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Where can I buy stands/hardware for mic arrays?

Where can I find stands/mounts/brackets etc. for mic array setups?
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The future is so bright you may require sunglasses:

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AEA makes nice bars.
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Originally Posted by mizzle ➡️
Where can I find stands/mounts/brackets etc. for mic array setups?
Really? If you have some ideas about odd-ball hangers (most of us here are odd-balls), ask about specific set ups.

If not, Google is your friend.

https://www.amazon.com/Microphone-St...5280703&sr=8-5

D.
Old 2 weeks ago
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AEA and Microtech Gefell have the best selections of weird things.

I have to admit that I mostly just get by with cheap K&M stereo bars and a lot of gaffer's tape.
--scott
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Grace spacebars
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Grace and AEA offer top-tier stuff, priced accordingly. There's some Manfroetto stuff that can be adapted, but sorting through it all can be a struggle.

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If you’re interested in saving money and willing to DIY with lots of flexibility.
see my post https://gearspace.com/board/https://...ferrerid=17640
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If you’re interested in saving money and willing to DIY with lots of flexibility.
see my post https://gearspace.com/board/https://...ferrerid=17640
Link not working...is it correct ?
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I mostly use the Grace Spacebar systems: the surround kit, plus a few extra pieces to support Decca, Blumlein right angle, etc. as well.

They are about the nicest commercial product in the category I've seen - very well finished. However, I didn't view any of the commercial offerings as functionally perfect. With Grace, I wish the adjustable microphone holders had more positive internal locking, and that their threads were just a bit longer to support large jam nuts [e.g., Latch Lake]. . .and a few other similar notions.


I really think the best option is a custom build - if you were good in metal shop and have the time.

Ray H.

For stands/rigging look at professional grip manufacturers like Matthews, Cardellini, etc. and fastener suppliers.
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i'm trying to avoid large space bars (as a musician, would you feel comfortable sitting under heavy and clunky constructions?) and either put mics on separate stands (for recording sessions) or then fly the mics (with an audience in).

the latter clearly isn't possible everywhere but i mostly get to work in re-occuring situations* where i can fly the mics and hence decomissioned my diy alu-bars, k&m and manfrotto gear, except for an (original) jecklin disc and a simple adjustable bar - i do use lots of steel ropes though (and luckily can ring up a rigger or two if the situation calls for a specialist)...



* through intensive lobbying together with other interested parties, I have been able to convince a number of houses to provide appropriate equipment: the largest concert hall here now even has an opticalcon connection in the roof so one can easily drop another stagebox up there - too bad access to the center position is reserved for the initiated**: there are two spare lines from/to the central speaker array which can get (mis-)used for mic purposes (see pic)...

** i was partially responsible for the re-install so i was able to exert my influence and, in some cases, implement it directly.
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[. . .] or then fly the mics [. . .]
+1 for fly them if you can!
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There is a whole thread about this here:
Ambient A-Ray Decca Tree for C617s?

All the best,
Mark
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Gotta say, I'm pretty darned comfortable for whomever might be sitting/standing under my tree when it is up on a stand. Usually the conductor for the way I work. I have never had any sign that it was unstable or unsafe. Where we work it's literally 100 feet to the vaulted ceiling and, maybe, if we called in a professional rigger (Did I ever mention that in my youth, I auditioned for that job. It was a BIG no thank you!), we could get it hung. But hours and money that is better spent in other pursuits I think.

Just my $.02 and that and 4 dollars will buy you a Starbucks.

D.
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I have several Grace bars that work well. Very good professional bars.
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Sorry, here’s the corrected link:
DIY Stereo and more Mic Bar

Also instead of one knob plus one jam nut, I now use two knobs for each mic mount-so much faster and easier.
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You know, I have seen their decca trees, but I never thought about using the rest of the modular kit alone. You could do a lot of very cool stuff with those pieces.
--scott
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You could do a lot of very cool stuff with those pieces.
Like this:
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scary stuff...


seriously, i wouldn't be much scared myself but i've got to work with a bit too many artists who have all sorts of concerns, from well-founded to completely irrational, but this does not change my conviction that whatever helps the artists to feel comfortable will help their performance - which imo is way more important than me showcasing my elaborate mic rig.

the other thing is that over here, we do indeed have some safety regulations which i don't want to breach - again not out of fear but as a professional, i simply cannot afford to neglect them - short: anything above head height and below which people can circulate needs to get secured, end of discussion! look up the relevant safety regulations in your country; i mostly stick to a 10:1 margin (or better which is relatively easy to achieve with microphones, at least compared to large speaker hangs).


p.s. before anyone goes ballistic: the safety device must not prevent a potential fall, but delay it... - so: if you're using massive rigs, secure them accordingly (and have the appropriate drugs readily available for the snow flakes)

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scary stuff...
Not for that rig, which is a combined stereo/surround/Atmos array used by Morten Lindberg of 2L for sessions, not attended concerts.

What is scary to me is seeing your speaker stack pic in an older building in your above Post #11 . I worked for Boston Symphony Hall, and was the project manager for the newest rigging and lighting system in a now 120 year old building. In that building, there just wasn't enough spare truss supporting capacity without major building renovations to enable much beyond a five motor suspended truss modest lighting rigging system.

It just scares me in 100/200 year older venues thinking about what's above the fancy plaster and horsehair ceiling.

Tom
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It just scares me in 100/200 year older venues thinking about what's above the fancy plaster and horsehair ceiling.
Tom
reminds me of my misspent youth rigging chain motors...
"No worries, we'll just hang it from the high wood"... Said nobody ever.
ATB,
Mark
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It just scares me in 100/200 year older venues thinking about what's above the fancy plaster and horsehair ceiling.
Gatecrashers who snuck in through the catwalk without buying tickets.
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Not for that rig, which is a combined stereo/surround/Atmos array used by Morten Lindberg of 2L for sessions, not attended concerts.
lol - thx for the pic of the recording session; no worries then...

[my go-to 'large' rig is way smaller and consists of a schoeps double-m/s (or soundfield) and a double-ortf for the height channels]

Quote:
What is scary to me is seeing your speaker stack pic in an older building in your above Post #11 . I worked for Boston Symphony Hall, and was the project manager for the newest rigging and lighting system in a now 120 year old building. In that building, there just wasn't enough spare truss supporting capacity without major building renovations to enable much beyond a five motor suspended truss modest lighting rigging system.

It just scares me in 100/200 year older venues thinking about what's above the fancy plaster and horsehair ceiling.
you don't have to worry about the hangs (not stacks...) as posted in # 11 either: although the building is old, it got newly renovated (by well-known local architects) and those responsible for planning, approval, construction and inspection are very strict: over here, you don't even get an old barn or a simple garage renovated without their approval! and for buildings open to the public, completely different and even stricter regulations apply... - here's a link to the house and a few more details on the (re-)install:

https://www.stadtcasino-basel.ch/en/
reinstall before restart
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- here's a link to the house and a few more details on the (re-)install:

https://www.stadtcasino-basel.ch/en/
reinstall before restart
Lovely looking venue!

Your mention of Meyers reminded me of ~20 years ago being hired by the hall for a day to stand in the bucket of a Gini Lift 40 feet above the proscenium edge with a starters pistol shooting away, while Meyers himself walked around the hall with a B&K instrument, acoustically mapping the place. The hall didn't eventually purchase his arrays, but I had a great time

Twenty years ago, the board of the BSO (owner of Boston Symphony Hall), initially budgeted 10 million dollars for the lighting and rigging renovation, but staged it with a 2 million dollar first phase. They never went further, so no structural upgrade. But it provided me with 18 years of employment to get the most out of the lighting system
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Lovely looking venue!

Your mention of Meyers reminded me of ~20 years ago being hired by the hall for a day to stand in the bucket of a Gini Lift 40 feet above the proscenium edge with a starters pistol shooting away, while Meyers himself walked around the hall with a B&K instrument, acoustically mapping the place. The hall didn't eventually purchase his arrays, but I had a great time

Twenty years ago, the board of the BSO (owner of Boston Symphony Hall), initially budgeted 10 million dollars for the lighting and rigging renovation, but staged it with a 2 million dollar first phase. They never went further, so no structural upgrade. But it provided me with 18 years of employment to get the most out of the lighting system
they sank a lot of money on the renovation of the building and a bit on the gear (for which i feel partially guilty as i pushed them to beef up the center array - which they did)...

...but they are stuck with a pair of crappy desks (there's a small room upstairs) so i'm 'forced' to bring one of my own desks everytime i'm working in there (see pic from last week).

what really bugs me though is that some promotors book bands/ensembles which simply shouldn't play in there 'cause the large hall is way too boomy and no amount of acoustic treatment (which could easily get installed/removed) could cure for that...

...so i hope i can convince one particular promoter to find another venue for an announced joint concert of a jazz quartet, a big band and half a symphony orchestra?! - compared to this threat, my concerns regarding flown mic rigs pale - by a lot!

(sorry for the detour)
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(sorry for the detour)
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I suggest that you can find your holders on DPA s5 set if you are using dpa microphone.

There are very bad diy example of our concert hall....
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