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Hip Hop producers stop buying kits, and learn to engineer.
Old 29th August 2020
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Hip Hop producers stop buying kits, and learn to engineer.

Just my 2. I find it better learn to make your own kits. Improve your musicianship etc. Learn how to mix your own beats, record vocals etc. I would also learn how to make your own loops. Forget using illmind, frank duke and other kits. No point in having to clear with them, when you can make your own. Get with some young musicians at local music schools near you.
Old 29th August 2020
  #2
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Everyone has their own ways to produce. Anyone's musicianship is not up to where they sample from.

It's good to hear that you like to create your loops with kids from local schools but my approach is different. I can't see why yours would be better.

Hiphop has never been about who is the best engineer or who can compose the best. It's always been about using your creativity. There is no barriers, anything goes. I find it somewhat disgusting that some kid in the internet tries to tell what should be done to create hiphop. Even if it's his 2 cents. Money not well spent imo.

I'm 100% with trying to improve yourselves as artists or producers but 100% against trying to tell what should be done.

I guess you would have told Dilla not to sample from records, right?

I love to sample records, it is the biggest part of getting the vibes from producing. And you should always do you, what feels the best.
Old 29th August 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Asno B. ➡️
Everyone has their own ways to produce. Anyone's musicianship is not up to where they sample from.

It's good to hear that you like to create your loops with kids from local schools but my approach is different. I can't see why yours would be better.

Hiphop has never been about who is the best engineer or who can compose the best. It's always been about using your creativity. There is no barriers, anything goes. I find it somewhat disgusting that some kid in the internet tries to tell what should be done to create hiphop. Even if it's his 2 cents. Money not well spent imo.

I'm 100% with trying to improve yourselves as artists or producers but 100% against trying to tell what should be done.

I guess you would have told Dilla not to sample from records, right?

I love to sample records, it is the biggest part of getting the vibes from producing. And you should always do you, what feels the best.
I liked sampling records years ago when DJing. I've learned to adapt with the times personally. Now I'm sampling on my ipad using Beatmaker 3. Times are great for music creation. It was important for me to be open to things in music and music technology and not be bitter that things weren't the same when I was growing up.
Old 29th August 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by makinbeatz ➡️
I liked sampling records years ago when DJing. I've learned to adapt with the times personally. Now I'm sampling on my ipad using Beatmaker 3. Times are great for music creation. It was important for me to be open to things in music and music technology and not be bitter that things weren't the same when I was growing up.
So now your the man to tell how hiphop should be produced?

How you are open to things when you literally are telling how things should be done?

Produce and let produce. Don't put yourself on a pedestal, your way is not better in any means.
Old 29th August 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Asno B. ➡️
So now your the man to tell how hiphop should be produced?

How you are open to things when you literally are telling how things should be done?

Produce and let produce. Don't put yourself on a pedestal, your way is not better in any means.
Of course not champ. Rock with what you know best. Cheers mate.
Old 29th August 2020
  #6
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Originally Posted by makinbeatz ➡️
Just my 2. I find it better learn to make your own kits. Improve your musicianship etc. Learn how to mix your own beats, record vocals etc. I would also learn how to make your own loops. Forget using illmind, frank duke and other kits. No point in having to clear with them, when you can make your own. Get with some young musicians at local music schools near you.

I definitely agree with the engineering aspect. These days poorly mixed beats won't get you far as pretty much all beatmakers now have the proper tools to professionally mix.

That said people have different skill sets in production. Some people gravitate towards sound design. Others in song/music writing/composition.

And it is probably best to excel in what interests you.

That said an excellent songwriter, composer, sound designer, engineer, who can put it all together is worth millions, or more likely billions.
Old 22nd September 2020
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i think you both are right. some can learn. some buy to adapt existing sound.


but i'm more concerned the kits being sold are just the same dam sound when it comes to drums, snare, clap.
Trap has about the same or no more than 10 kicks/800 and maybe 5-6 snares and 5-6 claps. Tons of kit selling them like it's something different. lol.
Old 22nd September 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by UnMix Studio ➡️
i think you both are right. some can learn. some buy to adapt existing sound.


but i'm more concerned the kits being sold are just the same dam sound when it comes to drums, snare, clap.
Trap has about the same or no more than 10 kicks/800 and maybe 5-6 snares and 5-6 claps. Tons of kit selling them like it's something different. lol.
You can still make them sound different, change end or attack time, change pitch, add filters, make these change dynamics, eg with sampler modulators

I mean take a modern bass guitar, it has the same sound as the other models but how you play it will make the difference
Old 22nd September 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by keefaz ➡️
You can still make them sound different, change end or attack time, change pitch, add filters, make these change dynamics, eg with sampler modulators

I mean take a modern bass guitar, it has the same sound as the other models but how you play it will make the difference
why buy kits to recreate if you would do that much? Just create your own.
i agree that producers can buy kits, if they don't have time or skill to tweak, an some can make their own.
Old 4th October 2020
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Then again, not everyone wants to get into engineering fully themselves: they want to put their energy on producing music, not engineering it.
Some of the artists I work with have said they don't have time or interest to dive into engineering, and they're happy to pay me for fixing things for them.
Especially if you produce a lot, I totally get it.
Old 19th November 2020
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pointless thread telling people what production approach they should take also not correct to assume producers cannot develop they own production sound and style despit using kit drums
Old 19th November 2020
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There's no use man. You're talking about a genre that's roots are in taking someone else's recording/kits/sounds etc. didn't Kanye say this once?
Old 28th November 2020 | Show parent
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I'm not really talking about artist. I'm speaking more on modern producers who to me are taking more initiative in doing everything themselves. With the software/hardware out producers will start mixing themselves.
Old 28th November 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by jpeg ➡️
pointless thread telling people what production approach they should take also not correct to assume producers cannot develop they own production sound and style despit using kit drums
It's advice from modern producers who are on for what I said (Nick Mira/Kenny Beats etc). Producers are trying to pitch beats to artists, so what better way than learning to engineer. The engineer doesn't show up to a session, you can do it because you know Pro Tools. Perfect opportunity to showcase beats because an artist will ask for you to play or give more beats. The advice I guess is more for those producers who are trying to pursue music as a career.
Old 4th December 2020
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The guys I personally know working at high levels in the songwriting/beatmaking industry (what you'd refer to here as "producing") absolutely strive to make their own interesting and unique sounds.
Old 14th December 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by bgrotto ➡️
The guys I personally know working at high levels in the songwriting/beatmaking industry (what you'd refer to here as "producing") absolutely strive to make their own interesting and unique sounds.
I've always thought of that as a function of production. I realize I'm from what many would call the "old school" era of MPC 60/3000,SP1200, EPS/ASR, and actual 808s, but the truth is most producers were never engineers. Sure there are some rare humans who can play basketball and football at a high level. There are some who can produce and engineer well. But honestly, if you have the production chops, it's more lucrative to partner with a great engineer and concentrate on production $$$.

Having the vision to know how you want something to sound is part of production. And, truthfully few people know in the beginning how something is going to take shape. The great producers steer the process into positive results. Most producers didn't have 30,000 kick samples that they actually used. We all had a bunch of them, but we used about 7-8. Layering the right sounds together was a production function. Mixing took them to another level that made them fit the song.

Most sample sets that are being sold are only processed versions of the same common samples. The sad part of this is that we have tools that do things we could only have dreamt about back in the late 80's early 90's. And we have access to years of great samples from records.

Instead of creatively using the tools, today, we have guys thinking they'll buy the right sample pack. So, they keep buying them, searching for one better than the others.


I try to be on the producer side of it and concentrate on songs/productions these days. A song sells for a bunch more than a kick sample does.
Old 31st December 2020 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by jlgrimes11 ➡️
These days poorly mixed beats won't get you far as pretty much all beatmakers now have the proper tools to professionally mix.
And that automatically makes you believe they can use it too? I'm awed where a lot of people's minds are.

Only because you can download free or warezed software and it looks so "close" it does not mean you know anything about mixing.

"Having the tools" wow. So if I give you a scissor you are a barber already.

Most music sounds worse than ever before.
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