Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
Wk was ten thousand (eight thousand street), the user market was smaller, focus was to post, and the sdk implementation wasn't as precise in 2009 as can be done now. Esp in-house.
What "precision" are you talking about that would exist on a future controller with a direct 'tie' to the DAW that doesn't exist today? I'm not seeing what that would be.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
I think Yamaha is going to do a seven thousand dollar controller that will street between 5-6000. Not aimed at post as they have that covered.
What makes you think they'd do that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
There are boatloads of guys who will buy a brand new U67. Bazillions. Lots of people will drop six grand on all kinds of music tools. And there ain't nothin' more common here in 2021 than the everyday daw.
If you look at all the posts made here on Gearslutz on the topic of controllers you would likely come away with the impression that there's something missing in the market and that there's great demand for something. I think that's a fair impression... superficially... Because if you look at who's posting and what they're saying you'll see that
- many want what already exists, they just didn't know it existed
- many want what already exists, but they want to pay less
- many want more than what exists, but for less money
- many don't want what others want and that essentially amounts to fractioning the market even further for any given design
So this idea that there are all these people willing to spend 7k is something I just don't buy into. Again, just read the threads. People are routinely asking for devices under 1k.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
A seven-grand controller then also provides an intermediate point for those who may later migrate further up to dm2000 or Nuage.
Serious question;
What would that 7k controller look like and what hardware features would it
omit relative to Nuage?
Because you just pointed out one of the problems which is the price of Nuage. If Nuage is say 12k, and you now introduce a controller for half that price, what would that controller NOT have that Nuage has? Because you need to still justify the existence of Nuage at 12k, right? So Nuage has to have features that justify the extra 6k. And that conversely means you can take a Nuage and cut out half of the features, or 6k worth of stuff, and then end up with your new controller.
So what would that be?
Every single time someone suggests a simpler controller this is where people get stuck, because they keep defining this new missing device as essentially a Nuage at half the price, or 80% of a Nuage at 20% of the price, and so on. Yamaha already has a problem selling Nuage so introducing something great at half-price would effectively kill Nuage. It'd be easier to just drop the price on Nuage and suck up the loss or take less of a profit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
The wk would also be too large for this type of market placement. We're talking smaller footprints for a range like this.
Smaller usually = more expensive when talking electronics.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thenoodle
➡️
Namm is ten months away. I sense a lot of activity.
I've seen that prognosis before..