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Old 12th November 2021
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Re-amp guitars issues/questions

Hi guys/girls,

so I'm recording at home my guitar with Cakewalk, using an Amp sim in within the DAW from Overloud.
Now I would like to use my DD-200 Boss pedal as an effect instead of the plugins within the DAW.
For convenience I would like to be able to re-amp the delay effect for the following reasons:
- The effects should sound better after distortion (amp sim in my DAW) as it is usually placed at the end of the signal chain
- If I place the delay effect before the audio interface and before getting into my daw the guitar will be recorded with the delay, not clean, this means that if I would like to change the delay settings after recording for some reason (like delay time, intensity, type or whatever) or maybe because I notice some mistake, I will need to record everything again, while if I re-amp the delay I can re-play the clean track recorded in my daw, and re-amp it back with the delay where I would be free to change the settings.

Now, I have read that instead of buying a re-amp box, I could use whatever Boss pedal (like my boss tuner for instance) as a reamp box, because apparently it has the same functionality, watch the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RU...ture=emb_title

Can you confirm this can be done?

Also, since I have an interface with only one input, it's a really basic Seinberg UR12, I would need to buy a new audio interface so that with 2 inputs/outputs I can re-amp it.
I'm just a bit struggling to understand which one would better fit for my needs.
I would like, if possible, to be able to not switch cables and do re-amping in the second step after recording, but I would like to be able to do that simultaneusly, with that I mean recording the clean track while reamping at the same time, because I would need to hear the Boss DD-200 effect while I record the track.
So based on these infos, how many output/inputs I would need to have in my audio interface?
I'm considering these 2 models, of course there is a big difference in price, so I would like to get the Focusrite 2i2, but not sure if with those 2 line outputs would be enough,
maybe I could use the headphone output to be able to listen to the track while I record, and the 2 line outputs on the back to re-amp? Or do I need to get the 4i4 Focusrite?
Please notice the delay pedal effect would be better recorded in stereo, in any case I should also consider the price difference, if it worth it.

Also this is very interesting, I'm really considering this, has an integrated re-amp function, so no need to use a Boss pedal or buy a re.amp box, and is a tube preamp, it's specific for guitars but also you can plug a microfone or a keybord.

https://audient.com/products/audio-i...sono/overview/
Old 14th November 2021
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Quote:
Originally Posted by svemir ➡️
Hi guys/girls,

so I'm recording at home my guitar with Cakewalk, using an Amp sim in within the DAW from Overloud.
Now I would like to use my DD-200 Boss pedal as an effect instead of the plugins within the DAW.
For convenience I would like to be able to re-amp the delay effect for the following reasons:
- The effects should sound better after distortion (amp sim in my DAW) as it is usually placed at the end of the signal chain
- If I place the delay effect before the audio interface and before getting into my daw the guitar will be recorded with the delay, not clean, this means that if I would like to change the delay settings after recording for some reason (like delay time, intensity, type or whatever) or maybe because I notice some mistake, I will need to record everything again, while if I re-amp the delay I can re-play the clean track recorded in my daw, and re-amp it back with the delay where I would be free to change the settings.

Now, I have read that instead of buying a re-amp box, I could use whatever Boss pedal (like my boss tuner for instance) as a reamp box, because apparently it has the same functionality, watch the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RU...ture=emb_title

Can you confirm this can be done?

Also, since I have an interface with only one input, it's a really basic Seinberg UR12, I would need to buy a new audio interface so that with 2 inputs/outputs I can re-amp it.
I'm just a bit struggling to understand which one would better fit for my needs.
I would like, if possible, to be able to not switch cables and do re-amping in the second step after recording, but I would like to be able to do that simultaneusly, with that I mean recording the clean track while reamping at the same time, because I would need to hear the Boss DD-200 effect while I record the track.
So based on these infos, how many output/inputs I would need to have in my audio interface?
I'm considering these 2 models, of course there is a big difference in price, so I would like to get the Focusrite 2i2, but not sure if with those 2 line outputs would be enough,
maybe I could use the headphone output to be able to listen to the track while I record, and the 2 line outputs on the back to re-amp? Or do I need to get the 4i4 Focusrite?
Please notice the delay pedal effect would be better recorded in stereo, in any case I should also consider the price difference, if it worth it.

Also this is very interesting, I'm really considering this, has an integrated re-amp function, so no need to use a Boss pedal or buy a re.amp box, and is a tube preamp, it's specific for guitars but also you can plug a microfone or a keybord.

https://audient.com/products/audio-i...sono/overview/
What you would like to do is not called "re-amping" but more "using an external hardware insert in Cubase". You can look that up in Google. However, it seems like an awful lot of headache just to use a digital delay box. There are plugin delays that are much better and powerful. For example Valahalla Delay.

"re-amping" is mostly used for a different purpose. First you record a guitar part into your DAW, which will allow to edit the part as you want, then you record the guitar track though a guitar amplifier using a microphone. ( if you own a tiny solid state amp you are better off just using amp sims)

Last edited by numero6; 14th November 2021 at 05:03 PM.. Reason: Clarity
Old 14th November 2021
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Getting a new interface just to record an external delay is not a good use of money. Digital is very good at delay.
I’m not sure the low end interfaces can do that, and even if they can, unless they are intended for use with guitars, it may be hard to get a signal of right level and impedance into the pedal, so it will likely sound worse than staying in the box.
If you are determined to try, I know it can be done with a Helix Stomp - it has effects of its own, but will also happily drive external pedals or amps. I’ve done it in Cakewalk.

EDIT: another advantage of delay ITB is that it can be synced to the tempo of the project and you can choose subdivisions to taste. This will likely sound better than an external pedal that is a bit off tempo. Sonitus in Cakewalk will do this and it’s free.
Old 14th November 2021
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Originally Posted by svemir ➡️
Hi guys/girls,

so I'm recording at home my guitar with Cakewalk, using an Amp sim in within the DAW from Overloud.
Now I would like to use my DD-200 Boss pedal as an effect instead of the plugins within the DAW.
For convenience I would like to be able to re-amp the delay effect for the following reasons:
- The effects should sound better after distortion (amp sim in my DAW) as it is usually placed at the end of the signal chain
- If I place the delay effect before the audio interface and before getting into my daw the guitar will be recorded with the delay, not clean, this means that if I would like to change the delay settings after recording for some reason (like delay time, intensity, type or whatever) or maybe because I notice some mistake, I will need to record everything again, while if I re-amp the delay I can re-play the clean track recorded in my daw, and re-amp it back with the delay where I would be free to change the settings.

Now, I have read that instead of buying a re-amp box, I could use whatever Boss pedal (like my boss tuner for instance) as a reamp box, because apparently it has the same functionality, watch the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-RU...ture=emb_title

Can you confirm this can be done?

Also, since I have an interface with only one input, it's a really basic Seinberg UR12, I would need to buy a new audio interface so that with 2 inputs/outputs I can re-amp it.
I'm just a bit struggling to understand which one would better fit for my needs.
I would like, if possible, to be able to not switch cables and do re-amping in the second step after recording, but I would like to be able to do that simultaneusly, with that I mean recording the clean track while reamping at the same time, because I would need to hear the Boss DD-200 effect while I record the track.
So based on these infos, how many output/inputs I would need to have in my audio interface?
I'm considering these 2 models, of course there is a big difference in price, so I would like to get the Focusrite 2i2, but not sure if with those 2 line outputs would be enough,
maybe I could use the headphone output to be able to listen to the track while I record, and the 2 line outputs on the back to re-amp? Or do I need to get the 4i4 Focusrite?
Please notice the delay pedal effect would be better recorded in stereo, in any case I should also consider the price difference, if it worth it.

Also this is very interesting, I'm really considering this, has an integrated re-amp function, so no need to use a Boss pedal or buy a re.amp box, and is a tube preamp, it's specific for guitars but also you can plug a microfone or a keybord.

https://audient.com/products/audio-i...sono/overview/
Re-amping involves
1. taking a LINE signal from the LINE out of your interface and running it into a re-amp unit to step the signal from a LINE level to INSTRUMENT level.
2. Running the INSTRUMENT level signal into
a. Amp input then to a speaker mic'd back through a preamp back to daw (via mic pre on the interface)
b, SIM out to a line input on interface back to DAW
c. Guitar preamp or pedal. If pre has a line out, this can run to another studio rack device (eg compressor) back to line in on the interface back to daw alternatively if a pedal, this has to run to a DI, then out to a line input on interface back to DAW as it is an INSTRUMENT level signal. Similar if you are running to a tube head-then to a loadbox-then to IR back out to a line input on interface back to DAW.
As you can see re-amping involves stepping down the signal from LINE to INSTRUMENT, then back to LINE level.
Buffer is used to boost the instrument level signal to compensate for the losses on a long cable run or with too many lossy pedals. This can often do more harm on a long line of pedals then good, because you are piling up buffered signals.
You can find more on buffers here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZY...=ThatPedalShow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Yq...nnel=JHSPedals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxMcGrHZM0U
Reamping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm46WaRUkFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm46WaRUkFw

There are some PASSIVE di's which can be used as a reamp box but the quality depends on the quality of the transformer.
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Yes but that’s not what he’s trying to do.
Btw you can do all of that very simply, and cheaper with any guitar fx unit that has a multi-way interface and an fx send. Cheaper, that is, than buying specialist revamping gear if you don’t already own it, as you clearly do.
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Originally Posted by grannis ➡️
Yes but that’s not what he’s trying to do.
Btw you can do all of that very simply, and cheaper with any guitar fx unit that has a multi-way interface and an fx send. Cheaper, that is, than buying specialist revamping gear if you don’t already own it, as you clearly do.
You can use things which have a line in and an instrument out of sorts, but they all affect the tone much more then a relatively cheap passive reamper.
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