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Could you describe the sound of the SM86 and SM87, perhaps in comparison to the Beta 87A? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Jungle Jazz ➑️
I bet the KSM9 is nice. I've got a pair each of the KSM44 and 141, and I like them. Although, I'm not sure that I can justify the cost of a new KSM9 right now. I'll snoop around and see if I can find a used one for cheap. I'll look into the Beta 87A as well.
I had a 105 and sold it in favor of the KSM9. It really is a killer microphone, kind of astonishing for something handheld. The second pickup pattern is nice for cutting out ambient noise and fighting feedback.

-synthoid
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Originally Posted by Jungle Jazz ➑️
Could you describe the sound of the SM86 and SM87, perhaps in comparison to the Beta 87A? Thanks.
I find the SM to be sweeter and smoother, and the Betas to be peaky, sibilant, and excessively bright... Take a look at the response curves on Shure.com, and see if you think them worthy of testing. Then I'd love to hear your responses!

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Oddly enough, the SM is more expensive than the Beta.
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Originally Posted by bishopthomas ➑️
Oddly enough, the SM is more expensive than the Beta.
It isn't odd when you consider that they sound better!

Beta is not betta! (in my experience anyway)

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Sibilance is one of my concerns. I work with a couple Brazilian singers who sing in Portuguese, and I have a project coming up with one (female) who has a voice in the range between a soprano and alto (2nd soprano?). The Portuguese language is prone to sibilance, so a mic that can tame that would be welcomed. I have looked at the freq charts at Shure, and I would like to hear the SM87 in particular.

I actually like the Audix VX5 pretty well from its initial testing. It sounds natural, with just a tad boost at around 9 khz for clarity, and I like having the pad and roll off options. Has anyone else tried it? I'm curious how it compares to the KSM9.
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I have a pair of VX5's. If you're trying to stay away from sibilance then run far from the VX5. If I can sell this SM87 (hint, hint) then I am buying a KSM9 immediately. I am looking forward to comparing the two.
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Originally Posted by loujudson ➑️
It isn't odd when you consider that they sound better!

Beta is not betta! (in my experience anyway)
I just mean that the Beta line is supposed to be the "upgrade" to the SM line as per Shure's marketing department.
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Originally Posted by bishopthomas ➑️
I have a pair of VX5's. If you're trying to stay away from sibilance then run far from the VX5. If I can sell this SM87 (hint, hint) then I am buying a KSM9 immediately. I am looking forward to comparing the two.
How then does the SM87 compare to the VX5? Do you like the VX5 better than the SM87 (since you're selling the 87)?
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I have never used the SM87. It is a replacement from Shure after I sent in a damaged SM85. I just opened the box and put the mic in my case. If I get a chance I may do a quick A/B, but I hope to sell it very soon.
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Originally Posted by bishopthomas ➑️
I just mean that the Beta line is supposed to be the "upgrade" to the SM line as per Shure's marketing department.
Marketing = lies to one extent or another.

But I just don't like the sound of Betas...

Bishop, didn't I see you have an SM87A for sale? This guy should get it if so!

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There are only a few Shure mics that I actually like. I only own a Beta 52 and a few 57's for that reason. Yes, I do have an SM87, but you are correct - it is for sale. Jungle Jazz is still on the fence about buying it and it looks like I'm going to be stuck with it for a while. I guess I should just go ahead and buy a KSM9, then I'll be able to contribute better to this thread after doing a proper comparison.
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Yeah, I was contemplating buying the SM87, but I might just bite the bullet and get a KSM9.
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Originally Posted by synthoid ➑️
I had a 105 and sold it in favor of the KSM9. It really is a killer microphone, kind of astonishing for something handheld. The second pickup pattern is nice for cutting out ambient noise and fighting feedback.

-synthoid

Synthoid, do you think the KSM9 is better than the 105 by far?
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as always there is no one-mic solution.

in my experience,

the ksm9 has great pattern control, but i find the upper mids/highs too artificial for me (*especially* in the cardioid setting)...sounds clean in a live situation and dense mix...otherwise it can be tight/constipated. works great on some voices though.

kms105 has a richness to it that the ksm9 doesn't have. there's a spike in the highs though which may help/hurt...and it falls apart on a singer that really eats the mic.

ae5400 sounds the most "vanilla" out of the 3. it also doesn't have the richness of the kms105... at the same time, i find the upper mids/highs to be less exaggerated than the other two mics. there's a dip a tad above 5k which can help tame out that sibilance.
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Dang, tight and constipated isn't what I wanted to hear about the KSM9. What about the Audix VX-10--anyone have experience with that?
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anaveragejoe,

i'm not synthoid...but i prefer the kms105 over the ksm9. i wouldn't say that one mic is better than the other...they both have their strengths. sometimes a singer needs that shure upper-mid bump. otherwise it only hurts things. the ksm9 is NOT an end-all be-all of live vocals mics...not by far. great pattern control, but i like the sound of the kms105 better. if it were for me...between those two, if i needed the pattern control i'd get the ksm9. if i were just concerned with the sound quality i'd get the kms105.

and the ae5400 is a steal compared to the those two.
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I have used the 5400 and it was exactly what a certain male vocalist needed to tame his harsh midrange. I tried the KMS105, VX10, e835, e855, and only the ae5400 did it.

JungleJazz - I used the VX10 for a little while and remember I like it, but I don't remember why. I compared the VX5 and VX10 at AES last year and the 10 sounded better from a quick check with my voice. It was a little more open and natural, but that could have been because of less proximity effect on the cardioid version. I keep the low cut enganged on my VX5 for that reason.
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Thanks for the feedback. Wow, that freq notch in the AE5400 might work for this Brazilian singer. Hmm, another option to add to the list.
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