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I totally get you can program the buttons and that fine, even cool if avid has set up to work really well in cubase
Avid don't configure the EuCon settings for their controllers for Cubase. Steinberg do! Or you can do it yourself! That is the great thing about EuCon controllers.
Also there are quite a few things in your list that I wouldn't want in a cheap DAW controller. Some things make no sense in a DAW controller at any price. For instance a dedicated master fader is a waste of a fader. (It is better to have your DAW's master fader at unity gain anyway). Avid ICON's or S6 or Nuage's don't have dedicated master faders for good reason. They make no sense.
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if you never sat down at an N12, and please tell me if you ever did. and you clicked the buttons they built for your cubase workflow, and it worked perfectly no issues, no crashes, and had incredible depth into cubase without layers, jsut the one button, you would see what i am trying to get to
But we all want different buttons on our controllers. I don't want the ones you need and you probably don't want the ones that I need. That is why programmable buttons make much more sense. Single function non-programmable buttons are so 1990 as far as I am concerned.
Programmable buttons with colour coding, screens or, the best of the best, OLED buttons are far superior to static buttons IMO.
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its like they had the n12 and discontinued it instead of adding motorised faders and the ability to add channel pack.
You can't just add motorised faders. They probably wouldn't even fit in the chassis. They need to do a full redesign and you say it is discontinued? Why do you think it is discontinued? It can't be because they were selling like hot cakes.
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there is something about the CC 121 and the N12 that integrate so deeply and quickly and with NO programming anything, plug play and go that for me beats all the third party products. but hey, thats just me
I agree that things should just work from the get go but to me that means good default settings on a programmable controller. Preferably with a choice of basic templates for various types of work flows so that _everyone_ can just start working after unpacking the device.
It is impossible to please everyone at any price point let alone on a cheap device. Programmability is the only way to go in this day and age IMO.
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and no i wasnt caring about cost, i want the PERFECT controller for cubase, and i was using the new mixers as a price point because they already have 24 or 32 channels motorised, DSP< even the Preamps are great and was going by the yamaha rep saying "that would be great to have cubase coded into this and nuendo, live and studio guys would lve that"
There is no perfect controller and the last thing I want is to pay for DSP and preamps that I have absolutely no use for. So you see it isn't easy to please everyone.
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anyway, no i want the perfect controller, and i think they can land one far deeper than the s3 at that price or less and not challenege the nuage at all
if you guys dont think thats doable then thats fine, just reiterating until you compare a yamaha board built for cubase vs the third part ones its a totally different experience for me
I honestly would prefer having an S3 than an N12. Different strokes for different folks... and that is what Yamaha have to contend with: The huge diversity of tastes and needs of the buying public.
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the cc 121 is nice and works great. just another testament to yamaha hardware and steiny coding, works like a dream. i dont have to program anything at all, it just works wiht a quick plug in. thats waht the synergy would bring here.
There are some great aspects to the CC121 but for someone like me it isn't ideal either for the simple reason that I don't use the built in Cubase EQs. I would be much more interested in Steinberg extending the VST format with standard controller/plugin maps that any plugin developer could use (or ignore if they so wish) and know that the first button on all Steinberg/Yamaha (or 3rd party) controllers would send a particular message it could react to. In other words, clear standardisation formats. THAT is the kind of thing that makes the market go forward for everyone, not just one company or just some users. (Look at what MIDI did to the music world all those years ago...).
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like i said, it seems they are not interested, either in something new, or codgin for the new mixers they have out.
I think you underestimate the cost and greatly overestimate the market for these things.
Alistair