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Old 1st December 2002
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Gear question for EveAnna and Fletcher

What do you guys think of this essential piece of equipment?

Old 1st December 2002
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Ah yes, now onto the *really* important things in life.

Right before AES show, Cary Fischer (GML alumni who now owns Victorville H-D) showed up at my factory on one of those.

It looks cool and goes fast but it makes this funny whining sound like WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

(I was too timid to ask him if I could ride it.)

My FXLR makes a damn loud racket and I must thank Fletcher for teaching me to wear earplugs.
Old 1st December 2002
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As a life long rider . . . mostly Harleys. (Though I am not a "prejudice" Harley whacko). I wasn't sure what I was going to think of that bike . . until one passed me the other day like I was standing still. I got to say, I liked the silver BLUR that I saw. It was a better looking BLUR then I was prepared to . . not see.

It did sound a bit funny to the ears though. EveAnna . . what the hell do you care what it sounds like if you are wearing plugs?
Old 1st December 2002
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Beign a die hard traditionalist... if I wanted fast, I'd buy Jap. I want a ride that feels like I'm in my momma's arms, the biggest mitigating factor to the speed of anything I ride is the rider. I'll lay my knee into the pavement with the best of them, but it's a damn rare occurance, and not something that I live to do.

Remember, I'm the guy that thinks mandatory helmet laws suck. When you make a conscious decision to not sport a lid, you should also make a conscious decision to not ride like an asshole... it's people who ride like an asshole sans the lid that make the rest of us [i.e. 'the living', the 'non-splotches'] have to deal with **** like lid laws.

When EveAnna and I doubled up in NS [yes, I did a bunch of bitch riding, get it out of your ****ing systems right now... EveAnna's girlfriend did indeed need a ****ing shave], I was struck by a couple of things on the 2000 Heritage Softail (tm). The first being fuel injection. Not that I carried around a selection of jets for my S&S 'Shorty E'... but I got out of wrenching cars because they took too much out of my control, this fuel injection **** it too ****in' tidy for me [that and no petcock... excuse me? I want some reserve fuel, thank you].

I wanna **** with the carburator... I wanna change them like a woman changes her purse to match her ****ing shoes. I wanna **** with the jets, I wanna **** with the mixtures, I wanna **** with the acceleration pumper. I also don't mind playing a little "roadside McGuyver"... which sometimes you have to do when you scooter is held together with gaff tape and bailing wire...

The whole story behind my new ride is that EveAnna and I got back from N.S... I had to do the top of my motor. No options. When I took the top down, I saw that the bottom was going to need some attention in the not too distant future... so I might as well deal with it now [as long as the motor was already out of the bike, it seemed like the intelligent thing to do]... so then, as I was waiting for the lower motor to return, I was thumbing through a catalog and saw a cool looking frame... and seeing as the motor was already out of the bike... I ordered it. So, as long as I was getting a frame with a 4" vertical stretch, a 2 1/2" horizontal stretch and a 5' rake... that could take "fat bob" tanks... I decided that I really wanted to get rid of the rear drum brake and go to a 'juice brake' [hydraulic] for the rear, to go along with dual hydraulic discs in the front [I like stopping as much as going... how 'bout that ****], which meant finding a '79 swingarm because that's the only year that would fit the mounts on the the old style XL frame mounts, and still accomodate a juice brake without having to do a whole lot of welding...

As it is, on my ride [which is still in a couple hundred pieces at the moment, but should be accompanying to the NY AES next year], I just had the cylinders bored, I'm ****ing around with the valve bezels and the cams. I've ****ed with the stroke at the same time we did the lower motor... all this leads to more "power", but it's something I'll rarely [if ever] use... at least when I'm sober. I'm still undecided on whether or not it'll have a bitch seat... it probably will, but most probably something along the lines of a "pee-pad"... I still have to decide on where to weld on the kick stand mount, the oil cooler bracket, whether to mount the ignition coil in front of the front jug, or off to the side....

Damn near every year EveAnna has dropped by the house/shop... I don't think there have ever been two years in a row the bike looked the same... sometimes a 'quick bob' rear fender, sometimes a 'skirt'... sometimes 'buckhorns', sometimes 'ape hangers'... sometimes a stock front end, sometimes 8" over... sometimes mid controls, sometimes forwards, sometimes it goes back again only to change again a month later.

I may check out a 6" over springer on the new ride, and if I don't dig that I'll check out a 'wide glide' front end with 41mm tubes... apes, dragbars, or anything in between... it's all just an afternoon to change it around. To me, a bike, a mix, a song, my kids, they're all a 'work in progress'. Nothing is ever "finished"

The V-ROD is not a 'tinkering' man's machine. To me, the V-ROD is gee, I've got all this money [which is something my wife makes damn good and sure I can never say... I've never had a bike that cost me over $4,500 period... modifications, alterations, etc. all included... yeah, some of the parts may be stolen, but the total capital outlay is always under $5k... not because I don't wanna spend more, but because we "split" on outside gigs... the govt. get's a third, she get's half, and the bike get's what's left over... which means I don't have a whole lot of scooter play money... or I'd have a really cool bike like EveAnna's!!!], and I really want a 'sleek looking machine' that's reliable...

It's great for some folks, I'm just not one of them... to me it's kinda like a Buell... nice ****ing ride, but not for me [we have a Buell at our shop that I borrowed to go to a Dr.'s appointment... nice ****ing bike... except I was in second, about to shift into 3rd, I looked down at the speedometer... I was already doing 70!! A bike like that, I could meet Mr. Death long before I feel like calling to schedule an appointment]. Would I take one if it were given to me? In a New York minute... would I actively persue one? Put down a deposit and wait for one? Maybe for an early 80's FXRS, but not for a VROD... then again, I hate Millennia Media pre-amps and he's on the cover of this month's Tape OP... so what the **** do I know anyway?


On a side note about earplugs... they're great to have. The first time I'd ever worn them was on the N.S. trip with EveAnna when we doubled up on her rented Heritage Softail (tm). It didn't have a windsheild... and the wind currents off the front of the bike were outrageous [the wind kept lifting my lid like the mother****er was trying to strangle me!!!]. If it hadn't been for the earplugs, there would have been no way in hell we could have done 100 mph in a 100 kmph zone without it resulting in serious hearing loss/excrutiating pain. The earplugs were a good thing on those particular days.

I haven't used them since... but then again, I haven't had a steady ride since that trip either............... I still always carry a set in my pocket, even if it's just a car trip to the supermarket for bagels on a Sunday morning [in other words, I gotta go fetch bagels and lox... enough bull**** pre-breakfast says my oldest daughter!!].
Old 1st December 2002
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have you 'got gear'?

as a rider who goes both ways (japanese and harley), i see strengths in both the easy ride (no wrenches needed) of a yamaha, honda, etc, and the tlc that goes into your harley.

i figure that as long as you are not in a cage, you should consider it a good day.

as far as the v-rod goes, it is gorgeous to look at, but that sound does disturb me.
i would have to ride it (next trip to v-ville and i will) to decide if i can get
over that weird noise, and the sticker shock is a real factor.

re: the earplugs, as i ride with eveanna, you should know how much mileage she gets out of her plugs. she has put on some of the loudest pipes i have ever heard. she makes my harley sound like a honda. so, when you ride with her (which you must do), bring those swag earplugs!!
Old 1st December 2002
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Jax
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What about those Jesse James Choppers?

I don't know a damn thing about bikes. Fletcher speaks Greek.
Old 2nd December 2002
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Jesse James is a guy... his company is called West Coast Choppers
Old 2nd December 2002
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Jax
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Yeah, his bikes are good n' evil lookin. He made one for Shaq O'Neal (LA Lakers center) that's supposedly one of the biggest bikes on the planet. I think it was 12' from front wheel to back wheel.

Also, for anyone who doesn't know, Jesse James (whose ancestor is actually Jesse James) works with the Discovery Channel on a show called Monster Garage. His job on the show is to gather a bunch of specialists who take an ordinary vehicle (school bus, mustang, limo) and convert them for uses they were never intended to perform (pontoon boat, 80mph lawnmower, watercannon firefighting limo), all within a week's time. Very cool show.
Old 3rd December 2002
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🎧 15 years
Fletcher on top of all that you forgot to mention that there is NOTHING that sounds like a shovel. Unless of course you have a Pan.

I agree with you about fuel injection and while it would be nice on those cold mornings, there is some thing about the ritual I go through to let the scooter warm up that is part of the deal.

But lets face it, fuel injection is almost like the equivlent of digital vs. analog. Motorcycling is going electronic ignition, fuel injection and more restrictions on emission whether we like it or not. If the EPA doesn't kill motorcycling, the insurance companies will.

I am also not impressed with Jessie James, a lot of his stuff is built for the same guys you were ragging on that buy a V-Rod. I am sure he started out building real choppers but now he has a new special every other month on Discovery Channel. Personally I think Ron Simms or even Roger Bourget build bikes that are just as creative as JJ.

The point about the V-Rod that a lot of people miss is Harley didn't really have a choice. The company is selling most of their bikes to old farts like you and me and if they are to survive they had to develop a product for both a younger and a European market. The V-Rod was never intended for guys like us who grew up riding shovels.

The V-Rod is a cool design and most companies with roots as deep as Harley could never have pulled off such a bike. So I take my hat of to their ability to keep a foot in the past and one in the future. Take a look at the audio industry, there are not many companies that could pull this off.

That would be like EveAnna announcing a new digital console that used tubes that was aimed at the film industry.

Lee
Old 3rd December 2002
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I learned how to ride many years ago and never did it much. My Dad had a 70s Honda that I rode. I haven't ridden in years, so I won't get into the specifics/politics.
I just gotta say THAT BIKE LOOKS ****ING COOL!

yuktyy
Old 3rd December 2002
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Well, to provide some representation from the other camp....

I think HD needed to justify spending the $$ for the mediocre 7 or so years (back) in AMA roadracing. Now they can turn that 'R&D' into product. And even from the perspective of a non-cruiser type, that is a damn fine bike. Looks mean and yet tame/refined. I am all for fuel injection and adjusting fuel curves via software vs. main jets and such....it's cleaner. That's just the pansy in me.

I have not heard the Vrod but based off of the descriptions of the whirrr, I think it might be 'crank-whine' os so popular with some Japanese bikes; particularly Hondas. The first time I remember hearing that was on the then-Honda Hurricanes (600 and 1000). Oh how I loved that sound. To me (at 16) it represented high-tech-super-future-tron-like-stuff. Obviously, not for everybody.

I remember finally getting an '88 GSXR 750 in 91 or so. A popular mod in racing at that time was putting a GSXR 1100 engine in that frame....so that's what I did. BEAST I tell you. First gear power-wheelies a FOUR thousand rpm!...get off the hammer a bit to bring it down and by 8 grand the front is up again when the horsepower curve took over. Just vicious. Got some big 38mm mikuni flat-slides that to me, were a bitch to jet (I just suck at that stuff) but hit hard and smooth. Got some '91 spec inverted forks and brakes and on and on. To me that was my fun tweak-mobile. What Fletcher appreciates with his mount.

Then in '92, I rode a Honda CBR900RR. That ride changed my life. Wickedly smooth. If you pulled in the clutch at 35-ish you would swear the engine died, but there it was humming along at 800 rpm. Ultra light, nimble and very fast. Sure it didnt have the brut force the 7-11 had but it made up for it with it's surgical focus. I liked the idea of not having to tinker or tweak and still have a potent weapon. Got it, sold the 7-11 (wish I coulda kept it) and have been happy since. Though now age has crept in and it looks like a '03 GSXR 1000 is in my future...now with fuel injection!

Different strokes...but that move the world in its cylinder!
Old 3rd December 2002
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Ahhh (rubs hands together) a topic I can sink my teeth into. I'm with Fletcher in regards to the VROD, if I want speed, I'll get a bullet bike and strip it. My '79 FL is not for street racing. However, this doesn't mean I don't like to go fast :D

All of my bikes have been Japanese up until now so I'm not a fanatic either. But, now that I have been riding a Harley, I doubt I'll ever ride anything else, it just feels right.

VROD's are just too damn expensive, body position is all wrong, and too low. If you're gonna have a performance bike, ya need the whole package IMHO. A lot of Harley riders I know really hate the sound, and the water-cooled heresy. Personally, I don't mind it. I think Harley had to evolve (no pun) to stay competitive. I have a problem with the user friendliness of a VROD, or lack thereof. I would rather have a bike I can actually fix on the road, not mop up after if it breaks down

If you want to see some real hardcore bikes that make WCC bikes look like gumdrops on wheels check this: http://www.exilecycles.com/ any color you want, as long as it's black yuktyy

You can check out my ride here;

http://the.rmhparkinglot.com/rmhpark...n?OpenFrameSet

perform a search for "cram," or "bulldog," or click on new entries and scroll down the list.
Old 4th December 2002
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Jax
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spoon, that;s the funniest avatar I've seen in awile. The cat looks ****ing pissed.

Old 4th December 2002
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Jax, Your cat looks just like Hutch's cat.
Old 4th December 2002
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Jax
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Cool I won! Send me the free SLAM! heh
Old 6th December 2002
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I'm a lifetime rider of triumph bikes! still have my 71'bonnie (starts on the first kick!) and just bought a new thunderbird... both great bikes
Old 6th December 2002
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You guys should stop mucking about and get yourself a real bike like we make here in Britain.
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Old 6th December 2002
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Old 6th December 2002
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BevvyB, that would perfect if you were Peewee Herman. heh

If you are a fan of American technology but want the thrill of a high performance superbike check out this new entry into the market.

American Superbike

This might be especially of interest for those Harley fans who were disappointed the Motor Company dropped their racing program.

Lee
Old 6th December 2002
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"BevvyB, that would perfect if you were Peewee Herman. :D

If you are a fan of American technology but want the thrill of a high performance superbike check out this new entry into the market.

American Superbike

This might be especially of interest for those Harley fans who were disappointed the Motor Company dropped their racing program.

Lee"


I wonder what's the Fischer price?

Get it? Fischer Price?.....

I crack myself up sometimes.....whoo hoo....


Ok...gotta lay off the coffee.
Old 6th December 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kamurah

I wonder what's the Fischer price?
That's a good one. Just in time for Christmas too.

Lee

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