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What is your favorite 'piston' ribbon microphone and why?
Old 14th March 2021
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What is your favorite 'piston' ribbon microphone and why?

Trying to just get ideas and a general discussion going here. Such as bang for the buck and special uses as well as your personal experiences or insights. Thanks in advance
Old 14th March 2021
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This is all kind of second hand and I don't know what "piston" actually means. But I recently got a kick-out track from a guy and the low end went really, really low. Not a subkick. He said it was a Samar mic, don't know the model, and that it was a "piston" design and very inexpensive, like $400. And also good for loud amps as well as the usual brass and such.
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Best cheap Ribbon mics I have found are those Russian Anamorphic Ribbon mics on eBay. Got some a few years ago and love em. I own a Royer R121 and it hangs with it, not quite the same top end, slightly different mids but amazing for the money.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Handcrafted...4AAOSwc1FZwNoF
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I'd check out the Samar website.. if i recall he says he's the only one offering the piston thing revision on the Beyer ribbons so he must be an expert on the subject... i think there aren't many piston style corrugated ribbons apart from Beyer in production but might be wrong - -
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Samar AL95 is a 'piston' design. None of these are actually pistons with connecting rods or roller cranks. Altho... they can sound good with the proper valve train...
Old 15th March 2021
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Thank you. So we have Beyerdynamic and Samar - any others? ty
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Originally Posted by s wave ➡️
Thank you. So we have Beyerdynamic and Samar - any others? ty
While there were a few vintage ‘piston’ ribbons, to my knowledge Beyer and our AL95 are the only current models I am aware of. Obviously, they have totally different approaches, with Beyer having a tiny ribbon, about 0.065”x1”, and AL95 large size with dimensions 0.25”x1.5”.

The only another ‘piston’ ribbon of relatively recent vintage I am familiar with was Groove Tubes Velo 8. We discussed with Aspen this mic in great details and he sent me a few for re-ribboning/servicing before his tragic passing.

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Originally Posted by Marik ➡️
While there were a few vintage ‘piston’ ribbons, to my knowledge Beyer and our AL95 are the only current models I am aware of. Obviously, they have totally different approaches, with Beyer having a tiny ribbon, about 0.065”x1”, and AL95 large size with dimensions 0.25”x1.5”.

The only another ‘piston’ ribbon of relatively recent vintage I am familiar with was Groove Tubes Velo 8. We discussed with Aspen this mic in great details and he sent me a few for re-ribboning/servicing before his tragic passing.

Best, M
Yes - I have seen many piston style mics like in the 30's I want to say) It is very interesting on HOW the flat ribbon can extend the HIGH frequency range. Way back they many variations and hybrids of the corrugated-flat configurated surface. The spectrals on the AL95 are quite unlike many other modern ribbons. I know that similar discussions have been going on for years on GS. BUT every once in a while - someone chimes in with an unobvious stunning technology/engineering whether just in theory or old low tech or something else - this is ALWAYS worth exploring and musing about. thx for posting
Old 16th March 2021
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Audio Technica AT4081 is another current pistonic ribbon. Read some of my thoughts about it in relation to other ribbons here: Jecklin or 4 mic array for string quartet ?
Also see this post of mine: Jecklin or 4 mic array for string quartet ?
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Audio Technica AT4081 is another current pistonic ribbon. Read some of my thoughts about it in relation to other ribbons here: Jecklin or 4 mic array for string quartet ?
Also see this post of mine: Jecklin or 4 mic array for string quartet ?
I was trying to find pic of the ribbon. (Nice recordings by the way) wonder if it is indented or how it is jigged or corrugated edges...? thx much -
Old 17th March 2021
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So what’s a piston ribbon? I haven’t heard this term before. Sounds interesting.

Edit: found a video by Marik in a Samar thread, cool concept.
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I was trying to find pic of the ribbon. (Nice recordings by the way) wonder if it is indented or how it is jigged or corrugated edges...? thx much -
Here you go: Samar Debuts A New Figure-of-eight Ribbon
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So what’s a piston ribbon? I haven’t heard this term before. Sounds interesting.

Edit: found a video by Marik in a Samar thread, cool concept.
From what I know it is the action which is called 'piston'. a corrogated zig zag ribbon has ALL kind of movement from its basic engineering which has it's pro and cons. A piston ribbon (from what I have seen) has a flat section on axis~? and or longitudinal corrugations - which can capture more high frequencies... ?
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From what I know it is the action which is called 'piston'. a corrogated zig zag ribbon has ALL kind of movement from its basic engineering which has it's pro and cons. A piston ribbon (from what I have seen) has a flat section on axis~? and or longitudinal corrugations - which can capture more high frequencies... ?
Thanks for this screenshots! That looks awesome, and the Samar mics are definitely on my list of mics to check out in the future, when I’m hopefully in a better position to make any purchases.
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Received my AL95 pair from Marc yesterday!
Tried them in my living room with an acoustic guitar today and they sound really promising...
I'll use them next week in a recording of ancient vocal music in a chapel, and post some samples soon!
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Received my AL95 pair from Marc yesterday!
Tried them in my living room with an acoustic guitar today and they sound really promising...
I'll use them next week in a recording of ancient vocal music in a chapel, and post some samples soon!
Heard much about them. Would love to hear some samples. Thx for posting. tc
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