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Old 23rd November 2012 | Show parent
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There are a few good and informative posts on my facebook page regarding some more advanced aspects of reverb. Look for posts on 9/28, 10/9 and 10/24.

thanks boss!

for the easier to find/read wordpress versions of chris' posts...

Chris 'Von Pimpenstein' Carter: Tips Archive
Old 31st March 2013 | Show parent
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If you understand German you should google for "Tontempel" and "Die Entstehung von Hall und seine künstliche Reproduktion". I don´t post a direct link because it looks privatly hosted and I don´t want to be responsible for stealing his bandwith . So for those of you who are interested use the above mentioned method.

Christian Kühne wrote it and it´s an indepth guide (actually his thesis) about reverberation in theory and how to apply it in the studio.

44 pages of unbelievable valuable information without going that deep into math (just a few "basic" calculations). Most of it is actually pretty easy to understand. And he does both pretty well: explaining the physics of reverberation and their reproduction in the studio. He covers a lot: some basic acoustic physic thingys, differences between reverberation units (eg plate, spring, room, hall), RT60, predelay, artificial and convolution, ERs and their room informations, late reflections, diffusion, echo, pre-delay stacking in practice, modulation etc.

Pretty awesome if you ask me (and for free ).

Cheers,
Sebastian
Old 31st March 2013 | Show parent
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This is a great threat. Many thanks to Storyville.
Its been about a year since you discovered this threat. Did anyone call Homeland Security? I have not been outside since this was posted. Is it safe? I am almost out of toothpaste!
Old 20th December 2014
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If you want a massive trance reverb......just make sure you use it on a return track...and make sure it's pre fader......thats a good start

heres the note reverb times....that was a good post, i think its makes a difference if you use the correct reverb tail times...according to tempo...and also for longer ones like 1 bar 2 bars 4bars tails

BPM 1/4_ 1/8th 1/16th 1/2 note 1 bar 2 bars 4 bars 8 bars
141 0.425532 0.212766 0.106383 0.851064 1.702128 3.404255 6.808511
140 0.428571 0.214286 0.107143 0.857143 1.714286 3.428571 6.857143
139 0.431655 0.215827 0.107914 0.863309 1.726619 3.453237 6.906475
138 0.434783 0.217391 0.108696 0.869565 1.73913 3.478261 6.956522 13.91304
137 0.437956 0.218978 0.109489 0.875912 1.751825 3.50365 7.007299 14.0146
136 0.441176 0.220588 0.110294 0.882353 1.764706 3.529412 7.058824 14.11765
135 0.444444 0.222222 0.111111 0.888889 1.777778 3.555556 7.111111 14.22222
134 0.447761 0.223881 0.11194 0.895522 1.791045 3.58209 7.164179 14.32836
133 0.451128 0.225564 0.112782 0.902256 1.804511 3.609023 7.218045 14.43609
132 0.454545 0.227273 0.113636 0.909091 1.818182 3.636364 7.272727 14.54545
131 0.458015 0.229008 0.114504 0.916031 1.832061 3.664122 7.328244 14.65649
130 0.461538 0.230769 0.115385 0.923077 1.846154 3.692308 7.384615 14.76923
129 0.465116 0.232558 0.116279 0.930233 1.860465 3.72093 7.44186 14.88372
128 0.46875 0.234375 0.117188 0.9375 1.875 3.75 7.5 15
127 0.472441 0.23622 0.11811 0.944882 1.889764 3.779528 7.559055 15.11811
126 0.47619 0.238095 0.119048 0.952381 1.904762 3.809524 7.619048 15.2381
125 0.48 0.24 0.12 0.96 1.92 3.84 7.68 15.36
124 0.483871 0.241935 0.120968 0.967742 1.935484 3.870968 7.741935 15.48387
123 0.487805 0.243902 0.121951 0.97561 1.95122 3.902439 7.804878 15.60976
Old 10th January 2015
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Old 24th January 2015
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This is the best reverb info ever! Thx
Old 24th January 2015
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Priceless info here.
Old 24th January 2015
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Don't forget guys you can also add fx to your reverbs like compression or guitar amplification or bit reduction to get reaaaaaaaaly wild results
Old 26th January 2015
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I know this might sound dumb question but do reverb and delay have the same calculation process? Like if your bpm is 120 and you want quarter notes is it still 500ms?
Old 2nd February 2015 | Show parent
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I know this might sound dumb question but do reverb and delay have the same calculation process? Like if your bpm is 120 and you want quarter notes is it still 500ms?
Yes sir.
Old 10th April 2015 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Godson ➡️
Don't forget guys you can also add fx to your reverbs like compression or guitar amplification or bit reduction to get reaaaaaaaaly wild results
Totally. I like to setup reverb chains like:

Filters -> EQ -> Compression -> Reverb -> Modulation -> Saturation/Distortion

Filters, EQ, Compression, Modulation, and Saturation/Distortion are all optionally engaged.

Modulation might use something like Waves Enigma, MondoMod, Avid FilterGate, or anything else that 'moves the reverb around'.

All depends on the genre, song, and intent of the producer, engineer, and artist.
Old 13th April 2015 | Show parent
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anyone knows what Tyler,The Creator / Mac DeMarco / King Krule / Earl Sweatshirt reverb uses?
i need that airy atmopshere vibe
I NEED THAT AIR IN MY BEAT!
Old 1st June 2015
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This is an amazing thread.
Old 1st June 2015
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Does anyone know how to apply heavy amounts of reverb on a vocal and yet still keep it present in the mix?

Two examples that come to mind for me is Usher's "Climax" track although that also has a lot more delay fx too, and anything by Tinashe... I'm more thinking about Tinashe because they drown her in it on songs like these: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxJmmanmMZA
Old 2nd June 2015 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Godson ➡️
Does anyone know how to apply heavy amounts of reverb on a vocal and yet still keep it present in the mix?

Two examples that come to mind for me is Usher's "Climax" track although that also has a lot more delay fx too, and anything by Tinashe... I'm more thinking about Tinashe because they drown her in it on songs like these: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxJmmanmMZA
It's a matter of opinion but on that first Tinashe track I wouldn't describe her vocal as particularly "drowned" in reverb? Seems like a pretty standard amount of reverb for an R&B vocal to me.

Same with "Climax," actually. There's a lot of reverb across that song in general (on instruments and stuff), but his vocal doesn't strike me as particularly wet.

That said, here are a couple ways off the top of my head to keep a vocal present even with a decent amount of reverb. Basically it boils down to getting the reverb out of the way of the most important parts of the vocal. You can do that by
  • Increase pre-delay: creates distance between reverb and vocal
  • Dampen high frequencies on reverb so vocal is more present. Maybe even consider doing an EQ cut on the reverb aux around 3k or so so that the vocalist's enunciations have more room to cut through
  • Widen the reverb. The vocal reverb on "Climax" sounds pretty wide to me
  • Use both reverb and delay; you can lean on delay a bit more than reverb without clouding up your mix, so that can allow you to get the ambience you want without relying too much on reverb. You can even send your delay to reverb to get more ambience, or even route the delay track so it outputs 100% to your reverb aux. Also, same tricks apply to delay as these reverb tricks--dampen highs, widen the delay track, etc.

Last edited by yosemitesam; 3rd June 2015 at 04:18 PM.. Reason: typos
Old 3rd June 2015 | Show parent
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It's a matter of opinion but on that first Tinashe track I wouldn't describe her vocal as particularly "drowned" in reverb? Seems like a pretty standard amount of reverb for an R&B vocal to me.

Same with "Climax," actually. There's a lot of reverb across that song in general (on instruments and stuff), but his vocal doesn't strike me as particularly wet.

That said, here are a couple ways off the top of my head to keep a vocal present even with a decent amount of reverb. Basically it boils down to getting th reverb out of the way of the most important parts of the vocal. You can do that by
  • Increase pre-delay: creates distance between reverb and vocal
  • Dampen high frequencies on reverb so vocal is more present. Maybe even consider doing an EQ cut on the reverb aux around 3k or so so that the vocalist's enunciations have more room to cut through
  • Widen the reverb. The vocal reverb on "Climax" sounds pretty wide to me
  • Use both reverb and delay; you can lean on delay a bit more than reverb without clouding up your mix, so that can allow you to get the ambience you want without relying too much on reverb. You can even send your delay to reverb to get more ambience, or even route the delay track to it outputs 100% to your reverb aux. Also, same tricks apply to delay as these reverb tricks--dampen highs, widen the delay track, etc.
Very cool response, and yes that reverb on Climax IS wide. I'd never think of doing it that way but it worked there. Reverb is the bane of my production life, because while it's easy enough to do with music (add more, add less!) everything must be precise with VOCALS. Why do you say cut the reverb @3k? I notice that on most mixes that 3k area has a lot of the "microphone" sound, if that makes sense. I usually cut it to make the vox sound more "open"...

I've also messed around with predelays a lot more lately. it's kinda scary lol like I know WHAT it's doing but i don't know when the settings are "too much" or not enough.
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Originally Posted by Godson ➡️
Very cool response, and yes that reverb on Climax IS wide. I'd never think of doing it that way but it worked there. Reverb is the bane of my production life, because while it's easy enough to do with music (add more, add less!) everything must be precise with VOCALS. Why do you say cut the reverb @3k? I notice that on most mixes that 3k area has a lot of the "microphone" sound, if that makes sense. I usually cut it to make the vox sound more "open"...

I've also messed around with predelays a lot more lately. it's kinda scary lol like I know WHAT it's doing but i don't know when the settings are "too much" or not enough.
I think I know what you mean, in that frequency range if you have too much of it (or not enough highs and lows) it can start to sound kind of "telephone-y"? I typically find myself boosting there on pop/R&B style vocals, but just like any other part of the frequency spectrum, it's possible to have too much of it, in which case you'll want to cut it.

I suggested cutting the reverb at 3k (and to be clear, I don't know if I've ever tried that myself, this is just a suggestion) just because vocals tend to have their presence and intelligibility somewhere around there. It's not notched right at 3k, it's a somewhat broad frequency range centered around there. So just in general, if vocals aren't quite cutting through the way you like, it's not a bad idea to cut a little around 3k or so on anything that has presence there.

Personally I haven't had the need to do that to a vocal reverb yet, but you may encounter a reverb that has more high-mid presence than you need.

With pre-delays, I think somewhere in this thread Storyville or someone else suggested keeping it to 100 ms or less. And in some notes I took, I wrote down that Dave Pensado said somewhere that he generally keeps his pre-delays under 150 ms, and they're usually a 16th note or less. For ballads he says the pre-delay might be 1/8 note, or even 1/4 note once in a while. Also you can go with longer note value pre-delays if the song is at a faster tempo (e.g. at 160 bpm, an 8th note is 187.5 ms, that might not be a terrible setting depending on the song).

The pre-delay is too long when it feels like the reverb isn't attached to the vocal anymore. If you're using it for this specific purpose, it's too short if it's still getting in the way of the vocal/clouding the mix and making the vocal harder to understand. (Other good uses for pre-delay include making whatever you're using the reverb on seem farther away, and making the reverb gel better rhythmically with the song.)
Old 29th October 2015
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Very interesting. Has anyone noticed the difference between reverb mix and reverb level? I found out that with one of my synths, turning up the reverb level just adds reverb, without compromising the volume of the dry signal. This means I can't get a 100% wet sound, but I get a consistent volume in the dry sound even when automating the reverb level in and out.
Old 29th October 2015
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Very interesting. Has anyone noticed the difference between reverb mix and reverb level? I found out that with one of my synths, turning up the reverb level just adds reverb, without compromising the volume of the dry signal. This means I can't get a 100% wet sound, but I get a consistent volume in the dry sound even when automating the reverb level in and out.
yes, i've noticed this with any effect. in fact, that's the main reason why most people prefer adding effects thru "parallel", so you can get control over the dry/wet signals.
Old 29th October 2015
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Story always brings in the good information.
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Originally Posted by Storyville ➡️
Size. Size will effect the tightness of the sound. This is more creative, but here's a good starting place: Divide your time by ten, and round to the closest integer. That's a good number of ft for your room size. Adjust up or down according to tone and texture. Too large will get a spacey characterless sound. Too tight will sound almost more like a echo/delay.
What doeas "your time" is? Song bpm?

Thanks
Old 14th October 2016
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I've actually started putting more effort into my Reverb settings. Waves H-Verb is probably the most complex Reverb I own. It is simple, but it has a lot of parameters that can be turned on/off or even automated. Thus far, in taking the additional time twerk my verb setting I'm finding a nice layer of texture to my mixes. Feels right. I've been studying a lot of these chart topping records and I'm starting to notice very few FXs are just standard. They are using the same tools we have access to. So yeah, I'm digging deeper with these parameters lately. Glad I did. Great thread!!! I grabbed a few tips for my personal toolbox for sure.
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Originally Posted by Storyville ➡️
Size. Size will effect the tightness of the sound. This is more creative, but here's a good starting place: Divide your time by ten, and round to the closest integer. That's a good number of ft for your room size. Adjust up or down according to tone and texture. Too large will get a spacey characterless sound. Too tight will sound almost more like a echo/delay.
What doeas "your time" is? Song bpm?

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