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Old 21st May 2006 | Show parent
  #31
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Heres a different voice recorded on the same set-up.

No de-esser. Just C1 Comp and PSP Delay.

Do you consider this one, without a de-esser, just as bad or better?
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Old 21st May 2006 | Show parent
  #32
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Yeh, they are all sounding thin and a little nasty.

Maybe some dedening in your vocal room might help? Sounds like you have some hard surfaces somewhere. You haven't got a lyric sheet on a music stand near the mic by any chance? That might be adding some phasing. Or any hard surface within 6 feet of the mic.

You need to try differet mics. Go hire some from your local hire place, just some dynamics like the aforementioned Shure 57, also try a RE-20 and a Sennheiser 441.

You will be hard pushed to get a nice warm sounding condenser for anywhere near $300-$450. If you are serious, save up and get a Gefell at $2000 and up, or research other LDC around this price range.
Old 21st May 2006 | Show parent
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My recording enviroment is actually just the opposite.

I built a booth to isolate the sound and try to make it a little more dead.

Its kind of hard to see from the pic, but it does a good job of killing the "open" sound.
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Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyko/Acoustics
On the "pencil trick":

I thought it was only useful for reducing plosives by breaking the wavefront, not de-essing.


What's the deal?
Question bump! I need to get this straight from an authoritative GS member.

Anybody?
Old 22nd May 2006
  #35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPraze
After I compress my vocals (very little or heavily) I'm getting a bad "essing" problem.

I'm recording with a Rode NT1000 (using a pop screen) and Maudio Tampa.

I'm using various software compressors (RenComp, Comp1, PSPs VW, etc...) and its almost too bad for a de-esser. It Sounds too unnatural.

My voice isnt a big voice, not very deep, and I do have some "essing" to begin with, but its much more noticable after compressing.

Any tips, or ideas???

the problem is that NT1000..they are ess machines
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raggedy
First, I'd try backing up from the mic about a foot, and if that didn't work, I'd take a look at the Shure SM7b. Or if you must have a LDC, people seem to like the ADK Hamburg and MXL V69 in that price range, though I haven't tried them.

SM7 all the way
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
  #37
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I forgot to post the pic...

So are you guys recommending the "SM57" or the "SM7B"?

How do those compare to the ADK Hamburg and which do you think will benefit me most?
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
  #38
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I would probably try the SM7...
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
  #39
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thank you boodah

Quote:
Originally Posted by boodah
Is the DeEsser the first in your plug in chain?
If you're using waves Ren DeEsser, check this out: http://www.dc.umich.edu/dmc/emusic/D...s/RDeEsser.PDF
you are a life saver. that site has all of the pdf instruction manuals for the waves plug ins. thank you once again
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
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Well I have a few options. Two being...

A SM7B into my M-Audio Tampa or...

I could spend $450-$500 on a new Pre, and buy a SM57.


All info is greatly appreciated.

Thank you guys for the help thus far.
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
  #41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPraze
My recording enviroment is actually just the opposite.

I built a booth to isolate the sound and try to make it a little more dead.

Its kind of hard to see from the pic, but it does a good job of killing the "open" sound.
Ahh yeh, I think that booth is too small, it isn't helping get a good tone. You need a bigger room to get a better vocal, where you can be further from the mic and still get a direct sound. The booth isn't bad, but there is something in there that just sounds small. Does it have a window? How high is the ceiling? Whats on the floor?

WRT the mics, just go hire some and see what you like, no one here is gonna make the decision for you... Dynamic mics are the easiest and cheapest to hire, should cost you $20 for a day to try a couple out on hire.

Psyko/Acoustics - yeh, I think it was a plosives trick with the pencil, not a de-ess trick.
Old 22nd May 2006 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 7 Hz
Ahh yeh, I think that booth is too small, it isn't helping get a good tone. You need a bigger room to get a better vocal, where you can be further from the mic and still get a direct sound. The booth isn't bad, but there is something in there that just sounds small. Does it have a window? How high is the ceiling? Whats on the floor?
Its 4'x4'x7' with a carpeted floor. No window, (Wasnt sure if I should put one in or not, I'm still deciding).
Old 23rd May 2006 | Show parent
  #43
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What about a AT-4060?

How is it on higher pitched voices and siblance?
Old 24th May 2006 | Show parent
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check this out on mic techniques: http://www.recordingwebsite.com/rwti...ive/rw03r.html

Place the body of the microphone up above the blast of air from the consonants and off to the side where the signer has the lowest volume "S" sounds. Point the front of the mic at the lips of the singer. Use a distance of 6 to 8 inches. The singer should sing "straight ahead" and not "into" the microphone.
Old 24th May 2006 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPraze
Well I have a few options. Two being...

A SM7B into my M-Audio Tampa or...
I could spend $450-$500 on a new Pre, and buy a SM57.

All info is greatly appreciated.
Thank you guys for the help thus far.

I may get some disagreements, but I'd take the SM7b in a sprinter's heartbeat over the SM57 for your vocals. It'll certainly tame some of the sibilance you're having a problem with, and as a bonus, you'll be able to get more aggressive with the vocals if you want to...
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