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Old 25th June 2020
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Question Solo piano omni mics smallish room

6.5 foot grand piano in a smallish room with some realtraps treatment. A last minute recording request so not huge time to experiment. Will stereo omni pair work well? Or is it usually stereo cardioid?

I can move 1 realtrap behind omnis to eliminate some reflections.

Thank you.
Old 25th June 2020
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re-occuring theme...

i suggest using cardioids and going very close, trying to eliminate some of the room. i wouldn't use a stereo-mic (meaning two capsules built into one body) but a spaced pair.
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Originally Posted by deedeeyeah ➡️
re-occuring theme...

i suggest using cardioids and going very close, trying to eliminate some of the room. i wouldn't use a stereo-mic (meaning two capsules built in to one body) but a spaced pair.
Thanks for that. I will use spaced pair cardioids.

I have recorded in same room before with AEA R88 and got great results (piano was accompanying a singer). I was curious about the omnis for fullness.
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maybe something like this...
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maybe something like this...
I will try that. Thank you for the photo, very helpful
Old 26th June 2020
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So I've attached an mp3 of what I 'mixed' today.

Photo shows:

I used AEA R88 ribbon parallel with the keyboard about 8 inches above the strings of the piano.

I put DPA 4006s on the stereo bar. I probably should have gone for pop placement with those and perhaps as suggested cardioids a better choice.

I also used ADK z67 Cardioid under the body of the piano.
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Old 30th June 2020
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Originally Posted by maestro ➡️
6.5 foot grand piano in a smallish room with some realtraps treatment. A last minute recording request so not huge time to experiment. Will stereo omni pair work well? Or is it usually stereo cardioid?

I can move 1 realtrap behind omnis to eliminate some reflections.

Thank you.
Both can perform well: samples from small AB (~ 16 cm) pairs very close to (but not inside) the piano (6.8 foot grand piano) at home, cardio and omni.

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So I've attached an mp3 of what I 'mixed' today.
IMO a simpler setup like in the above samples would perform better for your kind of music
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Both can perform well: samples from small AB (~ 16 cm) pairs very close to (but not inside) the piano (6.8 foot grand piano) at home, cardio and omni.


IMO a simpler setup like in the above samples would perform better for your kind of music

Thanks for that. I will try that next time.

The clip isn't my usual kind of music but I understand your meaning.

I need to get out of the habit of wanting to blend 3 setups on piano :-)
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I’ve been recording a Steinway M in a small room for years. Never found and benefit in piling on microphones. Simple and clean spaced pair of Omni SDCs works fine. But to each their own.
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I’ve been recording a Steinway M in a small room for years. Never found and benefit in piling on microphones. Simple and clean spaced pair of Omni SDCs works fine. But to each their own.
Thanks for the input. I will try that. I have 4006s, found the sound a bit 'edgy'. Maybe it's the room, maybe it's a bright Kawai piano tone.

I love the AEA R88. Great warmth.

More experimentation needed I think.
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