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Jazz band in one room - Recording approach
Old 20th May 2020
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Food for thought, much appreciated.
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I'm guessing the horns were overdubbed?
The horn players did theirs from home. And it sounds to me like there's an extra layer or two of bgv's. Doesn't detract from the vibe, though, I don't think. And this this setup is pretty much the way they're used to making their records, including the one that got nominated for a Grammy last year.

They're not world-famous, for sure. But local heroes in LA.
Old 21st May 2020
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Here's an audio clip from a social distanced COVID worship thing in a bare naked, hard, square room. Thank the Lord for Beta87A supercardioid vocal mics, and a JolyMod NT-1 on the djembe. Guitars, bass, and keys were DI. Violin was a Beta87A. There was a bit of foldback into four small wedges so folks could hear themselves.

Live stereo "in the room" mix on the installed PreSonus SL32 Series II. Mixed entirely on UltraSone 650HD cans to a TASCAM DR-60D. One take per tune after a run-through. No edits. Big fun! The video guy synched this audio up to a two camera cut.

This sounded a lot better going in (this file) than after processing by the online algorithms. The file was finished in Logic Pro X with a touch of compression, and a bit of SilverVerb.

Enjoy!

HB
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Old 22nd May 2020 | Show parent
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Harry, nice work--the lead singer sold the lyric and the supporting musicians exhibited professional session skill. IMO DIing everything that would have hot back line amping on a R&R type set up allows any number of micing possibilities. For many reasons I prefer high end tube mics in card pattern for vocals that will deliver more sonic detail while delivering the requisite tube and transformer warm glue that us "old timers" covet because we remember the magic so well.
(You are absolutely right about the online algorithms)
Hugh
Old 10th July 2020
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Follow-up

Would like to follow up on this thread after the live recording session and answer my own questions in the OP.

The conclusion first: For living-room setups such as the one I had to deal with, close micing everything and adding artificial ambience was the ticket. I experimented with several room-microphones but ended up using only one as A) the quality of the room just wasn't acceptable and B) more than one room-mic caused too many phasing and smearing issues.

I know I am not stating anything new here, just going through the process like any beginner.
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Old 10th July 2020
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I'm sure the session was a lot of fun and a great learning experience. I'm pretty jealous about that sort of opportunity given the current state of things.

As a fan of old school, blue note jazz tones, I've longed for an opportunity to experiment with some of the techniques rumored to be associated with Rudy Van Gelder's sessions. The space is important though, and as you said if the room just can't support room mics, your options are limited. Cool project, hope it leads to more.
Old 19th July 2020
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You could go the other way in a room full of bleed and spend time getting the best ambient mono or stereo pickup you can find, then approach the spot mics as exactly that; spots to fill in low detail that’s missing. Sometimes wins over a bunch of close mics that are full of bleed anyway.
Old 1st August 2020
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Another idea... Consider springing for one day in a good room at a studio. Position the players around an AEA R88 and adjust to taste.

https://youtu.be/JLPNR5FwrPg
Old 2nd August 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by bwanajim ➡️
Another idea... Consider springing for one day in a good room at a studio. Position the players around an AEA R88 and adjust to taste.

https://youtu.be/JLPNR5FwrPg
One has to wonder why, if they are truly doing one take around an AEA R88,they bother to wear 'cans'...
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One has to wonder why, if they are truly doing one take around an AEA R88,they bother to wear 'cans'...
Hmm, good point. No idea...but maybe it helps the players keep their levels balanced, if they hear what the mic hears ?
Old 6th August 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Jim Williams ➡️
The worse the room, the closer the mics. And vice-versa.
Yeah I agree. I have recorded a band in a classroom, using close miking for each instrument. Of course I planned the layout and positioning of each instrument carefully.

When its done right - Bleed becomes Ambience

A.
Old 16th August 2020 | Show parent
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So they can all balance themselves with one another. And to help vocalists determine desired proximity.

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One has to wonder why, if they are truly doing one take around an AEA R88,they bother to wear 'cans'...
Old 1 week ago
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This is how I do it. One mic for each player, panning hard right down the middle of the band. mics as close as I can get them, the bleed seems to build the stereo image by itself.
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Holy Batman analog gear. Nice.

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panning hard right down the middle of the band
I cannot decode this.
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Holy Batman analog gear. Nice.



I cannot decode this.
That didn’t come out right hahaha. I mean in this case I had musicians from left to right on the stage: saxophone-bass-drums-guitar. So I pan saxophone and bass hard left and drums and guitar hard right. The mixer has 5 position panning, LCR but also a 3/4 position in between, but I rarely use the 3/4, usually hard left and right unless there’s a vocal or something that needs to be center.
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Thanks for clarifying.

So, even though panned hard left and right, the bleed from all the microphones pulls the individual instruments into place in the stereo spectrum and creates a natural soundstage?
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Thanks for clarifying.

So, even though panned hard left and right, the bleed from all the microphones pulls the individual instruments into place in the stereo spectrum and creates a natural soundstage?
Yes exactly. The walls are pretty close and the musicians usually play very close together, so I kind of use the bleed to make the stereo soundstage. I'll put a EV omni mic a few inches right over the kick drum and close to the snare, but I'll use the bleed of the ride cymbal into the upright and it makes up a stereo image. the drums are still mostly hard panned to the right but some of that ride cymbal is on the left with the bass.
Old 1 week ago
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I take photos of the layout. I use them during mixing. It's important to position the panning to match the physical layout. Then the ambience works for you, not against.
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recorded in living room

I recorded this jazz quintet track in my friend's living room many years ago. https://soundcloud.com/ajfarber-1/af-blues

Now I have a space in my own house to record.

If interested in how I did it, send me a DM. I did mix it to have that classic "RVG" type sound, from the Hackensack era.
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