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Jauqq
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Took a bit of head scratching to come up with this, but it’s basically similar to your method, getting the sample into a PC in a lossless way for editing and chops, and then back to the sampler with no loss to sound.
I’m using paid Translator, but I’m not sure if this simple conversion can be done in the free version. Yes Translator can be a touch buggy at times, crash, but for this simple conversion it works fine for me.
The REX2 file I save as is like a “container” for the samples, mapped and in a patch. Translator then converts that to Roland format. My method would also work with any other hardware sampler format that Translator converts to, Emu E4, Akai S3000, although I don’t think the newer version does Akai S950…. Been promised for years….
They were used by some big names in the mid 90’s. Everyone says Photek was Emu, well yes when he got the advance from Virgin, but Photek 1-3 and earlier was Roland W30. Photek 4 onwards until Virgin label was Roland S750.
Source Direct were also Roland S750 (plus JV1080) for everything up to and including Snake Style/ Exit 9.
Secret Liaison is S750 on the Amen
(The Crane is Akai S3000 on the Amen, S750 for the rest)
T-Power/ Atomic Dog (Marc Royal) another Roland user, but S760.
Check the S760 Amen work here, even Roland time stretch on the snare:
Yes there is a “bug” where certain percussive sounds will be off time, send S760/S750 one track of 16ths, and over a minute you’ll hear a few off time. But send it a few more MIDI tracks and that off timing disappears. I feel it’s a MIDI timing bug, that for some reason only shows on single tracks, but goes when using it in real world musical examples)
Yeah it seems like regarding the lossless transfer to edit / chop - a lot of us all had the same general idea.
You stating your method regarding this is really useful.
I can relate the scratching ones head over it.
I initially did it in a completely different way to Mr Samplers.
I used the S950 RS232 serial port as kind of a usb to scsi alternative with a £5 cable.
And that also works but in a more rudimentary manner (I wasn't creating programs or editing keygroups or anything).
It was like a faster version of midi sample dump, with just 1 small step extra to real SCSI transmission via Recycle. It was pretty sweet tbh. I'm just spoilt with mote advanced options now.
If anyone's ever in a pinch financially and wants to do it for just a few dollars rather than $50 - $100 with a HXC / Gotek drive, or the big bucks for SCSI & a SD HD emulaion board, the software is called S950rs and the cable on ebay or Amazon is a USB to RC232 (DB25).
It will transfer WAV files on the PC side if i remember (I can't remember if that's both ways though, I can't actually remember if I converted from Akai to WAV at any point, as I dropped this method pretty fast (there's nothing wrong with it though, it does work), but there's tools for Akai to WAV if needed anyway. It must of worked both ways or there was a way to do this as I remember pulling samples from the Akai and sending chops back successfully.
Just a heads up for anyone reading this thread in the future.
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AuldLangSine
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You’re making it sound ridiculously over complicated.
When you sample, you click the box to start sampling. Choose “manual,” so you start the ball rolling. Don’t have it start by sensing audio. (No audio ever gets chopped off this way.)
The midi stuff is on one page. Once you set it, it remembers the settings forever— when you turn the machine off, the changed settings will be remembered.
The proper Roland mouse is readily available used. I don’t know why someone would “torture” himself by using an incompatible device.
I’ve never seen an S-770 without the Turbo upgrade by Roland, and I wouldn’t buy one without it. And it’s easy to look inside and see if the Turbo is installed.
You didn’t mention the fan and the spinning hard drive. I installed an internal flash drive and removed the then unnecessary fan.
Having a 12” screen is a negative? Hmm…
I’m not trying to convince anyone. If the goal is ease of use, most people should stick to their computer for all things audio.
I enjoy using Roland’s Fairlight. I enjoy turning on the machine, turning on the old monitor. I like everything about it— the mouse integration, the work flow, the monitor connectivity and especially the sound. I’m using it more than ever. I like that it slows me down and has me focus on sonic detail.
And these days, I’m not done there— then I sample from the S-770 analog outputs to get wav files, which I split into L/R, put into my MPC 4000 and make programs.
My current goal is (1) present, punchy sounds and (2) sizzling analog synths living inside my MPC 4000 and Z8.
It’s fun !
I do want other samplers sometimes. I don't want a software sampler. My S950 is from the late 80's and with a simple recap and LCD screen still works like a treat. Software ones and goes, is a depreciating asset and enjoy physical ownership.
A visual monitor does put me off, sorry. I already run two monitors, it just seems a bit mad for a sampler. Yes Roland sound good but so do some Akai to me, and so do various Ensoniq's and so on.
Does this thread, these convos and some
people's passion for Roland S up my interest in a Roland S series - some what yes.
I like talking about and owning samplers. Maybe it'll click and I'll get past the accessories, but it is a barrier and I haven't found a thought process that really justifies it when moving away from Akai I could get an Ensoniq or E-MU rack sampler.