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Old 19th June 2002
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Use of Fatso

Hi Jules,
Just wondering did you ever use the Fatso on a send/return basis?
Old 19th June 2002
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I'm not Jules... but we've had lunch if that counts...

I use the FATSO Jr. mostly in tracking... but when mixing I will very often put it either across a 'stereo cue send' or a couple of busses [ not the 2 Mix buss], then bring it back on a couple of extra faders

I usually run drums through it, sometimes backing vocals as well, even guitars. I generally have it setup in "spank" mode, with the "warmth" at like '4', with the 'tranny' engaged... then send stuff to it to add in with the 'unprocessed' signals.

Let me also mention that I work mostly on analog consoles, so this sort of thing is very easy to accomplish. If I were working in a DAW then I would print the tracks that went through the FATSO Jr... and shift them in time so they would actually line up with the original tracks... but frankly, if I were working on a DAW, that would usually be more of a pain in the balls than I would be willing to endure so I would probably forego the whole thing...

As always, YMMV.
Old 19th June 2002
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Food for thought as usual from Fletcher, when the caffeine manages to cut through the hayfever pills I will put my mind to how to use that send stratagy in my DAW rig...



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Old 20th June 2002
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Tommorrow I'll start mixing the band I've been recording the past 2 days. I started setting the mix up tonight and ended up with the drums minus kick and lead guitars all getting bussed into the fatso with the buss compressor on and warmth at 3 or 4. Helped round out some of the harshness and cut down on some of the transients from the cymbals and leads. Making everything sit a little better.
Its pretty cool starting to mix on an analog board. I finally set up a drum crush channel and didnt have to worry about track aligning. Word up.
Old 20th June 2002
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Originally posted by planet red
Tommorrow I'll start mixing the band I've been recording the past 2 days. I started setting the mix up tonight and ended up with the drums minus kick and lead guitars all getting bussed into the fatso with the buss compressor on and warmth at 3 or 4. Helped round out some of the harshness and cut down on some of the transients from the cymbals and leads. Making everything sit a little better.
Its pretty cool starting to mix on an analog board. I finally set up a drum crush channel and didnt have to worry about track aligning. Word up.
Consoles are good mmkay!
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Old 20th June 2002
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Thing is, sending to the Fatso in ProTools will mean a delay because of the D/A. I suppose this will cause problems when Fatso return is mixed in with the original signals.
Old 20th June 2002
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Before you get too depressed the Fatso is made to record through... enjoy that!

Meanwhile I will think up a way you can use it in your DAW!

Old 21st June 2002
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Originally posted by Daire Winston
Thing is, sending to the Fatso in ProTools will mean a delay because of the D/A. I suppose this will cause problems when Fatso return is mixed in with the original signals.
Don't forget the A/D part of the 'latency equasion' if you're mixing in Alsihad...

As for dealing with the latency thing... when you're sending stuff out of Alsihad to analog stuff... try copying the tracks you plan on sending, moving them ahead by the amount of the latency of the system, then send the copied tracks to an unused set of outputs, run that through the 'analog device'... return the analog device to another set of tracks that are "bussed" to your main outputs and you should be fine.

Is it a pain in the ass? Hell yes... but it's a "workaround" that will indeed allow you to get something closer to a decent sound from a crap system. If you're billing by the hour look at it as not only a method to get the music to sound better... but money in the bank.

I think I already mentioned the other method... which is sending the tracks out to the FATSO Jr., then recording them on a couple of Alsihad tracks, then moving those tracks forward in time [eats up less processor power]... the only bitch of doing it that way is that if you decide to change the balance of stuff that ran through the FATSO Jr. you have to do the "bounce" all over again (think making better product, and billing by the hour...).

Let's face it... mixing in Alsihad has never been an "A" scenario... but if you don't have some kind of console with those kinds of capabilities, then you're sentenced to 'workarounds'.
Old 21st June 2002
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I use this duplicate track trick often with drums, preferring not to over tweak the original tracks, I go insane with processing on COPY tracks, then blend them all in with the originals..


Old 21st June 2002
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I have found some good use tracking bass and drum overheads through this box,but to track vox and guitars (acoustic or electric) through it at this point is just not my cup of tea.I have tried every setting and combo on vox and guitars and I will take a pass, on acoustics guitars it could make me puke.Now I am taking my time with this because I thought I did not like what the Hedd's tape knob was doing untill I found out it was pilot error, now I kind of miss it.As far as mixing out through it I am on a DAW and I will take a pass all together on that subject.Overall it is a piece that got alot of hype being the junkie that I am I am trying it out but not sure if I like the buzz!
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Old 21st June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher


Don't forget the A/D part of the 'latency equasion' if you're mixing in Alsihad...

As for dealing with the latency thing... when you're sending stuff out of Alsihad to analog stuff... try copying the tracks you plan on sending, moving them ahead by the amount of the latency of the system, then send the copied tracks to an unused set of outputs, run that through the 'analog device'... return the analog device to another set of tracks that are "bussed" to your main outputs and you should be fine.

Is it a pain in the ass? Hell yes... but it's a "workaround" that will indeed allow you to get something closer to a decent sound from a crap system. If you're billing by the hour look at it as not only a method to get the music to sound better... but money in the bank.

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Well I don't know what you charge per minute, but I do know that the second or third time you try the above scenario it will only take you about 30 seconds. Another quick scenario, which doesn't involve the risk of actually moving a track in time, involves just feeding your submix to two auxes. Send one out and back to the Fatso, and use a plugin to put an appropriate amount of delay on the other, balance to taste. You'll still have to deal with matching delays in various tracks for rhythmic integrity (deciding when it matters and compensating accordingly), but you have to do that anyway.

I don't know much about the Fatso. Is it's effect analog or is it digital processing. If the latter, then shouldn't there be a way to go in and out digitally? That's how the HEDD works, right? (or is that comparing apples and oranges).

-Rick
Old 22nd June 2002
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Fatso is all analog Rickster.. and

I run most everything through mine,

On acc it takes off the pick noise I hate on digital

On vocals it acts as a de-esser somewhat

It takes the fizz off dist gtrs

It tames 'chirp' or metalic fret noise on bass

It makes kick n snare less plastic, or irratating - ditto shaker..

etc..
Old 22nd June 2002
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For some reason I really dont like the fatso on vocals at all. Other then that its perfect for just about everything I throw at it, but if used a little too much your mixes can get a litte 'dull'.
If im going for a super clean acoustic sound I dont touch the fatso. Normally though thats not the sound I'm going for and the fatty makes them sit really well with electric guitar tracks.
Old 22nd June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Fatso is all analog Rickster.. and

I run most everything through mine,


etc..
Is there any real science behind the box or is it just a big honkin' transformer encased in black epoxy so nobody knows how simple it is?

-R
Old 22nd June 2002
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If I detect a little frustration there Rick, I am totally sympathetic.. It is pricey, NOT a distressor, not an 'amazing' compressor and merely does one subtle job (very well IMHO).

It is a super fast HF transient limiter. The designer claims it was difficult to emulate.. I belive him.

As an owner myself of high cost digital gear that gets pissed of with the sound, it was hard for me to be 'overjoyed' at lashing further $$$ for a box to 'fix' the problem.

But... it does.
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