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Old 19th October 2015 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Obagam ➡️
The transformers in a Neve will add magic to your recordings. The cleaner aspects of an SSL console is the reason why I prefer it for mixing especially if introducing outboard gear. If possible, I'd use both during my production process.
Nice first time post. Magic really?
Old 19th October 2015 | Show parent
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Nice first time post. Magic really?
Thanks. Yup, those St. Ives transformers are magical.
Old 19th October 2015
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You asked what I prefer.
SSL.
Clean.
Lots of head room.
The compressor does this weird thing where it feels like it's pushing the source foward. Love the dynamics section. EQ is ok. Great imaging if it's maintained. Never got into automation until the later models.
A lot of routing options. The only thing I do hate about them is the buss compressor. I'm usually mixing bass heavy material and it kills my low end.
I've never looked into if you can filter the comp. but I usually patch a neve mbp on my master which travels with me everywhere.
Old 19th October 2015
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Common went to a an old discrete Neve console for his last 2 albums and I don't think it sounds very good. Kinda muddy.

EDIT: Of course I love the Neve sound by itself, but I don't think it lends itself to that modern snappy Hip Hop sound very well. It's like in the late 80s, early 90s, when a couple of Hip Hop classics were mixed on Neves. The entrance of SSL has changed that aesthetic radically. The 88R/Genesys can be nice though. While the Duality/AWS (ultra-clean and neutral)

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Old 20th October 2015
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People, this thread is about mixing on a Neve console vs. an SSL console from.... wait for it.... 2006! Almost nobody is mixing hip-hop or r&b on EITHER in 2015. With rare exception, hip-hop and r&b are being mixed ITB or ITB with a little outboard where necessary.
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People, this thread is about mixing on a Neve console vs. an SSL console from.... wait for it.... 2006! Almost nobody is mixing hip-hop or r&b on EITHER in 2015. With rare exception, hip-hop and r&b are being mixed ITB or ITB with a little outboard where necessary.
Actually this thread was asking specifically if you're an engineer, which do you prefer. Whether it's relevant or not. maybe he's just learning about mixing. So if you don't have anything positive to add to his post. Why are you on it. I still mix on some form of an SSL. EVERYDAY.
I enjoy it.
Old 22nd October 2015 | Show parent
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Common went to a an old discrete Neve console for his last 2 albums and I don't think it sounds very good. Kinda muddy.
Sounds interesting - where did you hear his last lp's were on an old Neve ?
Old 22nd October 2015 | Show parent
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old chung king = neve.
i'd say THE sound of the mid to late 80s for hip hop.

run dmc
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Old 14th April 2016 | Show parent
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actually this thread was asking specifically if you're an engineer, which do you prefer. Whether it's relevant or not. Maybe he's just learning about mixing. So if you don't have anything positive to add to his post. Why are you on it. I still mix on some form of an ssl. Everyday.
I enjoy it.
why are we yelling at each other!
Old 14th April 2016 | Show parent
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SSL
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Originally Posted by chris carter ➡️
People, this thread is about mixing on a Neve console vs. an SSL console from.... wait for it.... 2006! Almost nobody is mixing hip-hop or r&b on EITHER in 2015. With rare exception, hip-hop and r&b are being mixed ITB or ITB with a little outboard where necessary.
Almost nobody, but definitely not nobody.
Old 14th April 2016 | Show parent
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Like most here have said, track with classic Neve, mix with SSL or modern Neve. FWIW, most SSL rooms always have a rack of Neve and API pres off to the side for tracking.


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So I am wondering what strengths/differences there are between the different console emulations and channel strips for various instruments and genres. Any thoughts ?
This should not be in the high end, but I'll answer with my opinion. The closest you'll come to capturing an analogue console sound in the box is Acustica Audio Nebula, with Alex B's libraries. Search the Nebula threads in the Computer Music section to see what many have to share about console emulations.
Old 14th April 2016
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SSL 4000 G was the first desk I recorded with, but I tried a Neve 88R and just moved to that studio
Old 18th April 2016
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If we are talking just consoles, and ONLY ones you can buy new:

On the low end: I'd prefer an SSL X-desk - make it sound however you want.

Out of the big guys: I've only had time with an AWS 924, so my opinion is probably not worth reading... but I was impressed. Very clean and unobtrusive. I love those EQs. I preferred it to our DDA DMR12.
Old 20th April 2016 | Show parent
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Thanks. Yup, those St. Ives transformers are magical.
if you had to describe... what do they do to the sound?
Old 20th April 2016
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Ssl 4 or 6k here.
Old 20th May 2017 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Will The Weirdo ➡️
Like most here have said, track with classic Neve, mix with SSL or modern Neve. FWIW, most SSL rooms always have a rack of Neve and API pres off to the side for tracking.

This should not be in the high end, but I'll answer with my opinion. The closest you'll come to capturing an analogue console sound in the box is Acustica Audio Nebula, with Alex B's libraries. Search the Nebula threads in the Computer Music section to see what many have to share about console emulations.
In your opinion, do you think AlexB's MFC and MFeQ are superior (sonically) to GOLD (Acqua)?

Perhaps Ill just use GOLD or SAND for compression (and EQ maybe).
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In your opinion, do you think AlexB's MFC and MFeQ are superior (sonically) to GOLD (Acqua)?

Perhaps Ill just use GOLD or SAND for compression (and EQ maybe).
Gold has a tone more color and would be a tracking/tone plugin to me, while MFC has the clean punch perfect for mixing.
Old 21st November 2020 | Show parent
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Hi, in 2021 almost, you still preffer ssl to neve for mixing? Or this new genesys and 8424 consoles give the best of both worlds for mixing?
Old 21st November 2020 | Show parent
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it is what it is but the majority of rap and r&b records r being mixed itb nowadays. phil tan to duro to many others. bob power mixed common's be itb. used to block sony for the big engineer and he'd still mix itb and just monitor thru the ssl.
Old thread but.... Most Rap/Hiphop albums now days (2020) use sampled instruments. That's completely different compared to a group of people recording into a console. Sampled instruments already have a semi-finished sound. The great thing about a Neve/SSL console is tracking through the pre's and transformers, while putting your hands on something rather than your eyes constantly glued to a screen. Typically people who use consoles also commit a lot quicker than those who mix in the box. Now days there are so many people who mix in the box, and there isn't anything wrong with that. Some great music is written and produced that way, but most would agree they would prefer tracking through hardware/a console. The problem is a lot of albums don't really need real musicians anymore.
Old 22nd November 2020 | Show parent
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Hi, in 2021 almost, you still preffer ssl to neve for mixing? Or this new genesys and 8424 consoles give the best of both worlds for mixing?
I went with an API Box a few years back but today I would seriously look at that 8424 if I was buying an expandable mini console to build around.
Old 2nd December 2020 | Show parent
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Track on a console (I use an API at my studio, but I rather like Neves as well...vintage 80xx or the newer 5088).

Mix in the computer. It's fun to mix on a desk and all, but in 2020 it's just not practical and if you do this professionally and have clients to answer to, you'll drive yourself bonkers unless you go heavy on the stems printing.

SSL eqs are cool, but I'd rather not track through their mic amps, given the choice. But then again, if it came down to doing a tracking session on an SSL vs. doing a tracking session with no console at all, I'd happily work on the SSL.
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