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Old 27th June 2002
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To EQ or not to EQ

Hi folks. Don't know if anybody will be interested in this but...here goes anyway....

One of the holy tabernacle articles states that with good mic placement etc. in an ideal world you should not have to use any EQ - particularly for vocals. (At least pre mix down anyway).

So I was just wondering...has anybody here succesfully done that? And what mic and mic pre were you using?

I've been sussing out the Avalon AD2022 dual mic pre lately, and the guy that engineers A. Morrisette says that indeed this is what happened when he used this unit. No EQ on the vocals.

Any thoughts?
Old 27th June 2002
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Re: To EQ or not to EQ

Quote:
Originally posted by stedel
Hi folks. Don't know if anybody will be interested in this but...here goes anyway....

One of the holy tabernacle articles states that with good mic placement etc. in an ideal world you should not have to use any EQ - particularly for vocals. (At least pre mix down anyway).

So I was just wondering...has anybody here succesfully done that? And what mic and mic pre were you using?

I do it fairly regularly, as long as you don't call a hi pass filter (which I generally use to clean up stuff below about 100Hz) 'EQ'. Lawson L47MP to any of a number of preamps - Manley, Great River NV, Vintech X73, Vac Rac. Either LA2A or Tube Tech CL1B for compression (and damn little of that).
Old 27th June 2002
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I have had that very experience once to be exact ... with one male singer, the signal chain was a U47 with original VF14 .... into the Avalon AD2022 and then to a tubetech CL1B (very light compression) and then AD with an apogee psx 100 ... aes into a 888 and Pro Tools.

The song was a ballad .... never touched it afterwards ... nothing .... only a send on the track to the M5000 at that time for a vocal hall / very light delay and that's it.

Remember doing some de-essing with the Protools automation and no extra compression ...; just automated the track as the song went along.

But it was a one time experience ... recorded a complete album with that very singer and only on this particular song it was like that .... although all other processing on the other songs was a minimum.

Just seemed to be exactly the right signal chain for that guy ....


The same signal chain will not work at all for other singers I work with. The Avalon yes ... but not the neumann nore the tubetech.
Old 27th June 2002
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I am very bad with over eqing stuff, I am making an effort to be better about it..

One example, Rather than, EQ the **** out of my overheads like I used to (old habbit from analog tape recording) , I now record em flat (Royer SF12 ribbon) but group ALL the drums (monitor only) to a stereo buss in PT and add some 'sheen' / Super HF there, so I feel it sounds "record like" .. That makes me happy.... Then, come mixdown time I can selectivly eq with better stuff, like valve outboard EQ etc..... but always have the flat sound... Er.. tell a lie, I take out mid crappola on the OH...

Kick n snare always seem to need a touch..

perhaps I will do them flat too soon!

Whats a poor 1073 to do? NOTHING?



I supppose the correct answer is YES.



BTW usualy on vocals, my target is flat... no eq
Old 28th June 2002
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I never eq a vocal to tape . . . I just look for a different mic or more suitable pre / mic combination. As a matter of fact, I am finding I am eq-ing less and less these days and enjoying the results much more. The only thing I find that I cannot seem to cut flat is bass drum. I know some do it with mic placement alone but I am not able to do it.

Guys like Chris Lord Algee / Agee (whatever their names are) are eq nuts. I'm scared to eq like he does. I don't trust myself with that much eq.
Old 28th June 2002
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eq

rollz

me also use eq less

so much so havnt even got one at present!

still sound **** hot tho ! (modesty escapes me today)

as u all know as i have bored several of u with this
i just stick a 251elam/elux or if i can an m49 up
stick that into my telephunkins mubbe bit of sum
huge commpressor(sore subject) and whay hey

tho a massive passive/few crusty old neves woulnt go amiss
next year...grggt

but even i had eq i normally just added air or took away lows
and often regretted it ...

mm maybe imjust not to be trusted with an e cue

ps where is my compressor ! :( *sulk*
Old 28th June 2002
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I recorded a marimba band a few months ago that was quite large. I put up a pair of 414's for room mics and I used stereo spot mics on every marimba. There were 5 pairs of Octava mics (the small diaphram km 84 knockoffs), one pair of Soundeluxe U99's, on pair CAD e-100's, and one pair of Beyer M-88's. The pre's were API, Focusrite Red, Manley, and Sytek. I used no eq on anything. I only used compression on some African drums and hosho as well as some on the mix buss. It sounded very full, balanced and natural.
Old 28th June 2002
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The last time I used EQ (aside from HPFs) while tracking was about 2 months ago for an acoustic guitar.

Mic choice and placement...

Jon
Old 28th June 2002
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Geez... whats all this, an organic whole singnal-fest?

EQ intolerant?
Compression allergic?
Cover your eyes and twist the knobs lads and lasses...
Make sounds that never came before!!!
Broaden your possibilities, use more, not less!!
Old 28th June 2002
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i hardly ever EQ vox. i will for sfx style vox... but not for straight up "regular" type vox.
Old 28th June 2002
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Wow, thanks for the replies folks:

Loudist
"Geez... whats all this, an organic whole singnal-fest?"

Not unless you call Peter Stuyvesant organic!
No, I enjoy ****ing with sounds - particularly with sample based stuff, but...

I'm going to be getting a couple of mic pres...and that's all they are - mic pres, namely the Avalon and possibly an Australian manufacturer Peach Audio who make some very tasty valve pre's...but I got frustrated figuring out which way to go for EQ's - older Neve 1073/Neve replicants (eg Shep..hi wiggy if you're around still considering these...) Focusrite, Avalon, Manley etc. Then I thought, well for vocals and accoustic guitar, with the right mic/mic pre match and mic placement...it's like the old sun roof on an old Mark 11 Jag - over engineered, I though why do I need so much EQ? Particularly before any mixing..I guess it is a bit organic, finding the purest signal path for these. Never considered Rupert Neve a hippy before....


Jon Attack
"The last time I used EQ (aside from HPFs) while tracking was about 2 months ago for an acoustic guitar.
Mic choice and placement..."Jon

Cool, Jon - then it wasn't a dream I had last night.....

Jules
"I now record em flat (Royer SF12 ribbon)"

Hmm "yaars" the Royer is definately on my must audition list, particularly as reports are that it matches the Avalon really well. Evidently it's great for crunch guitars and vocals as well I hear. Cool Jules

BTW I visited Mercenary's site the other day...never knew the connection between them and Avalon....what nice people!
Old 28th June 2002
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I always try to start with no eq even if it needs it. This way the vocalist (or other instrument) can try to adjust & fix any problems the 'proper' way. Suggesting to the vocalist to back off on the "esses" works better than any desser I've ever used. I almost always filter 60htz of the bottom (that sub on a vocal does NOTHING for me). Then if I have to, I try to dip out before I add Eq. Strangely, when I hear the term "Eq a vocal", I always think of boosting a frequency for some strange reason. I'd say around 10% of the time I use no eq. If I boost or cut more the 6db, that's a good sign I need to change the mic chain around.
Old 28th June 2002
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I am an EQ addict.... as well as a compression head!

But i am supremely spoilt cos i have learnt to Eq with 24 x 1073.
So i learnt the hard way..... i know that must sound really rich doming form someone who has all this cool gear to use but i made many mistakes, but its those mistakes that you will learn from and be a better engineer for! Just beauce i ahd stax of Neves did not guarantee a good result, let me tell you if you **** up with them they(1073) can get really gnarly and let you know whats wrong real quick, becuase of their sculting power.

I used to be drilled with the notion of record flat ...boring yawn.... fix it in the mix!.. what a load of ****!, no wonder mixers work so damn hard and use so many drum samples!!!!

Then i started working with a host of 'old school engineers' who EQd like crazy and compressed like the devil and you know what it acutally started to make sense. Their worked actually sounded like it was a real record in the making rather than one that is 75-85% there. Sure there is no subistitute for good mic choice and placement, that is the basic foundation of solid engineering, making the decisions as you go to put the 'magic' down onto your favourite medium.

What i am saying is that is you are confident in your skills and role as an engineer/producer whatever?.. start being brave and commiting your tones to tape/disk/storage with the types of tones that you would be trying to acheive when you mix. so whe it comes to mixing the hard choice have already been made and it allows you to focus on the mix it self rather than a host of other issues....

Sure my analogue tendencies are still ripe when i do work but it really does end up sounding better in the end. I justify this approach more so now in the digital arena becuase of its lack of bottom end issues.. so i find that i eq a fair bit when the takes a re going down so that when is there when i come to mix, and if there is too much is always easier to take away than it is to add.

SO my 'old school' habits are probalby gona get me flamed like marshmallow but i stnad by them and my ability ot have forsight to make the choice ont he way down and live with them...

Remember the caveat here is give it a go... this is a surefire way to really learn what Eq does to frequencies and is a fast learnign curve to getting to know them and their relationships... phase, Q's crossovers freqs,etc.

and any slef respecting GS(GEAR SLUT) liek myslef has a handy array of eq to use.... mine are

Manley pultecs x 2,
Shep SN8 (1073) re-issue x 2
CLM Dynamics 'Expounder' ----> talk about turning the granite slab to rubble!
Passive eq's

PEACE
Wiggy


PS... Stedel i was only thinking of you the other day! heheh
Old 28th June 2002
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a month ago I finished the recording part of a five song CD: No eq on anything, all mic placement and choice of mic and preamps.
Voc chain: Soundelux 251 - GrooveTubes VIPRE - EL-8 distressor - FATSO - DMX R-100 A/D convertor - Euphonix R-1. The VIPRE was set ot slow rise time which took care of the ssess in a very smooth manner.
electric gtr chain: Royer R-121 (2x) API pre -DMX R-100 A/D - R-1.
Bass DI will be reamped at mix time
Drums:
Kick inside: Shure SM**** - John Hardy M-1 - DMX etc.
kick outside: Infinity 6" speaker - Hardy M-1 - DMX ...
Snare top: GrooveTubes AM40 tube mic - Studer D19 mic pre, and a AKG451 with a CK9 long shotgun capsule (separate track) 8 feet above the snare ponting directly at it - DMX mic pre ...
Snare bot:AKG 480 - DMX mic pre gated by snare top channel
Rack toms: AKG D3800 (x3) API mic pre
Floor tom: Beyer M88 - API mic pre
Cymbals/OH: Royer R-121 Summit DPA200B tube mic pre - DMX ...
Hat: AKG 451 - John Hardy M-1 - DMX...
Room 1 (mono): Shure SM91 plate taped against the control room window - DMX pre...
Room 2 (mono): Fostex M11RP ribbon - VacRac mic pre - 1176 on stunn - DMX...
Room stereo: Neumann KU100 binaural head - DMX mic pre
The KU100 was also used for backing vocals and some percussion.
Acoustic 6str/12str: Soundelux 251 - VIPRE - EL-8 - FATSO -DMX...
Acoustic Mic 2: Royer R-121 - Hardy M-1 - EL-8 - FATSO - DMX...
Percussion: Royer R121 - Hardy M1 - FATSO - DMX...
We also had some odd instruments like a Harmonium (Royer R121) and a Silvetone organ (R121 and DI).

I like the sound of the ruffs alot, I report back after mixing it.
Old 28th June 2002
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FWIW, I rarely ever EQ a vocal to tape... but I may try 4 different microphone and mic-pre combinations until I get to the point where I'm comfortable that the vocal track will sit in the song properly... from there I decide on what compressor [or series of compressors] will best do the job... and move on.

When you're working really fast, then a combination of a couple of units that you know will do a solid job, and maybe a touch of EQ [from a seriously high quality equalizer] can work very well too.

The reason I shy away from EQ when recording is because equalizers [analog equalizers] cause a phase shift within the signal. I know that chances are way better than even that I'll be applying some analog EQ to the vocal when mixing... so I'm just trying to keep the 'phase shift' [also spelled "clarity"] on the vocal track to a minimum so as not to get into too much 'phase oriented weirdness' when mixing.

Best of luck.
Old 28th June 2002
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Re: To EQ or not to EQ

Quote:
Originally posted by stedel


I've been sussing out the Avalon AD2022 dual mic pre lately, and the guy that engineers A. Morrisette says that indeed this is what happened when he used this unit. No EQ on the vocals.

Any thoughts?
Yeah, I think her voice could have used some eq.

-Rick
Old 28th June 2002
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My console eq hisses at me when I insert it into the signal chain, so I don't press my luck often. Time for a recap, and maybe some high quality resistors.

I tend to use mic selection and placement as a sort of eq. I absoulely love the EV 635a omni for cutting flab off a lard assed guitar amp. Makes it much easier to get a tough tone that doesn't wash out the bass. Different dynamics have different presence peaks so in combination with proximity effect and off-axis angling, you can do a fair bit to sculpt the sound without messing with phase shift in eq.

Then again, I'm about to wire some W295b eq's into my rig.

Bear
Old 29th June 2002
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Hi folks, thanks for all the opinions.

I actually very rarely use EQ on vocals before mixing. The practical reason for my query was in relation to buying the Avalon AD2022 dual mic-pre.

I was thinking about Channel strips, such as Avalon's 737 and Focusrite ISA 430 and how practical they would actually be to my needs. Thought maybe it would be better just to get a couple of different but quality pre-amps only (the Avalon and Peach Audio 196 tube mic pre's) and augment them with some Vintage Neve type EQ units or even a blockbuster 35mm Widescreen unit like Avalons own AD2055 for submix tweaking.

I thought coupling these with a 1176LN and the Chandler EMI Compressor would keep me happy for a while. Avalons Dual Opto Compressor the AD2044 would be pretty cool for sub mix and final mixes
(though I have no pretentions of establishing a proper mastering facility - unless a large amount of money drops out of the sky.....hmmm...looks pretty clear out there at the moment.....)

I know this may seem excessive but this is what I'm thinking for my outboard:

Avalon AD 2022
Tab-funkenwerk V72s
Focusrite ISA 430 or some Neve 1073 thang
Peach Audio 196 (though you folks would not know this product).

Anyway, much appreciate all your comments - although A. Morisette's EQ....well I aint goin' there!


Kind regards
Old 29th June 2002
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I like requesting the freq charts for mics available in studios as well. If I have time (which I never seem to) I'll eq a mic chain, and if I'm noticing myself dipping out 600 htz, or so, I'll look for a mic with a dip similar to the way I've set an eq and switch it with the one I'm using. It's kinda like EQ'ing with mic's without shifting the phase of AC signals going through capacitors and inductors and adding it back with the original signal. I wish I could do this every session, but most artists don't wanna put up with the trial & error.
Old 30th June 2002
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eq alanis



if i had to record allanis i would put the filters on
and cut everything below 1k and everything above 500hz

fuuck grggt grggt yuktyy yuktyy

this is personal but i wouldnt use an avolon if i was given one
must be a better alternative shirley ?

nice on the v72's tho ...mine are fantastik
Old 30th June 2002
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Seems that most folks here shy away from actively adding EQ, but looking at it in a different perspective, everyone is passivley adding eq during tracking...I mean, choosing one preamp/mic combination over another is not that much different from boosting one eq band while cutting another band...principle is the same I think, just that one method occurs somewhat naturally and the other method requires intervention of some sort.

Our mic locker and preamp choices are nowhere near the arsenal of some folks' here, yet the concepts remain the same. The exact AT4041/DBX combo that sounded KILLER for one application may redefine the word 'suck' on a different application.

So I guess from a technical point of view, we don't eq while tracking, but from an acoustical point of view, we do...
Old 30th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Midlandmorgan
[BSo I guess from a technical point of view, we don't eq while tracking, but from an acoustical point of view, we do... [/B]
...except that a good preamp doesn't mess with the phase of the signal in the same (bad) way an analog EQ does and therefore we might get one of those "It-sits-in-the-track-better" sensations.heh
Old 30th June 2002
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yer so right! I've found that for what we are trying to accomplish, the idea of eq at all seems to be more or less a bandaid...and any tweaking can come at a later stage via Samplitude...

I find it very interesting, though, that the type of production often dictates the amount of processing at the tracking stage...

(he says...quietly lurking in the background absorbing a wealth of knowledge from the members...)

K
Old 30th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener


...except that a good preamp
Hmmm mind if I hi-jack my own post for a moment folks, I need to ask mwagener (God it sounds so formal) a question....

Hi Michael, if you re-visit this post..erm..the Groove Tube Vipre...I posted on another Forum about this unit last year when I first saw an ad for it in Mix magazine..I was very interested in it at the time....not many had heard about it...and I forgot all about it. At the time I thought wow! Looks pretty cool.

I was visiting Mercenary's site and noticed they carried it, clicked on the link, and got a PDF...it was like that old Hot Chocolate song...you know "You Sexy Thing!"...I noticed on wiggy's desert island mic-pre you picked that one..
is it really that good? Should I go through the pain of lusting after another piece of gear that doesn't have a ****in' Australian Distributer?
And trying to get a Vipre & a Chandler into this desert starved isle? I like it here, it's my home...but....isn't there some sort of American relief program I can become part of? Is it as good as the idea of it (the Vipre) reads? Much appreciate any comment you can give on this pretty amazing looking piece of gear...

Your humble Jeez why does he have every bit of gear that I'm interested in (don't you also have ADAM speakers that we also can't get here?) poor Australian Cousin....
Stedel
Old 30th June 2002
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stupit islands



yeah i live on a stupit island as well ... (uk)
and it does suk as the 'mericans have all the sexy gear..
but at the end of the day you just gotta get it sent over *shruggs*

its good fun when the package arrives !

its a small world nowdayzzzz

Old 30th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by stedel
Hmmm mind if I hi-jack my own post for a moment folks, I need to ask mwagener (God it sounds so formal) a question....

Hi Michael, if you re-visit this post..erm..the Groove Tube Vipre...I posted on another Forum about this unit last year when I first saw an ad for it in Mix magazine..I was very interested in it at the time....not many had heard about it...and I forgot all about it. At the time I thought wow! Looks pretty cool.

I was visiting Mercenary's site and noticed they carried it, clicked on the link, and got a PDF...it was like that old Hot Chocolate song...you know "You Sexy Thing!"...I noticed on wiggy's desert island mic-pre you picked that one..
is it really that good? Should I go through the pain of lusting after another piece of gear that doesn't have a ****in' Australian Distributer?
And trying to get a Vipre & a Chandler into this desert starved isle? I like it here, it's my home...but....isn't there some sort of American relief program I can become part of? Is it as good as the idea of it (the Vipre) reads? Much appreciate any comment you can give on this pretty amazing looking piece of gear...

Your humble Jeez why does he have every bit of gear that I'm interested in (don't you also have ADAM speakers that we also can't get here?) poor Australian Cousin....
Stedel
stedel

It may be time for that trip to good 'ol USA after allheh Short of that I can only say that the VIPRE is my first choice of mic pre for anything that I want to sound B I G. It works great with a lot of different microphones, because you can adjust the input impedance. The rise time switch comes in handy for stuff with too many fast transients (singers with that Letterman gap in their teeth). Talk to Fletcher and see if he can ship one to ya. I'm sure you will like it and won't send it back.
ADAMs yes, love them
Old 1st July 2002
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Hi Michael, thanks for your reply...well I will contact Fletcher...I wonder if he's into Overseas Aid though...He does like Avalon...and he does know Winton Morrow....but then that means he probably knows how far away Australia is....

Mercenary Fletcher....

Missionary Fletcher.....?

Hmmm I don't know,doesn't sound the same really does it? Damn is he really the saint that thousands
claim?

Fletcher...if you re-visit this post..
Hi
Did you get my message re Avalon last week?
You know...the one where I said it was great what you guys did? A totally gratuitous compliment without any hint of personal gain for me?


Y'know Australia really isn't that far away...well it's true it took my family 4 weeks on a boat to emigrate out here....but they've got aeroplanes now! It's much faster it's only ...a few hours..or so...kind of....
Old 1st July 2002
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Hey Stedel,

Just remember you have to pay postage and GST to try the sucker.
Thats why I still have not tried or brought the great river neve, the guy who gets them in here in OZ. Does buy to try, actually Fletcher is cheaper including freight then this guy is as well.
Old 1st July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by davemc
Hey Stedel,

Just remember you have to pay postage and GST to try the sucker.
Thats why I still have not tried or brought the great river neve, the guy who gets them in here in OZ. Does buy to try, actually Fletcher is cheaper including freight then this guy is as well.
Trouble is Dave, everything I've tested so far I end up trying to figure out a way of buying it.


Erm BTW...I don't know if you've noticed but I'm trying - with a great deal of sensitivity and subtlety - to get Fletcher do do this...would you mind not posting anything else that might scare him away please

Thanx.

In the really convenient, getting closer all the time, continent of Australia - Stedel

PS Dave..Anyway GST is better than the pain of not being able to use this gear tut And..don't you have an ABN to claim on the GST anyway?

Doubletut
Old 1st July 2002
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Vegamite Sangwich

Quote:
Originally posted by stedel
Hi Michael, thanks for your reply...well I will contact Fletcher...I wonder if he's into Overseas Aid though...He does like Avalon...and he does know Winton Morrow....but then that means he probably knows how far away Australia is....
I'm very familiar with how far away Australia is... a lovely 15 hour non-smoking flight from LA... not that it makes any difference... but M-A was the firm that bought the two remaining 8078's from 301, as well about a dozen other Neve desks from the ABC... if you're ever hanging around the bar at the Sebel in Sydney... tell Mario the barman I said "hey"... last couple of times I was there he seemed to remember me (I don't know if that's a good thing or not...)

So, with that out of the way... yes I would definitely say that the 'Vipre' is without a doubt one of the most versatile units I have ever experienced... and we'd be happy to ship one 'down under' ... hell, we even have the correct wall plugs for Australia, so we'll change the voltage, and put the proper AC plug on an IEC [international standard power cord thingy] cable for you.

As for liking Avalon... yes, the two firms have been friends for many years... and I have to say that they really build a stunning sounding product as well.

Quote:
Did you get my message re Avalon last week?
You know...the one where I said it was great what you guys did? A totally gratuitous compliment without any hint of personal gain for me?
I don't believe I did... but if you'd like to send it again... it seems that my ISP hasn't been forwarding me all the messages I seem to be sent... [mother****ers seem to let every spanish porn site and Nigerian hustler spam my ass on a continual basis... not to mention the 3 or more versions of the "Klez" virus that seem to come through everyday... praise the lord for 'Norton Anti-Virus' or I'd be most ****ed!!!], but seem to be missing serious emails from time to time.


Quote:
Y'know Australia really isn't that far away...well it's true it took my family 4 weeks on a boat to emigrate out here....but they've got aeroplanes now! It's much faster it's only ...a few hours..or so...kind of....
Air freight works very nicely... we seem to have had the best result using FedEx to Oz... if you don't have a 'FedEx number', just give them a call and they'll issue you a number over the phone.

I hope this is of some assistance, please feel free to contact me via email... [email protected]
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