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Old 28th January 2013 | Show parent
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Sounds like a number of people would love it if Korg re-released the MS-50.
Not if its an MS-50 mini
Old 28th January 2013
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From Korg's site:



Kills it for me. I'm spoiled. Velocity and aftertouch have become such a part of how I play that I won't buy a modern synth that doesn't include it. Yeah, I know this is a "reissue" of sorts, but do we have to rehash the past perfectly? Don't we remember it wasn't all that rosy? I understand why they had limitations like this back in the day, but it's 2013 and, IMO, time to mine the past for what was good, but move past the silly limitations. Why put a USB jack on this thing and not give some simple velocity and aftertouch control?
The exclusion of velocity surprises me as well. Might as well just have left MIDI out altogether.

Maybe this can be added latter. One can only hope.....

I'll get it anyway. Already paid a deposit for one.
Old 29th January 2013 | Show parent
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glad they left out velocity. obv you havent played with too many vintage analog synths?
Old 29th January 2013
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glad they left out velocity. obv you havent played with too many vintage analog synths?
I think zerocrossing made a really good argument about the lack of velocity. I tend to agree with him.
Not having velocity was a pain back then, there is no reason not to have it as an option. You can always turn it off.
My thoughts are, if you want the exact thing, get an original!
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I think zerocrossing made a really good argument about the lack of velocity. I tend to agree with him.
Not having velocity was a pain back then, there is no reason not to have it as an option. You can always turn it off.
My thoughts are, if you want the exact thing, get an original!
Yes , but it is semi modular meaning you can do loads of cool things, you can control the filter with an external CV to have the filter changing exactly how you want it to with the right equipment like another synth or sequencer with CV out.
I bet you can find a device that can transform MIDI velocity to a CV signal.
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they're re-releasing an old synth with little to no changes (so they say). I would think the R&D budget was a tiny fraction of the marketing research they did.
Korg seems to have taken a seat of the pants approach to approving many products recently. Someone with a vision seems to be making decisions, as opposed to the standard operating procedure of much of the Japananese hardware corporations. For example, there was probably no marketing research that told them to make a Monotribe that was 3rd-party MIDIable (and if there was that kind of customer contact would have leaked out by now).

It's in Korg's best interests to downplay changes to the design but there were many, from the case to the cables to implementation of USB and MIDI to acknowledging that "when it was necessary to substitute a part, these engineers made the decisions based on careful listening, in order to reproduce the original sound faithfully." Not nearly as much work needed as with a new synth from scratch, but the R&D had to not only accommodate changes to the internal hardware but design a new case and keyboard.
Old 29th January 2013 | Show parent
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I bet you can find a device that can transform MIDI velocity to a CV signal.
The minibrute will do this.
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Yes , but it is semi modular meaning you can do loads of cool things, you can control the filter with an external CV to have the filter changing exactly how you want it to with the right equipment like another synth or sequencer with CV out.
I bet you can find a device that can transform MIDI velocity to a CV signal.
Not sure how that really has anything to do with what I posted.
You can do what you are describing with LOTS of synths, old and new.
Old 29th January 2013 | Show parent
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Not sure how that really has anything to do with what I posted.
You can do what you are describing with LOTS of synths, old and new.
Yeah all you need to do is look for a synth with Midi and CV out.

You could use this too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WJfS0aQ9G1g
Old 29th January 2013 | Show parent
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MS-20 CV control, no brainer.

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I don't think it has CV-in , only CV-out.

I'm sure they'll probably release later an "expanded" version with more bells and whistles , with patch saving and all , but it will be more expensive.
I think this one is aimed at competing directly with the Minibrute at this price point.
The MS-20 Mini does have CV entry and exit points. The specs give the exact Voltages but Pitch is 1v\OCT in and out, and the filter range is -5/+5 at a glance. As a matter of fact, you'll find that MOST of the patch points will be compatible with your monster Modular....

BTW, Pre-ordered from AmericanMusical.com http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-KOR-MS20MINI with the 5 pmt plan, $119 a month.

Here's the CV info from KORG:

Keyboard:

Keyboard control voltage output (Exponential) (0 - +8V)
Keyboard trigger output (+5V-->GND)
VCO-1 + VCO-2 control voltage input (Linear response)(0 - +8V)
VCO-2 control voltage input (Linear response) (0 - +8V)


VCO:

VCO-1 + VCO-2 external frequency control input (OCT/V) (-5V - +5V)


VCF:

External signal input (3Vp-p max.)
External High pass filter cutoff frequency control input (2OCT/V) (-5V - +5V)
External Low pass filter cutoff frequency control input (2OCT/V) (-5V - +5V)


VCO + VCF:

Total external modulation input (T.EXT)(-5V - +5V)


VCA:

External initial gain control input (0 - +5V)


EG:

EG 1 envelope signal normal output (-5V - 0V)
EG 1 envelope signal reverse output (+5V - 0V)
EG 1 + EG 2 trigger input (-->GND)
EG 1 trigger input (-->GND)
EG 2 envelope signal reverse output (+5V - 0V)


MG:

Triangle output (Positive Sawtooth - Triangle - Negative Sawtooth) (5Vp-p)
Rectangle output (Wide Pulse - Square - Narrow Pulse)(0 - +5V)


Noise Generator:

Pink noise output (5Vp-p)
White noise output (5Vp-p)


Sample and Hold:

Clock trigger input (-->GND)
Sample signal input (5Vp-p max.)
S/H output (5Vp-p max.)


Modulation VCA:

Control voltage input (0 - +5V)
Signal input (-5V - +5V)
Signal output (-5V - +5V)


Manual controller:

Control wheel output (-5V<--0V-->+5V)
Momentary switch output (-->GND)

Erik

Last edited by rikkrokker; 29th January 2013 at 10:29 PM.. Reason: Added info
Old 29th January 2013 | Show parent
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Digitally Stabilized OSC's

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I can´t figure out why they stabilize osc´s and makes it "less noisy"..It´s these "flaws" that makes old synth´s stand out from the VA stuff IMO. Embrace imperfection.
I understand the Digitally Stabilized OSC's, I'm guessing it's essentially a combination of tuner and Thermo-resistor, regulating the pitch based on heat fluctuations. I'm all for it, but I'm guessing there are those that prefer their VCO's to detune to add character. Either way VCO will have some tune drift, as even digitally it can't be instantaneous correction. So effectively the Mini will drift 'less' than the MS-20 OG..

I'm putting my neck out and also guessing that the Moog stuff and MiniBrute employ a similar circuit as well....Well, maybe not the Phatty, that bitch (I mean Pitch) can vary widely depending on the weather...

Erik
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Yeah all you need to do is look for a synth with Midi and CV out.

You could use this too:
Akai Pro MAX49: Overview - YouTube

Might I suggest a look at Synthesizers.com ? I love my beast, hands down the best sounding synth I own. 'Entry Level system' package quickly becomes a room filler if you are a sound junkie like me...


Ok, that was unnecessary gear porn there.

Erik

Last edited by Grahamdwc; 9th February 2013 at 10:21 PM.. Reason: image too big
Old 31st January 2013
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This is a line level recording of the MS-20 MINI. :-)


Old 31st January 2013
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Sweet, all these people hating on it... Maybe the waiting line won't be long I can get more than 1.
Old 31st January 2013
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Thanks for the demo matia. It sounds very nice and vco-ish to these ears. Quite a sweet analog synth.
Old 31st January 2013
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This is a line level recording of the MS-20 MINI. :-)


Thanks for this. Sounds nice

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Old 31st January 2013
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Sweet, all these people hating on it... Maybe the waiting line won't be long I can get more than 1.
If I hadn't bought an ms10 I'd be all over it - GS is not indicative of the wider market, these will sell like hot cakes. A mate who has patiently waited for the mini brute to arrive is cancelling his order to get one of these - in fact i may just get one anyway

Sent from my GT-P5110
Old 3rd February 2013 | Show parent
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Might I suggest a look at Synthesizers.com ? I love my beast, hands down the best sounding synth I own. 'Entry Level system' package quickly becomes a room filler if you are a sound junkie like me...

http://www.crntalk.com/podcast/Erik/Studio.jpg

Ok, that was unnecessary gear porn there.

Erik
gear porn fine, when it relates to the topic, and is the size of that pic really necessary?
Old 3rd February 2013
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Korg = fun

At the price point more people will get to experience what a true analog
core sound engine is. something not completely predictable when you turn a knob on it. That's the charm of analog you like it are you don't.

If you like the massive amount of option's digital heavy synthesis's provides then buy that Dave Smith Profit 12, cha ching.
A dirty little engineering secrete is digital options are very cheap to implement these cheap chip day's so I suppose theirs going to be a lot of folk's talking the superiority of such again.

I find it amazing Korg could implement such a full featured synth at this price point.

Their little mono tribe has been growing on me the more I play with it
especially after the midi kit, it sit's in great with my Voyager XL believe it are not. Korg is really on the ball in my opinion and this is just another stellar example.
Old 8th February 2013
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Here's a video that shows a bit more of the tweakability than just "here's how we use the Kaossilator to play the synth".

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I wonder if dubstep's true gift to the world will actually be a resurgence of analog monosynths
Old 8th February 2013
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it sounds ok, but kind of old sounding, I can't really see what the fuss is about, the 2 exciting synths this year are the subphatty and prophet 12, moving things FORWARD...
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it sounds ok, but kind of old sounding, I can't really see what the fuss is about, the 2 exciting synths this year are the subphatty and prophet 12, moving things FORWARD...

Hahaha!

You're either making a funny, or you clearly don't understand what, and why this synth is.

or
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I wonder if dubstep's true gift to the world will actually be a resurgence of analog monosynths
People across many different genres have been asking for this for a loooooooooooooooooonnggg time.
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it sounds ok, but kind of old sounding, I can't really see what the fuss is about, the 2 exciting synths this year are the subphatty and prophet 12, moving things FORWARD...
The semi modular aspect of this synth opens up many sounds that you don't seem to be aware of. If you learn more about modular synthesis, you will understand how it can take you into unusual territories.
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People across many different genres have been asking for this for a loooooooooooooooooonnggg time.
I think what was meant is that manufacturers like Korg are aiming to capitalise on current trends you know "what the kids are into" type thing.
Of course many genres have been asking for it, but the commercial and money making appeal of Dubstep may have helped this to actually become viable finacially and commercially for the manufacturers.
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I think what was meant is that manufacturers like Korg are aiming to capitalise on current trends you know "what the kids are into" type thing.
Of course many genres have been asking for it, but the commercial and money making appeal of Dubstep may have helped this to actually become viable finacially and commercially for the manufacturers.
Would that explain the 'dub step' setting on the novation mini nova? Lol
Old 9th February 2013
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Following trend$ is nothing new.

Old 10th February 2013
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Pre-Ordered......
Old 11th February 2013
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alright then I'll get one! But after I've got Subphatty!!
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