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Old 14th April 2016 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Michael Lapke ➡️
we hope to see them arrive in retail locations in the near future.
Hope = predict?
or Hope = nothing is certain, maybe it will never be launched
Old 14th April 2016
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Michael Lapke, Can you comment on the price change at sweetwater?

Seems suspect to me that it's "$300.00" and not "$299.99" if the price actually has gone up.
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Hi all,

Please allow me to clarify a few recent posts here:

The U-PHORIA UMC1820 Audio interfaces have not started arriving at authorized retailers just yet, but we hope to see them arrive in retail locations in the near future.

As for the B&H website claiming the product is discontinued, that is incorrect. This was likely just a mistake so we will be reaching out to B&H and ask them to correct this on their end.

I'll also be sure to post once I get word the U-PHORIA UMC1820 have started to arrive at our authorized retailers.

Let’s keep in touch,

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thanks for the update can you give us the price as it was first listed at 199
Old 14th April 2016 | Show parent
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michael
thanks for the update can you give us the price as it was first listed at 199
I don't think he knows.
He's here to say "soon, hopefully"
Old 15th April 2016 | Show parent
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michael
thanks for the update can you give us the price as it was first listed at 199
Hi Kris,

You're very welcome! While I'm not able to quote you a price here, I can tell you that the price of the our products will vary depending on which authorized retailer you purchase it from. Any of our retailers can provide more information on their pricing of the UMC1820 Audio Interface. Thanks!

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Old 29th April 2016
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I see adat in/out so is it possible to hook two of these together via adat? Or use the adat out to add 8 channels to another interface?
Old 30th April 2016
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Oh, poopy, I didn't even think of that! I was planning on picking up an ADA8000, but that might work!
Old 5th May 2016
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Mine shipped today. Finally! Sweetwater got 20 and all are claimed apparently.
Old 5th May 2016
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Yes it's available in the shops now..
What would be a good and cheap way to get additional tracks on this one?
Old 5th May 2016 | Show parent
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Mine shipped today. Finally! Sweetwater got 20 and all are claimed apparently.
That's correct we did receive a limited quantity of UMC1820's into our North American distributor this week. Because they've been available for pre-order they will sell out fast.

However, I'm told we do have plenty more UMC1820's on the way so please keep your eyes peeled for the next batch of units coming in.

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Yes it's available in the shops now..
What would be a good and cheap way to get additional tracks on this one?
One could easily use the ULTRAGAIN DIGITAL ADA8200 with an ADAT Lightpipe connection to gain an additional 8-Midas Mic Pre's with your UMC1820. This would potentially give you the ability to record 16 Mic Pre's into your DAW (in a compact format) for around $500. (USMAP)



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Old 31st May 2016 | Show parent
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Just ordered a 1820 now, for real (at Thomann.de). So far so good.

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One could easily use the ULTRAGAIN DIGITAL ADA8200 with an ADAT Lightpipe connection to gain an additional 8-Midas Mic Pre's with your UMC1820. This would potentially give you the ability to record 16 Mic Pre's into your DAW (in a compact format) for around $500. (USMAP)
Yes the ADA8200 could be a cheap solution for more tracks. But limited to only 44.1/48kHz (a bummer for some. have not made my mind up wether I need higher khz).
Old 31st May 2016
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Hey slutz. Been running this for a few weeks now and really liking it. I run my modular into the x2442 mixer and then send the direct outs to the 1820. It works great so far. I also use outs one and two for my monitors. No issues. I am very happy so far.

Last edited by sammy123; 12th July 2016 at 02:18 PM.. Reason: typo
Old 7th June 2016 | Show parent
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Michael Lapke, Can you comment on the price change at sweetwater?

Seems suspect to me that it's "$300.00" and not "$299.99" if the price actually has gone up.
Behringer U-PHORIA UMC1820 | Sweetwater.com

It's been changed to $299.99, so it seems a little more likely that the price has indeed gone up. Also, B&H has relisted the item after removing the previous page. It's listed as a Pre-Order with no ship time available and the price is $300.

Behringer U-PHORIA UMC1820 - USB 2.0 Audio/MIDI Interface

Pretty much any other place that has it listed seems to have it for $300. Almost all of them are pre-order, except Full Compass claims it's in stock.

Thanks to OhmIsh's comment, I checked out Thomann.de and was able to snag one before they went out of stock (due back July 22nd). It was supposedly shipped out yesterday, so I guess we'll see in a couple weeks. One nice thing about Thomann was the price: 167 €, which at the time of purchase was around $189! They charge 30 € for international shipping, so the total was about $224. I was hoping to get it for the original price of $199, but I'm fine with $224, since it now seems the price for the US market will be $300.

The only issue I foresaw with the imported unit I'll be getting from Thomann is the external wall-wart power supply. However I was able to find a very cheap power supply on Amazon that has all the right specs (12V out, 2A, center negative), so it should end up being ok. If anyone is interested, I'll posts results here once I can test it.
Old 11th June 2016
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Just a quick follow up to my last post, if anyone is interested.

I received the UMC1820 in the mail yesterday via US postal service and I was really surprised it got here that quickly. This was my first purchase from Thomann and it seems to be a great company. My order was fulfilled and shipped really quickly and I can't believe it got here in just 5 days. They were quick to respond to my question regarding the power supply and they provided shipment tracking updates via email.

The unit is incredibly small (shallow) for everything it can do. My Scarlett 18i20 is at least twice as deep. I also own the ADA8200 and the build quality on this feels and looks superior to me. The ADA8200 is definitely a step up from older units (I have an old rack mount mixer and headphone amp), but similar to them in style. The UMC1820 has a really nice matte finish for the main chassis with rounded edges and the rack ears seem much thicker and more durable. The inputs, knobs and buttons are also rock solid. Sometimes knobs can feel really cheap, with a little wiggle room and pots that turn too easily, but these knobs are very smooth and solidly in place.

The external power supply it came with was a standard 2 part brick and cable power supply, not a wall-wart like I was expecting, but this is much better.





It came with a 2-pin European plug, but it looks like you could plug in a standard non polarized US power cord to the brick. The specs on the power supply are 100-240V~ input, 50/60Hz 600mA Max, so I believe it should work fine. However I had already purchased a wall-wart power supply from Amazon for just $12 (with tax), so it was worth the extra cost. With free shipping from Amazon, that brings the total for the unit up to $236, which isn't bad. For what it's worth, I contacted Behringer (Music Group) about getting a replacement power supply and they replied very quickly with a quote. Unfortunately, it was over $50, so I didn't think it was worth it. The power supply just needed to be 12V 2A output with a 5.5x2.5mm plug.

I haven't had much time to experiment yet, but the UMC Audio Control panel is a little disappointing. I couldn't find any images, video or documentation about it anywhere online, so I may do a quick review video of the UMC 1820 including the software/drivers side. I opened an existing reaper project designed for drum recording with 14 channels for the drums and a ton of plugins to see how this would handle it and unfortunately, I had to crank the buffer size quite a bit to be totally free of pops/clicks. By "quite a bit" I mean I needed a buffer size of 2048! Certainly not ideal, but we'll see how more tests go. Here is a composite image of the UMC Audio Control software including all tabs and pop up windows.



On the Status tab, you can't change anything, it just shows you the connected device and the Current Sample Rate. It appears that there is no way to manually adjust the sample rate setting. When changing the sample rate in Reaper, the UMC 1820 automatically switched. While the automatic switching is nice, not being able to set a default is a little weird to me. Under the Clock Source tab, the Optical In ADAT/SMUX option only appears if the button on the front for OPT I/O is pushed in (selecting ADAT). I haven't tried hooking up ADAT or SPDIF yet. The Buffer Settings tab lets you choose USB Streaming mode from Minimum Latency to "Extra Safe" and the ASIO Buffer size from the usual 64 up to 8192 (with an additional Auto setting). The Volume tab give you access to separate Input and Output pop-up windows with volume, mute and link controls for all channels. The ADAT are, of course, only present if that front switch is pushed in enabling ADAT. Finally, there's the Info tab that shows the Device info and the Driver info.

If anyone has any questions about it, let me know and I'll see if I can answer them. It's nice to finally get my hands on this thing! I'd been waiting for it for a while, but not as long as others on here. I just discovered it late last year around December. I'm glad to see it finally released!

p.s. Supposedly, it's now in stock at Sweetwater.

Last edited by taoubt; 21st June 2016 at 07:15 AM.. Reason: adding embedded images
Old 16th June 2016
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I'm thinking about using one of these to interface a Eurorack modular. Signal levels are pretty hot on euro so the input headroom is a factor... if I can keep from having to have a bunch of input attenuators in front of the interface I would be happy.

So, anybody who has actually received one of these units: what's the maximum signal level before analog or digital clipping? The manual lists it as +18 dbu (5.6v) when in "Instrument" mode, but it's not clear if that's with the channel pad or without, and not clear if that's max level or max peak-to-peak.

In fact the manual doesn't state what the attenuation of the pad is. Can someone with a scope or RMS meter measure it?
Old 17th June 2016
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I'm thinking about using one of these to interface a Eurorack modular. Signal levels are pretty hot on euro so the input headroom is a factor... if I can keep from having to have a bunch of input attenuators in front of the interface I would be happy.

So, anybody who has actually received one of these units: what's the maximum signal level before analog or digital clipping? The manual lists it as +18 dbu (5.6v) when in "Instrument" mode, but it's not clear if that's with the channel pad or without, and not clear if that's max level or max peak-to-peak.

In fact the manual doesn't state what the attenuation of the pad is. Can someone with a scope or RMS meter measure it?

I'm not sure I can accurately measure the max signal level before clipping, but I don't imagine you'll need attenuators, just based on my (limited) experience thus far. The pad looks like it attenuates around -15dB. I just did a test of a reliable sound source recorded with and without the pad several times and the average difference between them was about -15dB (maybe slightly more, like -15.5dB).

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Originally Posted by Bootyhole ➡️
Oh, poopy, I didn't even think of that! I was planning on picking up an ADA8000, but that might work!
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I see adat in/out so is it possible to hook two of these together via adat? Or use the adat out to add 8 channels to another interface?
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Originally Posted by mathiasmental ➡️
Anybody knows why this is half the price of the ada8200? Could I use this instead of a ada8200 with the same results? I think they are the same Midas pres... Thanks!
I know some of these posts are really old at this point, but it was mentioned several times and even though TMetzinger said it before, I'd just like to confirm that you cannot link two of these units together. While I only have one to test with, I also have a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 with ADAT and I've been testing it. There is no mixing software allowing you to route the input and outputs. As far as I can tell, the ADAT out is only operational in USB mode as available outputs from a DAW. I thought maybe they would pass the ADAT input to the ADAT output, but I wasn't able to get that result.

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Will there be an internal mixer that allows direct monitoring for all channels?
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Can this operate as standalone?
These two questions seemed kind of related and I already covered the ADAT portion. I haven't tested the SPDIF, but I'd be amazed if there was any output from the SPDIF in stand-alone mode. The individual outputs are not active in stand-alone, only the Main outs (1-2) and the headphone outputs.

As previously mentioned, the UMC Audio Control Panel software is really limited and offers no mixer functionality.

One other thing I'd like to add is that the unit seems to get pretty hot on the bottom side where the AC input plug is. I'd be a little nervous about putting it in a rack with no breathing room and leaving it on for long periods of time.

All that being said, coupling the UMC1820 with the ADA8200 has got to be the best bang for your buck. The two of them together was about the same price as my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 (I got it for around $425). While the Focusrite mixer software is great, I think the Behringer UMC 1820 and the ADA8200 together are way more worth it.
Old 22nd June 2016
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Ignoring price, is there any reason to prefer this over the XR18 Air. The preamps are probably the same, inputs similar and the mixer seems to offer much more capability than the 1820. Is there any reason using a mixer is worse? UI? Bitrates? Thanks.
Old 22nd June 2016
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U phoria vs XR19. I have only read specifications, never touched any of the two devices. Uphoria 1820 goes to 96kHz and has ADAT I/O, S/PDIF I/O and XR has none of those. XR has wifi, lots of onboard effects, ultranet port. I think it has max sample rate of 24bit at 48kHz (from memory).
Old 23rd June 2016
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how does the monitoring work? can you create 4 independent mixes combinig daw channels and direct monitoring of inputs being recorded, and send these mixes to different outputs?
Old 23rd June 2016 | Show parent
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how does the monitoring work? can you create 4 independent mixes combinig daw channels and direct monitoring of inputs being recorded, and send these mixes to different outputs?
The monitoring section on the front of the interface gives you these options:

IN 1-2 or IN 1-8 button, selects direct analog sources 1-2 or 1-8 for monitoring.

STEREO/MONO selects stereo or mono monitoring. In stereo mode, the channels are paired and hard panned left and right, for example 1(L) 2(R), 3(L) 4 (R), etc.

MONITORING knob adjusts the mix between the direct inputs and computer playback. All the way left is IN (direct inputs with 0ms latency) and all the way right is PB 1-2 (only playback from the computer).

There's a knob for the MAIN OUT level along with DIM and MUTE buttons. The Main Out output jacks are on the back and what gets routed to them is determined by the Monitoring section. So, you can have either channels 1-2 or 1-8 in either stereo or mono mode and you can blend between direct monitoring and computer playback monitoring.

Then you have the headphone sections. Both headphone outputs A and B have the same controls, a volume knob and a switch for 1-2 or 3-4. 1-2 lets you listen to the stereo MIX signal channels from the 1-2 monitoring section. So, whatever you set up there is what you'll hear if you select 1-2. 3-4 lets you listen to the playback signal from the computer output channels 3-4, so there's no direct monitoring for option 3-4 in the headphone outputs.

LINE OUT 3-10 on the back of the unit are balanced ¼" TRS outputs for additional monitoring and recording with the output signals coming directly from the computer after being converted to analog by the UMC1820. The output levels are only controlled by the DAW.

So, to answer your question, you cannot create 4 independent mixes combining DAW channels and direct monitoring of inputs and route them to different outputs. The UMC Audio Control Panel doesn't give you any mixing abilities at all and outputs 3-10 provide signal only from your computer. All mixing and routing would have to be done with your DAW or other software.
Old 23rd June 2016 | Show parent
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So, to answer your question, you cannot create 4 independent mixes combining DAW channels and direct monitoring of inputs and route them to different outputs. The UMC Audio Control Panel doesn't give you any mixing abilities at all and outputs 3-10 provide signal only from your computer. All mixing and routing would have to be done with your DAW or other software.
Thanks, that's good to know. Then, is it possible to have a low enough buffer size (32 or 64 samples) while tracking 8 sources in order to create your headphone mixes in the DAW (without plugins)?
Old 25th June 2016 | Show parent
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Thanks, that's good to know. Then, is it possible to have a low enough buffer size (32 or 64 samples) while tracking 8 sources in order to create your headphone mixes in the DAW (without plugins)?
I don't think it goes below 64 samples. There's the "auto" mode, but that seemed to always be at 64 samples on my system.

Without using any plugins in Reaper, though, I didn't seem to have any issues recording 16 tracks at 64 samples. Once I started enabling effects, though, I definitely ran into bad glitching and stutters. I had pretty good luck using ASIO4ALL at slightly lower latencies (down to 256) with a some plugins. The UMC Audio driver was a little more glitchy at 256. The one thing about ASIO4ALL is that when it starts to fail, it stutters and is very choppy, whereas the UMC audio driver will just sort of break up and get glitchy with pops and clicks.

My system is a little older, but still decent. PC with Win10 Pro, Intel Core i7 (12 CPUs, ~3.3 GHz), 24GB RAM, SSD OS drive.
Old 25th June 2016
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The umc doesn't provide its own ASIO drivers?
Old 26th June 2016 | Show parent
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The umc doesn't provide its own ASIO drivers?
It does, sorry if I didn't make that clear. When you install the UMC Audio Control Panel, it installs UMC ASIO drivers. I was just testing out ASIO4ALL to use the UMC 1820 along with my Focusrite 18i20 for testing purposes. I found that ASIO4ALL seemed to handle more plugins slightly better than the UCM ASIO driver, but it wasn't a huge difference, honestly.
Old 8th July 2016
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I'm really thinking about getting one of these and an ADA8200.

Can the UMC1820 monitor the ADAT inputs in real time (Direct monitoring)?
Old 9th July 2016 | Show parent
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Can the UMC1820 monitor the ADAT inputs in real time (Direct monitoring)?
No, it can't - only the internal analog inputs.
I tested it, and the Adat I/Os are indeed only usable with a Host (PC, Mac, Ipad..), not standalone.

btw. the UMC1820 seems to work great with Auria Pro.
Old 12th July 2016 | Show parent
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Mine broke after a week.
With a new unit it's a couple of days without any problem.
Finger crossed, it's a hand-to-mounth existence!
Old 14th July 2016 | Show parent
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I just got the unit this afternoon. I had to retire my digi 002R, it became unresponsive. I have a MOTU 828, which does work but no MIDI and after Windows 10, my Firewire got screwed up, I can only use it with an old mac mini. I needed a USB unit with multiple inputs and MIDI. I love hardware monitoring I do not like to deal with the software solutions. The unit sounds great sonically, I'm impressed. I get to work it with its original drivers at 128 buffers (64 stutters), so it's usable for vsti's. Tomorrow, we're going to track multitrack and I'll find out about the preamps. I like, that it has 2 headphone outs. So far, me likey
Old 20th July 2016
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Would love to hear more... I dont really understand whats possible here... yes i know... my brain!
The virtual mixer (as shown in the picture earlier in this thread), will allow me to control the volume/pan of the inputs with no latency? And only one zero latency mix is poosible (i mean, coming out of one stereo output), so no different sends for different musicians. Only one. Right?

Thanks!
Old 21st July 2016
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there is no virtual mixer. The only source you can use for monitoring without any latency is the mix of the 8 analog inputs - with their actual recording levels. A bit limited, but very simple (and easy to handle).
Of course it is possible to send different mixed to the outputs from the DAW, but not latency-free.

I like the straightforward concept of this interface. Of course it would have been nice to have the chance to send the SPDIF or ADAT inputs to the outputs - but this is a really inexpensive device with a lot of connectivity.
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