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Amphion amp (Anaview AMS) vs Hypex Ncore NC400
View Poll Results: Which sounds better for studio monitoring applications?
Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
2 Votes - 28.57%
Hypex Ncore (NC400)
5 Votes - 71.43%
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Old 7th December 2016
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Amphion amp (Anaview AMS) vs Hypex Ncore NC400

The Amphion amp100 & amp500 use Anaview AMS0100 & AMS1000 modules respectively.

Has anyone compared these with the reigning heavy-weight of this segment the Hypex Ncore?

On paper the Ncore looks better, but paper doesn't always translate to the real world. Thanks!
Old 12th December 2016
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Anssi, told me he went thru all the top class D contenders and in the end the choice was obvious.

Hopefully he will chime in and share his findings.
Old 28th September 2017
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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Old 30th September 2017
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
no one ever compared hypex vs anaview ? :(
Old 25th October 2017
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My Choice: Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
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Well to me the Anaview AMS range is the clear winner.
But don't take it from me, I custom build amplifiers for clients using the Anaview AMS series so you might say I am biased.







Last edited by Emanuel23; 26th October 2017 at 11:35 AM.. Reason: (layout issue .. remains unsolved though)
Old 26th October 2017
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Interesting topic. Recently been switching between a Parasound a21 A/B amp and the Amphion 500. While the Parasound sounds huge and big and flat. There is a speed in the top half of the spectrum that feels faster and clearer in the Amphion 500.

What are people experiences with amps and Amphions? I would love the speed of the Amphion top end and the deep and clear bass of the Parasound at the same time.

Thanks for the input!
Old 26th October 2017
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The AMS series distortion vs frequency graph is a but troubling, only offering performance equivalent to 15bit PCM at it's best (at 1kHz) ..

Besides, can you really trust someone who can't spell "Parallel"?

Have a look at the Benchmark Media Systems AHB2


https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements
Old 26th October 2017 | Show parent
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My Choice: Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
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Originally Posted by XKAudio ➡️
While the Parasound sounds huge and big and flat. There is a speed in the top half of the spectrum that feels faster and clearer in the Amphion 500.

What are people experiences with amps and Amphions? I would love the speed of the Amphion top end and the deep and clear bass of the Parasound at the same time.

Thanks for the input!
We tested the Parasound A21 versus 2 Anaview AMS1000 modules in BTL (= 2x Amphion Amp500) on the latest B&W 800 d3's.

The Parasound amp was not up to the task, it sounded weak and unfocussed.
There were barely dynamics left, and the 'depth' was artificial sounding.
In terms of deep and clear bass; none of these qualities were present with the Parasound.

The Anaview modules on the other hand blew everyone away.
Those B&W800 were pushing air like 747's do, without breaking a sweat.
Mind you 2x 900W into 4ohm, yet highly efficient on the outlets.
Bass and dynamics were super deep and fast.
Mid and hi's were hi-resolution and clean.
This was a no brainer really.
Old 26th October 2017 | Show parent
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My Choice: Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
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Originally Posted by zmix ➡️
The AMS series distortion vs frequency graph is a but troubling, only offering performance equivalent to 15bit PCM at it's best (at 1kHz) .. https://www.stereophile.com/content/...r-measurements
No idea what you are talking about.

There's low distortion on the AMS series, sounding clean as a whistle.
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Old 26th October 2017
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Not sure where zmix gets the 15bit equivalence from but the Benchmark amp produces substantially less noise and THD than the Amphion.

THD+noise is about -94dB for the Amphion and -113dB for the Benchmark or in percentages Amphion 0.002% vs Benchmark 0.0002%.
Come to think of it this is where he got it from because an ideal 16bit system gives -96dB and the Amphion does not quite achieve this under one set of conditions according to your thumbnail.
In other circumstances it reaches nearly -100dB.

My own heavy and quite standard class AB amps do -108dB but the Benchmark has moved the goalposts for amps.
Interesting design from what I gather it is a class H current dumper.

I'd be interested in the Benchmark but my mains are active so I would need at least 3 but probably 4 of them (100W is a bit meager) and at a list price of $3000 each it quickly adds up to too much.
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My Choice: Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
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... and at a list price of $3000 each it quickly adds up to too much.
Exactly, it's about price point too and D-class has a significant advantage here.

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Old 26th October 2017
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Sure price counts.

However were I to use passives (never gonna happen) and only needed one stereo amp I'd either go for the Hypex nCore modules for a few hundreds or go all out for the Benchmark.
The Amphion is a bit of a nowhere thing. Not cheap enough to choose over Hypex, not good enough to compete with Benchmark.

Hopefully I get another ten years out the amps I already have. :-)
Old 27th October 2017 | Show parent
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No idea what you are talking about.

There's low distortion on the AMS series, sounding clean as a whistle.
That graph looks very good..! It is from the OEM datasheet, and it looks much better than the measurement I saw of a third party implementation.

There is a strange bump in the THD+N between 3 and 100 watts where it increases to 0.02% ( -74dB roughly equivalent to the noise floor of 12 bit audio).

None of these niggles really matter anyway, there isn't a transducer made that has less than .01% THD+N (and the one that does is a $60K headphone driver!)

I'm happy to see that there is some competition in the Class D world, my attitude is similar to O.F.F., In fact I do have a Hypex nCore based amp that I use now, it's so good I never think about it, really.. and if I change it would be to the Benchmark.
Old 28th October 2017
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
I just bought a Apollon Amp this week.. based on Hypex NC500 modules.
NC800 SLIM Hypex Based Class D Amplifier | Apollon Audio

A fresh company from Vienna.. they know what they do and their amps sound phenomenal.
This amp costs 1490€ incl. VAT and built quality is one of the best I've seen.
I don't see the reason anymore now, to spend money on other manufactures who charge much more.
Highly recommended
Old 29th October 2017 | Show parent
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My Choice: Amphion/Anaview amp/AMS series
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Originally Posted by zmix ➡️
There is a strange bump in the THD+N between 3 and 100 watts where it increases to 0.02% ( -74dB roughly equivalent to the noise floor of 12 bit audio).
I can testify from everyday use that none of these figures translate the way you put it into the real world. In fact the Dynamic range is quoted to be 115 dB (see that same OEM manual), which of course is top notch and perfectly describes how they actually sound.
Old 16th April 2018 | Show parent
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I just bought a Apollon Amp this week.. based on Hypex NC500 modules.
NC800 SLIM Hypex Based Class D Amplifier | Apollon Audio

A fresh company from Vienna.. they know what they do and their amps sound phenomenal.
This amp costs 1490€ incl. VAT and built quality is one of the best I've seen.
I don't see the reason anymore now, to spend money on other manufactures who charge much more.
Highly recommended
This answer sadly does not compare to the Anaview.

However, I also have recently bought from Apollon Audio (nc500-based monoblocks with Sonic Imagery discrete opamp buffers) and I can attest to their sound quality. Extremely detailed, total transparency (they have a character, due to the opamp, but this can be changed to suit the rest of your system by rolling the opamps and/or the internal signal wiring), extremely good imaging, excellent bass control.

To my ears (trained composer, even though I moved to a VERY different career) they are much better than other amps I have listened or tested with the same loudspeakers, including NAIM (NAC 32.5 + NAP 140), Abrahamsen (v30UP+v40UP), Teddy Pardo i80, Lavardin IS... one cannot go wrong, unless they want a very specific character.
Old 18th April 2018 | Show parent
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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Originally Posted by midmost ➡️
I just bought a Apollon Amp this week.. based on Hypex NC500 modules.
NC800 SLIM Hypex Based Class D Amplifier | Apollon Audio

A fresh company from Vienna.. they know what they do and their amps sound phenomenal.
This amp costs 1490€ incl. VAT and built quality is one of the best I've seen.
I don't see the reason anymore now, to spend money on other manufactures who charge much more.
Highly recommended
Do you have chance to test their NCMP products as well?
That is based on the MP serious.
Old 18th April 2018 | Show parent
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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Do you have chance to test their NCMP products as well?
That is based on the MP serious.
I haven't
Old 14th May 2018
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
Yeah I got my Apollon NC800SL today!
Will do more sound test and real listen this weekend
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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Yeah I got my Apollon NC800SL today!
Will do more sound test and real listen this weekend
which speakers are you using with it?
Old 14th May 2018 | Show parent
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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which speakers are you using with it?
I am using Kef R30
I don't have a proper DAC, I am using my Denon X4300H as my preamp only.
Old 29th December 2018 | Show parent
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It's been a year now, are you satisfied with it? May I ask what monitors are those driving?

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Originally Posted by midmost ➡️
I just bought a Apollon Amp this week.. based on Hypex NC500 modules.
NC800 SLIM Hypex Based Class D Amplifier | Apollon Audio

A fresh company from Vienna.. they know what they do and their amps sound phenomenal.
This amp costs 1490€ incl. VAT and built quality is one of the best I've seen.
I don't see the reason anymore now, to spend money on other manufactures who charge much more.
Highly recommended
Old 30th December 2018 | Show parent
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My Choice: Hypex Ncore (NC400)
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It's been a year now, are you satisfied with it? May I ask what monitors are those driving?
It's been more than a year
I was driving Dynaudios BM15 and was very very satisfied with the amp.
If I ever were to have passive speakers again, I'd go with Hypex/Apollon again.
Meanwhile I am however have ATC SCM100A
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