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Old 8th September 2012
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16 bit recording with a distortion vst
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Search for wu tang 36 here on the forum. They said they used a portastudio, tape reels, rode classic or a u87...

You'll read more but that's what I got out of it
Old 8th September 2012
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36 chambers was all protools.
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Hey!! Just wanted to contribute to this post. This is a list of all the gear that I used to record and mix the first wu-tang album.

Console

Peavey Production Series 2400 With Megamix Automation (Run with a Mac SE-30)

Audio Recorders.

Ampex MM1200 24 track - Originally own by Prince. "Purple Rain" album was recorded with this machine.

The majority of the record was recorded on 2" tape except "Protect your Neck" which was record on a Tascam MS16 16 track 1" reel with Without Dolby NR

Sony APR5003 2 track 1/4" with SMPTE
Tascam DA-30 DAT Recorder
Tascam 244 portastudio
4 track was used to bounce final mixes from DAT to highspeed 4 track Cassette with Maxell MX 60 Crome Cassettes.

Speakers and Amps

Westlake Audio BBSM12
Yamaha NS10m
Aurtones C5
(2) Bryston Amps 4B
(2) OCS amps MX 700

Signal Processors

Ampex 350
API 3124
Quad 8
Focusrite ISA 215
API 550A
Pultek Custom 2 eq's
Aphex Lunch Box (2) eq's (2) Compressors
1 UREI 565 Notch Filter
2 UREI 1176
2 UREI LA-4
2 DBX 166
1 DBX 160x
2 DBX 266
2 DBX 563x The Silencer
1 Alesis 3630
Valley People Dynamite Comp/gate
Valley People Gatex
Barcus Barry BBE802 Aural Exciter

Efx Units

Tascam 122 MKII
was used on "repro" as an Analog slap back delay used on the vocals. You hear it more on "Bring the Ruckus"
Roland R888
Yamaha Rev 1 (Without the Remote...HaHa)
Lexicon PCM 60
Echo Plate III
Stocktronics RX 4000A
Lexicon LXP1-LXP5 + MRC
Lexicon PCM 41 & 42
(2) Yamaha SPX90
(2) Delta Lab 1024
Ibenez AD202
Roland RE-30
1

The only microphone that was used was an AKG-C414 EB


At the time RZa used an SP-1200, EPS 16 Plus then Graduated to an ASR-10. We would lockup the units to tape using a Roland SBX-80

The Following machines were used for the following Tracks

1 Bring da Ruckus - EPS16+
2 Shame on a Nigga - ASR10
3 Clan in da Front - ASR10
4 Wu-Tang: 7th Chamber - ASR10
5 Can It Be All So Simple/Intermission ASR10 /Sp-1200 for Intermission
6 Da Mystery of Chessboxin' ASR 10
7 Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthing ta F' Wit - EPS16+
8 C.R.E.A.M. EPS16+
9 Method Man SP1200
10 Protect Ya Neck EPS16+
11 Tearz -EPS16+
12 Wu-Tang: 7th Chamber, Pt. 2 ASR 10 ( I provided the live Drums )

Most vocal Performaces were flown in using Akai -S-1000 Stereo Sampler. We would sample a lead vocal on the left with a Snare or kik on the right for reference then fly in the verses in their places.



Peace, Carlos "C12" Bess

Nothing on 36 Chambers was Pro Tools and the only mic used was AKG - C414
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Nothing on 36 Chambers was Pro Tools and the only mic used was AKG - C414
Obviously no pro tools but what about the demo versions ? It didn't mention that. He also said odbs album an a couple others.
Old 8th September 2012
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OB4CL wasn't done on Pro Tools either... In the same thread Bess mentions that it was done on a Soundtrac JADE console to Tascam 2", API EQ & Pres and DP4 fx

Not sure about ODB... but I'm going to wager that did not see Pro Tools either.
Old 18th September 2012
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Could've sworn I read in RZA's Wu-Tang Manual that he either had different compressors or different compressor settings for each Wu member's vocals. Need to dig that book up. . .
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Could've sworn I read in RZA's Wu-Tang Manual that he either had different compressors or different compressor settings for each Wu member's vocals. Need to dig that book up. . .
yeah he said later on everyone had their own chain
Old 18th September 2012
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Tascam 122 MKII was used on "repro" as an Analog slap back delay used on the vocals. You hear it more on "Bring the Ruckus"
Can anybody expound on this??? What did he do exactly??

How do you config a tape deck as a slapback

Because I love the vocals on Bring Da Ruckus especially...its my favorite track on 36 by far.
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Nothing on 36 Chambers was Pro Tools and the only mic used was AKG - C414
Starting at 1:40. Straight from the horses mouth. Speak on what you know son.

Old 18th September 2012
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****, the Carlos Bess is severely wrong....

Even without seeing what Bess ran down....I'd still be skeptical, even hearing RZA say it, that the whole 36 album was done on Pro Tools.
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****, the Carlos Bess is severely wrong....

Even without seeing what Bess ran down....I'd still be skeptical, even hearing RZA say it, that the whole 36 album was done on Pro Tools.
Bess talking bout outboard gear, but vocals was recorded and edited using pro-tools.
Old 18th September 2012
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Ima post this for fun.

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Wow, it didn't know pro tools was even out in 1992. There was a 4 track version.
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Bess talking bout outboard gear, but vocals was recorded and edited using pro-tools.
Doesn't sound like PT to me....and he breaks down what was used to record as well.

Again, who knows tho.

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Most vocal Performaces were flown in using Akai -S-1000 Stereo Sampler. We would sample a lead vocal on the left with a Snare or kik on the right for reference then fly in the verses in their places.
Old 18th September 2012
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In 1992? When Sound Tools switched over to Pro Tools 1 which ran a whole whopping 4 tracks at a time? Somehow I don't think so....
Old 18th September 2012
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well that's what he's implying in that video but i also kind of doubt it, all that grass could easily have clouded his memory
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well that's what he's implying in that video but i also kind of doubt it, all that grass could easily have clouded his memory
lol they were messin with a lot more than grass in those days..haha
Old 19th September 2012
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lol they were messin with a lot more than grass in those days..haha
Lmao, word. Grass was like a cigarette in those days

Sent from my SPH-D710
Old 19th September 2012
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LMAO...no doubt, i meant in the current vid though ha
Old 19th September 2012
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damn....nobody knows the process of using the cassette deck as an analog slapback?

Or is it totally obsolete know and something that can be done with plugins or what?
Old 19th September 2012
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I love RZA more than a straight man should love another man.. But i'd take what he says about his oldschool recordings with a pinch of salt. I've heard him say all kinds of mad and contradictory **** about the 36 Chambers recordings, and you couldn't call that comprehensive list of gear that Carlos posted vague or 'fuzzy'.

However, I imagine RZA is talking about the vocal recordings when I mentions his separate chains for each member, and perhaps Carlos is talking about how they were mixed?

Also, I read from RZA that the Ol' Dirty album was mixed on an SSL, and it's safe to bet at that point that it was made on his ASR-10.
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damn....nobody knows the process of using the cassette deck as an analog slapback?

Or is it totally obsolete know and something that can be done with plugins or what?
The 112 has a sync and repro head playback selection.

Put on repro, adjust pitch adjust for delay time.

Waalaa. You now have cass-slap.
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The 112 has a sync and repro head playback selection.

Put on repro, adjust pitch adjust for delay time.

Waalaa. You now have cass-slap.
Damn....the MKII's are going for around $400+ on ebay.....

bump that.....

I want that sound tho!
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Tape emulator>delay

Feed the rtn channel into itself for feedback adjustment
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Tape emulator>delay

Feed the rtn channel into itself for feedback adjustment
yea def...gonna go toy around now...good looks!
Old 19th September 2012
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To be fair, he also didn't say 36 chambers was recorded and/or mixed in pro tools. He said he edited in pro tools. Once upon a time editing was considered an important step in between recording and mixing.
Old 19th September 2012
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Quote:
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36 chambers was all protools.
Wow 36th chambers was mixed????
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