speakers)

Try and stop me. About 3000 UK pounds.
Old 16th July 2002
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Bev, seriously check out the ATCs at Funky Junk!!! They are actives, and are ****ing Atunning. ATC are highly regarded for their mid-range clarity (amongst other traits).
Old 16th July 2002
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When I said try and stop me I didn't mean it, Goddammit!

Ok, having a look....oh no, I live round the corner from funky Junk...
Old 16th July 2002
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Audiophile speakers are rarely found in control rooms because most are too fragile to survive the occasional console patching mistake, tape machine chatter, mike hitting the floor, etc. On top of that, if a studio is recording live music, in most cases the audiophile speakers aren't capable of playing at a volume level comparable to what the musicians just heard as they played.

They are commonly used in mastering facilities where that level of ruggedness isn't needed. Mixing with them can also be difficult because you hear so much detail that musical balances tend to be a lot less critical and more apples vs. oranges than right or wrong. This is a good thing for mastering where you want to hide artifacts and correct unintentional timbre colorations.

There are speaker systems that have proven themselves excellent for both applications but they all cost many tens of thousands of dollars so most facilities stick with the usual suspects in the control room and the audiophile speakers in the mastering room.
Old 17th July 2002
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Audiophile speakers are rarely found in control rooms because most are too fragile to survive the occasional console patching mistake, tape machine chatter, mike hitting the floor, etc. On top of that, if a studio is recording live music, in most cases the audiophile speakers aren't capable of playing at a volume level comparable to what the musicians just heard as they played.

Hi Bob, this use to be the case but not any longer. I think the occasional nick and scratch is a problem if you want to resell them in the audiophile community. The playback level thing is also a thing of the past, because of digital and home surround systems, playing back at 85db-90db is actuallya common thing. I was also talking about using them for mixing, not for getting the clients excited(hey the big soffit guys are for that). When it comes to prices, you can get a better bargain in the used Audiophile market, than you could in the music market. Also the drivers will be in better shape as well(also it will look almost brand new). Speakers tend to sell for almost half of their worth in the Audiophile market. I think the biggest expense will be in the amplifier. A nice Mark Levinson,Krell, Pass Labs,Classe and even I dare say Cello will set you back some. A lot of times the amplifier alone will be more expensive than the speaker itself. I much prefer to mix on a speaker that gives me all the detail(especially in the lows and mids where most of the trouble will be). I think the Mastering guys are finally starting to catch on to the Audiophile stuff. I think its taken so long because a lot of the engineers came out of the studio world so they still have the same mentality. They don't know what's out there, so they stick to the same stuff.
Old 17th July 2002
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I'm mixing my classical up with my rock and dance.

On the PMC's working out where to put the cello in the mix is a doddle....HOWEVER, a lot of the dance stuff sounded crap through them...so we made it sound better Some recordings I thought were good suddenly sounded awful, so we matched them and made them better All in all, I've had a good time with 'audiophile' speakers.

The nearest i've come to that kind of thing is the giant dynaudios with chameleon/chord amps.

Oh, those chord amps rock btw, but i guess you already knew that.

I didn't really know there was much difference between 'audiophile' and 'the other' kind, never really thought of it like that.

All I know is I like to hear EVERYTHING.
Old 17th July 2002
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I didn't really know there was much difference between 'audiophile' and 'the other' kind, never really thought of it like that.

All I know is I like to hear EVERYTHING.


I didn't know either, until a friend(former audiophile dealer) lent me a Mark Levinson ML2 amplifier to try with a pair of Dynaudio monitors I had at the time. I was thinking what's the big difference between a $2000 Bryston 4BST and $8,000 ML2 in the studio, would it be that dramatic? Woah!!! When I listened to the music through that ML2 and those Dynaudios it was like night and day. The depth and richness that I thought I had was being masked by the Brystons. I proceeded to investigate more and listen to different speakers,amps,cables and all the audiophile esoteric stuff and I became a fan. The prices for this stuff can be astronomical, its a wonder why most of the audiophile crowd are doctors(go figure). Like you I also like to hear everything. By the way, one of my friends former clients was Bob Katz when he was with Chesky records. He(bob Katz) would go to his showroom and listen to his recordings and see how they would translate in the audiophile market. I tried this recently and man what an experience. I learned a lot about my room. Its like going to a masteing studio, with out paying for it.
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