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Old 25th January 2009
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Treating Backround vox

Lets start a forum on how you treat your backround vox/Doubles?adlibs ect as far as EQing goes. Also do you always want a less step cut off curve for any vox opposed to instruments?
Old 25th January 2009
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i think there was a discussion about this a few weeks ago.

search my man!
Old 25th January 2009
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Originally Posted by skiroy ➡️
Lets start a forum on how you treat your backround vox/Doubles?adlibs ect as far as EQing goes. Also do you always want a less step cut off curve for any vox opposed to instruments?
Man,how many times are people gonna ask the same old tired questions??
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On a site like this you are going to the the same questions over and over . Half the stuff you search for leads to searching more.
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Lets start a forum on how you treat your backround vox/Doubles?adlibs ect as far as EQing goes. Also do you always want a less step cut off curve for any vox opposed to instruments?
YEAH , Lets do that
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i usually get rid of alot of low end from doubles maybe high as 300-400hz depending on the track a litle delay also. panning helps too. do what you want with adlibs
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lets start a forum for background vocals...

bgvoxslutz.com, sick!
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I do mostly r&b(singing) vocal sessions.
My usual treatment,depending on texture is as follows:

4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

Stereo stem of each note

Hi pass each stem until the low mid mud goes away.

Boost a little 5k for presence and a little 12-14 k for air and there you have it.

I keep each stem seperate so that I can get a perfect blend of the harmony and automate if needed.
My favorite verbs are UAD plate 140 and Breverb.
For delay its Waves Supertap and PSP 84.

I set up 3 stereo aux faders as verb 1,verb 2 and delay.

Send your individual stems to the aux faders and ....voila!!!
Old 25th January 2009 | Show parent
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One step at a time Skiroy.

You cover so much in such a little amount of time I find it heard to believe you learn/master everything people speak about in depth.

It's like a typical college course: Be exposed to a bunch of **** (wide), but you don't really understand it (no depth). Basically, your skills will be a big ass kiddy pool, instead of an olympic pool with the 3 story diving board depths. lol.

No, I am no flaming you either. I'm speaking from experience.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phillysoulman ➡️
I do mostly r&b(singing) vocal sessions.
My usual treatment,depending on texture is as follows:

4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

Stereo stem of each note

Hi pass each stem until the low mid mud goes away.

Boost a little 5k for presence and a little 12-14 k for air and there you have it.

I keep each stem seperate so that I can get a perfect blend of the harmony and automate if needed.
My favorite verbs are UAD plate 140 and Breverb.
For delay its Waves Supertap and PSP 84.

I set up 3 stereo aux faders as verb 1,verb 2 and delay.

Send your individual stems to the aux faders and ....voila!!!
Oh dip, man! You use Overloud's Breverb too? That's like the greatest reverb plugin ever (besides FabFilter's Timeless).

I also use PSP 84 and PSP 608 too!!!
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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One step at a time Skiroy.

You cover so much in such a little amount of time I find it heard to believe you learn/master everything people speak about in depth.

It's like a typical college course: Be exposed to a bunch of **** (wide), but you don't really understand it (no depth). Basically, your skills will be a big ass kiddy pool, instead of an olympic pool with the 3 story diving board depths. lol.

No, I am no flaming you either. I'm speaking from experience.
Yes you have a pont. But it works for me. Plus I save every post it my favorites as a personal reference source to go back to.
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One step at a time Skiroy.

You cover so much in such a little amount of time I find it heard to believe you learn/master everything people speak about in depth.

It's like a typical college course: Be exposed to a bunch of **** (wide), but you don't really understand it (no depth). Basically, your skills will be a big ass kiddy pool, instead of an olympic pool with the 3 story diving board depths. lol.

No, I am no flaming you either. I'm speaking from experience.
I feel like I have never fixed a car besides changing oil and spark plugs, but Im going to go to school to be a mechanic and I need to get myself familar with all the possiable tools before I start actually really working with them on a reg. Now when something is mentioned at my school I have a foundation and some experience to absorbed whats being taught.
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I bus my BGs on a stereo buss then process:

At first i make sure that all the vocals are properly tuned/aligned. If not i use AT and synchro arts VA.The next plug in is usually UAD desser followed by a touch of software bus compression(usually duende ssl x comp). I send everything out to my xrack and insert a Boss EH50 to give some top end shimmer> TC M350 smooth chorus+nearfield reverb> behringer EX-1 stereo enhancer. Very simple but it works really(i mean REALLY) well
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phillysoulman ➡️
I do mostly r&b(singing) vocal sessions.
My usual treatment,depending on texture is as follows:

4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L
Yeah Phill is right. This is very good method for layering stacks and harmonies. If you want a bigger/thicker sound just double or triple up everything!!

I usually do things progressively on each chorus:

1st:

4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

2nd:

8x top note pan 2R and 2L
8x middle note pan 2R and 2L
8x low note pan 2R and 2L

final chorus:

16x top note pan 2R and 2L
16x middle note pan 2R and 2L
16x low note pan 2R and 2L

As Phill pointed out watch out from the mud: I usually use 737 hi pass filter everything below 100/120hz>c800g> dip some low mids in the mix
Old 26th January 2009
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Originally Posted by skiroy ➡️
Lets start a forum on how you treat your backround vox/Doubles?adlibs ect as far as EQing goes. Also do you always want a less step cut off curve for any vox opposed to instruments?

i roll off the high end like at 10k on Back Vox, so i can keep the mids and lows, so i can get full backing vox. I dont find myself never adding EQ to adlibs they are gonna be low in the mix anyway, but when i do, i set them to the same EQ as the lead vox and turn them down to a reasonabl level.
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i roll off the high end like at 10k on Back Vox, so i can keep the mids and lows, so i can get full backing vox.
Old 26th January 2009 | Show parent
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i dont like alot of highs in the back vox, it sorta takes away from the lead, but i like the sound of the mids in backing vox....Everyone has their own technique man
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by solidstate ➡️
I bus my BGs on a stereo buss then process:

At first i make sure that all the vocals are properly tuned/aligned. If not i use AT and synchro arts VA.The next plug in is usually UAD desser followed by a touch of software bus compression(usually duende ssl x comp). I send everything out to my xrack and insert a Boss EH50 to give some top end shimmer> TC M350 smooth chorus+nearfield reverb> behringer EX-1 stereo enhancer. Very simple but it works really(i mean REALLY) well
Someone reads WORDS for WORDS Mix mag and Dave Pensado's Interviews...heh
Dave Hard Drive Pensado
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Someone reads WORDS for WORDS Mix mag and Dave Pensado's Interviews...heh
Dave Hard Drive Pensado
cmon now It might come as surprise to you but Mr. pensado ain't the only one using the EH 50 on BGs
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by phillysoulman ➡️
I do mostly r&b(singing) vocal sessions.
My usual treatment,depending on texture is as follows:

4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

Stereo stem of each note

Hi pass each stem until the low mid mud goes away.

Boost a little 5k for presence and a little 12-14 k for air and there you have it.

I keep each stem seperate so that I can get a perfect blend of the harmony and automate if needed.
My favorite verbs are UAD plate 140 and Breverb.
For delay its Waves Supertap and PSP 84.

I set up 3 stereo aux faders as verb 1,verb 2 and delay.

Send your individual stems to the aux faders and ....voila!!!
Philly when you pan your stacks
4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

How do you pan them? Do you hard pan 100% then 50% then center? Which gets center and which gets hard,50%?
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Philly when you pan your stacks
4x top note pan 2R and 2L
4x middle note pan 2R and 2L
4x low note pan 2R and 2L

How do you pan them? Do you hard pan 100% then 50% then center? Which gets center and which gets hard,50%?
All hard pan...that way your note distribution is even.
I dont do that "oclock stuff" for bgvs.
My bgvs always come out sounding "silky and smooth"
Think of how Luther Vandross bgvs sounded .
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All hard pan...that way your note distribution is even.
I dont do that "oclock stuff" for bgvs.
My bgvs always come out sounding "silky and smooth"
Think of how Luther Vandross bgvs sounded .
So when you say hard pan does this =100%? sO wHEN YOU SAY YOU DONT DO THE "OCLOCK STUFF".Does that mean you just do it differently every time with no reference formula in mind?
Old 27th January 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by skiroy ➡️
So when you say hard pan does this =100%? sO wHEN YOU SAY YOU DONT DO THE "OCLOCK STUFF".Does that mean you just do it differently every time with no reference formula in mind?
There is NO formula.
I just like to pan my bvocs this way because of to me its sounds great that way.
BTW,if you really want to hear some SERIOUS bvoc recording,listen to the Carpenters Greatest Hits cd and its bgvoc university.
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