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Old 23rd January 2022
  #31
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I gave my C1000S away in the end - it did gel nicely with my Trace Elliot SuperTramp guitar amp - got some reasonable tones out of that combination. The one plus point is when I still had my noisy soundblaster based interface in the 90s - the C1KS could be battery powered - which reduced noise.

So to keep on topic AKG's dud - C1000S :D

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Old 23rd January 2022 | Show parent
  #32
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I picked up my pair of Earthworks QTC 40s off the side of a road in Chicago, so clearly someone must have thought they were duds.
Old 23rd January 2022 | Show parent
  #33
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Originally Posted by elegentdrum ➡️
Neumann 103
You know, I like the TLM103 but Neumann didn't know how to sell it, and most people who bought it seemed to think they were buying a low cost U87-equivalent and were upset when it didn't sound anything like a U87.

I don't think the TLM103 was a failure of engineering but it was a total failure of marketing. Then again, they probably sold a lot more than they would have sold if the'd told people what it really was.
--scott
Old 23rd January 2022 | Show parent
  #34
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Originally Posted by philper ➡️
The C1000 is an enduring mystery to me. I think it is an irredeemably terrible sounding mic on just about anything. But have worked with people who insist on them, to the point of specing them in their tour riders.
I once worked with a sound reinforcement guy who insisted on using a pair of C1000s when he had a pair of C480s in the kit, claiming that the room had terrible feedback problems and the C1000 was a hypercardioid while the C480 was only a cardioid and would be more prone to feedback.

Perhaps if he had pointed the speaker arrays at the audience he would have had less of a feedback issue too.
--scott
Old 23rd January 2022 | Show parent
  #35
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Perhaps if he had pointed the speaker arrays at the audience he would have had less of a feedback issue too.
--scott
Old 24th January 2022 | Show parent
  #36
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🎧 15 years
My favorite DUD is the ubiquitous MKH8030.
Old 24th January 2022
  #37
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🎧 5 years
Thats true! And the Rode TF50.
Old 24th January 2022
  #38
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I recall when the Sanken dual capsule mics came out in the 1980's they were all the rage in LA studios. A couple of years later no one was talking about those anymore.
Old 24th January 2022 | Show parent
  #39
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🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➡️
I recall when the Sanken dual capsule mics came out in the 1980's they were all the rage in LA studios. A couple of years later no one was talking about those anymore.
I tracked Tommy Morgan on one for a commercial. He sounded great on it and loved it, but nobody else did.
Old 24th January 2022 | Show parent
  #40
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There sure is a healthy sub-genre of mics premiered to great acclaim, which then proceeded to slump into the mire. Like, cursed in the cradle, hype notwithstanding, or hype implying... guaranteeing?

I was gifted one of the marvelous new, flashy MXL Gold 35's, all shiny and retro... worked great for a while, a real champeen... and then when it devolved into outputting static (and only a low level static at that!) I inquired about having it repaired, by the manufacturer...

And was told that repair was impossible, its parts were vaporously no longer available... but they had one last one in stock, did I want to buy it?

Hmmmm, I thought to myself, they break down and can't be fixed. "Ummmm, no thanks, my friend," I replied....
Old 24th January 2022 | Show parent
  #41
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🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➡️
I recall when the Sanken dual capsule mics came out in the 1980's they were all the rage in LA studios. A couple of years later no one was talking about those anymore.
They are still great microphones though! Just used a couple of them on a classical CD recording with magnificent results.
Old 24th January 2022 | Show parent
  #42
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➡️
I recall when the Sanken dual capsule mics came out in the 1980's they were all the rage in LA studios. A couple of years later no one was talking about those anymore.
I use Sanken CU41s. Fantastic microphone. I grew to love them under the wing of John Eargle. He used them as his main-pair for orchestral and chamber recordings.

https://www.discogs.com/release/9804...te-Demo-Tracks
Old 25th January 2022
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DPA - obviously the 4006. Total piece of crap.
Schoeps - the mk2 is probably the most unusable capsule ever designed.
Sennheiser - I don’t think they have EVER made a single decent mic.
Sanken - their entire engineering department is a bunch of drunken hacks.
Gefell - clearly, everyone who works there must hate Georg Neumann.
Neumann - avoid anything that has a “U”, a “T”, or a “K” in its name.
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #44
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Originally Posted by jnorman ➡️
Sanken - their entire engineering department is a bunch of drunken hacks.
I think you mean "dranken."
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #45
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Originally Posted by jnorman ➡️
DPA - obviously the 4006. Total piece of crap.
Schoeps - the mk2 is probably the most unusable capsule ever designed.
Sennheiser - I don’t think they have EVER made a single decent mic.
Sanken - their entire engineering department is a bunch of drunken hacks.
Gefell - clearly, everyone who works there must hate Georg Neumann.
Neumann - avoid anything that has a “U”, a “T”, or a “K” in its name.
Are you being funny or ???
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #46
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🎧 5 years
Everyone knows jnorman only uses Radio Shack mics - early adopter.
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #47
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It's perfectly true. Those Schoeps mikes are useless. Send them all to me and I will dispose of them for you.
--scott
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #48
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Enough have piled onto the AKG C1000, so my choice (runner up) is the AKG C451B.

Promoted as "new and improved", it is an inferior mic to the original C451EB series, imo.

And don't get me started on their "new and improved" (several times) C414.
Old 25th January 2022 | Show parent
  #49
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Originally Posted by kludgeaudio ➡️
It's perfectly true. Those Schoeps mikes are useless. Send them all to me and I will dispose of them for you.
--scott
I don't know, I found they were a bit better than the Shemp mics I once bought by not reading the label carefully enough.
Old 26th January 2022
  #50
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AKG valve PSU were dreadfully unreliable, and needed two for every mic , just in case.
Thank God for phantom P48.
Old 26th January 2022 | Show parent
  #51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolo 46 ➡️
AKG valve PSU were dreadfully unreliable, and needed two for every mic , just in case.
Thank God for phantom P48.
Which generation valve PSU?

But.... this gives me an opportunity to bring up The Tube from AKG which was kind of a mistake.
--scott
Old 26th January 2022 | Show parent
  #52
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🎧 5 years
Their Solitube was strange to...

...AKG did many funny moves over the years, it's hart to pic a favorite...
Old 27th January 2022
  #53
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Originally Posted by M50k ➡️
Preferably, but not exclusive to current models.
DPA 4040

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Old 28th January 2022 | Show parent
  #54
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🎧 10 years
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➡️
I recall when the Sanken dual capsule mics came out in the 1980's they were all the rage in LA studios. A couple of years later no one was talking about those anymore.
When I was in the BBC studios at Pebble Mill, Birmingham, I was amused to find that the audio servicing department had a waste basket with Sanken written on the side!
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
  #55
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🎧 10 years
This one will render a few here speechless I'm sure. The 4038 designation bears no relationship to the operating principle of the mic...only to its physical shape.

It's only been announced for a few days, and I hardly think the company qualifies as a major mic mfr.....yet still, submitted here in the interests of completeness (completely pointless ? ).

https://youtu.be/3cI9LH-9w-Q

'Vintage....waffle-iron '....give me a break !

https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0ESZ

Company promo copy reads:

"A Retro Touch to Your Home Studio Setup
The BV4038 is an inspired design from a highly popular waffle-iron studio microphone used during 1950s. This mic is built to last a lifetime, just like the original, and the design gives a retro touch to your home studio setup. You’ll feel like you’re back in the golden era of Hollywood. Express yourself!"

Last edited by studer58; 29th January 2022 at 04:39 AM..
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
  #56
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🎧 10 years
https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0ESY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIJyLKQXGk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2rxi4U8Qss

Actually, it's getting quite creepy...the number of well-known brands they've 'acquired' in recent times:

Midas
Klark Teknik
Lab Gruppen
Lake
Tannoy
Turbosound
TC Electronic
TC Helicon
Aston Microphones
Bugera
Coolaudio
Eurocom

Last edited by studer58; 29th January 2022 at 09:44 AM..
Old 29th January 2022
  #57
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I really enjoyed reading this thread. The Rode NT1a (probably the second generation among many). A very quiet mic, very big sales, but some harsh nastiness in the mid-highs. Joly had an explanation of the causes.
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
  #58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by studer58 ➡️
This one will render a few here speechless I'm sure. The 4038 designation bears no relationship to the operating principle of the mic...only to its physical shape.

It's only been announced for a few days, and I hardly think the company qualifies as a major mic mfr.....yet still, submitted here in the interests of completeness (completely pointless ? ).

https://youtu.be/3cI9LH-9w-Q

'Vintage....waffle-iron '....give me a break !

https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0ESZ

Company promo copy reads:

"A Retro Touch to Your Home Studio Setup
The BV4038 is an inspired design from a highly popular waffle-iron studio microphone used during 1950s. This mic is built to last a lifetime, just like the original, and the design gives a retro touch to your home studio setup. You’ll feel like you’re back in the golden era of Hollywood. Express yourself!"
What are they talking about? - the 4038 was not used in Hollywood ! (?)

Might have been used on some British film sets, I don't know . . .
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
  #59
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🎧 10 years
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Originally Posted by M50k ➡️
What are they talking about? - the 4038 was not used in Hollywood ! (?)

Might have been used on some British film sets, I don't know . . .
Hollywood...you want (fake) Hollywood ?

Why didn't you say....here... step right this way, sir....>>>

https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0ESW

https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0ESY
Old 29th January 2022 | Show parent
  #60
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🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by studer58 ➡️
Hollywood...you want (fake) Hollywood ?

Why didn't you say....here... step right this way, sir....
Yes, we live in the era of fake news, black is white, a Coles 4038 is really a "Waffle Iron" USB cardioid ... Let's hope Uli doesn't put Sennheiser, Neumann, Schoeps and Shure on his shopping list.

However, on the original topic, is 'dud' defined by financial flop or technical disaster? If the latter, most of Behringer's early catalogue would qualify (at least until he started buying up companies that actually built quality products).
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