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Old 23rd June 2022 | Show parent
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it's been by far the hottest day this year (so far...) but what made it special was that i was supposed to assist two visiting techs who are mixing the possibly most well-known singers in fado, cristina branco and misia.

unfortunately for misia, except for her pianist, all other other band members and their tech didn't manage to get from portugal to switzerland (due to issues with the flight - blame easyjet!) so rather than setting up the pa and preparing everything for the techs, misia asked cristina's guitar player to jump in and they wanted to start rehearsing immediately, so i set up things in a hurry and jumped behind the desk - and got to mix misia! (i had mixed cristina branco on several other occasions before)

what a wonderful evening!
It's great when a potential bad scene becomes a good scene!

Well done!

HB
Old 23rd June 2022 | Show parent
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I had an "interesting" day on Saturday... an outdoor private high school jazz band concert (first time since '19) in a familiar (to me) patio/lawn setting on campus. 12 noon arrival. As I drove to the venue... rain began (steady drizzle... weather forecasts had been "overcast/dry") all day until around 4 pm... then a long, damp down-hill push to the stage area (a large porch under a tent) and to FoH across the lawn (also under a tent). Quick-Set-Go to soundcheck with 22 inputs... Jr Hi band's soundcheck, at 6:30pm, Downbeat set for 7pm.

Got decent sounds until, 10 minutes into the soundcheck, the DL32 took a dump... lost sync. No sound... just the yellow Flashing Light Of Doom on the front panel. Scrambled to suss the problem, then, after vetting the cables, CAT5e snakes and junction point (150' run) grabbed the backup DL16 out of the trailer, got a solid yellow status light (WHEW!)... patched the inputs, and re-mic'd around the 16-input limit. Downbeat happened around 7:15, and I tweaked gains like a madman during the opening piece. Jr Hi band played well; Sr Hi band played well. Everybody seemed pleased. Band director and I finished strike/pack/loadout, and the long uphill push to the trailer, around 1:30. AM. I'd have made photos, but...

Some days you get the goat. Somedays it's a fornication of goats... I just may be getting to old for this s...

And... I may be going back to copper snakes (I still have several, including a 125' 24x8, though it wasn't in the trailer) because, in 50 years of doing this stuff... I've occasionally lost a channel, but NEVER the whole damn snake.

Today it's back to the same school (20+ year clients) for a week with kindergarten-5th grade kiddos for the "Grandparents Day" (first since '19) performance on Friday. Rain don't matter... but I do have to re-make friends with the installed Midas Pro2C after 2 years off. Ahhh... Life.

Cheers.



Life goes on.
So where was the DL32? On the stage, or back at your position? Was the Cat5 connecting the DL32 to a remote computer for control? Were you using it with Cat5 stage boxes? Sorry for my confusion, am unfamiliar with that gear...
Old 23rd June 2022 | Show parent
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So where was the DL32? On the stage, or back at your position? Was the Cat5 connecting the DL32 to a remote computer for control? Were you using it with Cat5 stage boxes? Sorry for my confusion, am unfamiliar with that gear...
The DL32 was onstage, 22 mic and DI channels fed it directly; a 100' shielded CAT5e snake ran into a shielded CAT5e extender connector, which ran into 50' CAT5e cable, directly into the console's dedicated CAT5e snake connector. Got a solid green status light.

Ran fine though setup, mics check and half of soundcheck. Then gakked (yellow flashing status light) and didn't pass signal.

First, we actually disconnected the 50' run, and carried the desk and power cable out to the connector to check continuity through the 100' snake (50' short of the stage area... ); then tested the 50' snake (carried the desk to that point); THEN we reconnected the two snakes, grabbed the DL16 out of the trailer (replacing the DL32), rejoined (back where we started) the two CAT5e snakes, got a stable green light, and re-deployed 16 channels of the original 22, console back under the awning. No further trouble.

It was the DL32.
Old 23rd June 2022 | Show parent
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If you are using Ethernet cable in your audio setup, I highly recommend one of these:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/IDEAL-Li...1205&gclsrc=ds

It weighs a lot less than a mixing panel.

D.
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The DL32 was onstage, 22 mic and DI channels fed it directly; a 100' shielded CAT5e snake ran into a shielded CAT5e extender connector, which ran into 50' CAT5e cable, directly into the console's dedicated CAT5e snake connector. Got a solid green status light.

Ran fine though setup, mics check and half of soundcheck. Then gakked (yellow flashing status light) and didn't pass signal.

First, we actually disconnected the 50' run, and carried the desk and power cable out to the connector to check continuity through the 100' snake (50' short of the stage area... ); then tested the 50' snake (carried the desk to that point); THEN we reconnected the two snakes, grabbed the DL16 out of the trailer (replacing the DL32), rejoined (back where we started) the two CAT5e snakes, got a stable green light, and re-deployed 16 channels of the original 22, console back under the awning. No further trouble.

It was the DL32.
Sorry to be dim--so you were using the DL32 as a sort of stage box, that was feeding Cat5 to another console in the back of the house? I'm asking because in my thoughts about the DL32 (when it first came out) was that it seemed cool that I could NOT have any snake at all to the mix position, ie I'd mix and record directly off the DL32 that would be on the stage, and all I'd have would be iPads etc to control it with... Have I misunderstood your rig, I guess? And when you swapped in the DL16 you also put it on the stage and repatched the band to it? thx
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Sorry to be dim--so you were using the DL32 as a sort of stage box, that was feeding Cat5 to another console in the back of the house? I'm asking because in my thoughts about the DL32 (when it first came out) was that it seemed cool that I could NOT have any snake at all to the mix position, ie I'd mix and record directly off the DL32 that would be on the stage, and all I'd have would be iPads etc to control it with... Have I misunderstood your rig, I guess? And when you swapped in the DL16 you also put it on the stage and repatched the band to it? thx
You might be mixing up two different products- Midas has a stagebox named DL32 and mackie has a digital mixer that is a rackmount mixer controlled by tablet with a very similar name. hbphoto was referring to the 32 channel Midas stagebox (and dl16 is the 16 in 8 out version of the same)
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You might be mixing up two different products- Midas has a stagebox named DL32 and mackie has a digital mixer that is a rackmount mixer controlled by tablet with a very similar name. hbphoto was referring to the 32 channel Midas stagebox (and dl16 is the 16 in 8 out version of the same)
THANK YOU! That makes much more sense!!! Bummer though.... I hope the stage box isn't busted.
Old 24th June 2022 | Show parent
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Not being sarcastic; did it come back to life with a reboot (power down, power up)?

D.
Old 25th June 2022 | Show parent
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Not being sarcastic; did it come back to life with a reboot (power down, power up)?

D.
Actually, I haven't had opportunity to plug it back up and check things out. I do know that it (the DL32 stage box) was boinked... no cable swap, restart, whatever, got the yellow status light "green" or signal restored. That will happen in the next week or two after we return from a family visit in the upper midwest.

I shall check back in after that occurs. Cheers, all.

HB
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...speaking of stageboxes: i'm in the process of reconfiguring two of mine (see pic) which then shall serve me in most standard remote, studio, live and broadcasting applications.

of course they can get reconfigured for different scenarios but other than swapping the 'preamps' (for digital mics at the top of the fight cases) for a speaker processor (lake, meyer) and/or a headphone amp (klangfabrik), i hope i can leave them mostly 'intact' - i'll add some aes i/o's though.
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First off Deedee, those racks are stunning. Madi over fiber? I am just starting to explore fiber and now can do Dante over fiber out to 1000' on one reel of LC-LC. Seems to work just like Cat-cable only longer.

I too was working tons this month, almost all of it with the Seattle Chamber Music Society's Summer Festival. Working with my boss Bill Levey and Simon Kiln, producer ex-Abbey Road. Three streamed concerts a week all month and some recording (only) dates as well. But then . . .

I tested positive for COVID. Even as I was careful about masking at work, there were some family gatherings, and well, I got it. Not feeling too bad and I think I will be all clear in ten days. But it sucks. More COVID cases in the US than ever before in the history of the pandemic. Less deaths (thank God) and less hospitalizations, but many, many cases. This one is a tricky bugger and it might seem as if it will get even trickier as we go along. It is looking to establish itself in the population from here on out, no question. And doing a good job of it.

Oh well, as soon as I am clear, I will be getting a second booster. I probably went too long on the last one figuring that I would get number two this fall before my wife and I started to travel. Looks like I will get booster number three this fall. Kinda miffed that I thought I could "get away." Live and learn.

Stay safe y'all!

D.
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First off Deedee, those racks are stunning. Madi over fiber? I am just starting to explore fiber and now can do Dante over fiber out to 1000' on one reel of LC-LC. Seems to work just like Cat-cable only longer.

I too was working tons this month, almost all of it with the Seattle Chamber Music Society's Summer Festival. Working with my boss Bill Levey and Simon Kiln, producer ex-Abbey Road. Three streamed concerts a week all month and some recording (only) dates as well. But then . . .

I tested positive for COVID. Even as I was careful about masking at work, there were some family gatherings, and well, I got it. Not feeling too bad and I think I will be all clear in ten days. But it sucks. More COVID cases in the US than ever before in the history of the pandemic. Less deaths (thank God) and less hospitalizations, but many, many cases. This one is a tricky bugger and it might seem as if it will get even trickier as we go along. It is looking to establish itself in the population from here on out, no question. And doing a good job of it.

Oh well, as soon as I am clear, I will be getting a second booster. I probably went too long on the last one figuring that I would get number two this fall before my wife and I started to travel. Looks like I will get booster number three this fall. Kinda miffed that I thought I could "get away." Live and learn.

Stay safe y'all!

D.
hi d

glad to hear it didn't hit you too hard! - while my partner got infected a few months ago (which was easy in her job) and became slightly ill, i have miraculously escaped the virus so far (or haven't noticed)...

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yep, madi over fiber* - the madi cards in these two rack are a bit of a rarety as they have madi ports for interfacing both via (standard) multimode and single-mode (the latter of which i need very rarely though), which makes them 'all weather' but comes at a price in terms of configuring them...

[not going into details unless someone is deeply into studer gear]

...but then, this is one of my lesser concerns: with ca. a dozen of stageboxes (the rest smaller than these two here), two hubs, a processor, a large surface, two medium-sized desks (with built-in dsp), a (relatively) small remote controller plus a ton of digital outboard including format converters etc. that i could hook up, things are bit complicated so i rather think twice before commiting to putting all racks together!

i admit it's been taking me way longer than i was hoping for although i won't complain: the gear not only kept me busy but got me some jobs in the first place which otherwise would have been gone to national broadcasters (of surrounding countries and a bit further abroad)...

cheers,

dd



*i'm using rme's madi router if i also/alternatively have to carry madi over cat, bnc or fibre (with sc or lc connectors) but for interconnecting my 'large' rig, i plan sticking to opticalcon duo...
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...much different story today: a guest tech is mixing foh in the - acoustically speaking - best venue in town; unfortunately, the pa is much more capable than the tech so i'm trying to survive somewhere hidden behind the monitor desk!

[85dBa leq/1h can feel so damn loud if the mix is out of balance]

i'm not quite getting why someone would not use the analyzer i provided, why i had to re-structure the desk three times for ca. 20 inputs, how one can waste three hours to get a quartet (guit, bass, drums, vocals) going and why we had to rent and operate a separate monitor desk?! i'm no fan of riding each solo to the point that one not hear the rest of the band anymore either, i can't stand non-matching reverbs and even less drowning the entire mix in an ocean of reverb...

...but maybe i'm getting a bit too critical?!
OK, I am going to exhibit my gross ignorance here and ask...what is "foh"?
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OK, I am going to exhibit my gross ignorance here and ask...what is "foh"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_of_house
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not sure i can fully agree with all that's written in the wiki article (and the wording/choice of language suggests that someone from outside the field wrote the article - or that one of those handy but still somewhat 'clumsy' translation programs came into play), but by and large i can agree.
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"See also Front Office" Haha!

Well, I guess it just how someone might look at the job.

D.
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"See also Front Office" Haha!

Well, I guess it just how someone might look at the job.

D.
i will call myself 'foh officer' from now on!

although: i hope that war will not break out when i enter 'monitor world' (as in third world) as a 'foh officer'...
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Poor monitor mixers. No respect from anyone.

Ask me how I know.

D.
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Poor monitor mixers. No respect from anyone.

Ask me how I know.
of course, i only allow myself to talk about my esteemed colleagues like this because i often mix monitors myself, which i'm quite happy to do as long as i don't have to take care of all the antenna stuff for wireless mics and in-ears...

(fortunately, there are 'frequency coordinators' on big productions nowadays who take care of exactly that)

...but pls go ahead with some (pre-pandemic) war stories from monitor land!
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Nope. Those stories should only be shared over an ice-cold beer.

D.
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Sorry about that covid crap, Doug, I hope it's mild. I've had the 2 boosters, but that apparently means little with BA.5.

At least you're still posting on GS!
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I'd say mostly doing well. Thanks for the well wishes.

D.
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I'd say mostly doing well. Thanks for the well wishes.

D.
tell those monitor mixers to stop breathing on you!
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Nope. Those stories should only be shared over an ice-cold beer.

D.
Get well soon Doug, I’ll raise a glass.
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Get a desk job.
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what i find increasingly annoying (when providing gear for jazz festivals) is that a fair number of guest technicians waste endless time messing with digital consoles or even insist on re-measuring speaker systems, demand devices that they can't operate properly, make a big fuss when only the second choice of the equipment they want is available...

...but lack basic unterstanding of festival protocol and forget to use their ears because of all the technical stuff and staring at screens!

the most ridiculous 'incident' i experienced this summer (so far...) was at the montreux jazz festival when herbie hancock's bass player threatened to walk away because he got a 8Γ—10" bass rig while he wanted to have two stacked 4Γ—10" cabinets (that were fed with the very same signal btw...) - turns out that his own production office/management agreed on the substitute and that he even signed the paper himself!

[too bad that the atmosphere at the sound check was so poisoned that hardly any of the crew still wanted to listen to the concert - nevertheless, herbie was great!* i wish he had some more grown up musicians with him on tour though]




* did you hear/see him play 'maiden voyage' at the funeral of former u.s. secretary of state madeleine albright? - i found this absolutely outstanding!

___


this brings me to political summits - the amount of gear getting ordered/shipped around the globe for political summits has not decreased and still exceeds that of big rock festivals - by far!

the latter are partly getting cancelled: no longer because of the pandemic and not because of the heat waves which are increasingly felt in large parts of europe but simply, because of staff shortages in the event industry.

the political situation, energy crisis, inflation, the consequences of earlier pandemic waves, travel chaos, the slump in attendance etc. do the rest that big worries are spreading amongst many promotors of smaller festivals i got to talk to...

...which ironically contrasts with my current workload.
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