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Old 28th July 2020 | Show parent
  #121
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As a PSA - I've been using Reaper all day today, and didn't have any crashes until I opened a second tab on a pretty busy project.

I had done this a couple of times yesterday (updating templates to add PSC in to them) so I think that is what was causing the crashes.

so I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with PSC - whew!

I'll email support too.
Old 7th August 2020 | Show parent
  #122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Korneff Audio ➡️
Hey there,

In the manual for the PSC there are some descriptions of what the various swappable components do, but the aural effects are hard to predict because a lot of how things will sound is dependent on the signal itself, the amount of gain through the plugin, etc.
Thanks! This has been very useful. This perspective helped a lot.
Not only because of the suggestions about the settings, but also to set the expectation correctly in term of some level of unpredictability, which was making me second guess what I thought I understood.
Old 7th August 2020 | Show parent
  #123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rik0 ➡️
Thanks! This has been very useful. This perspective helped a lot.
Not only because of the suggestions about the settings, but also to set the expectation correctly in term of some level of unpredictability, which was making me second guess what I thought I understood.
Hey there,

Glad this was helpful to you.

We live in a time now where we have tremendous control over things. We can edit just about anything on a recording, and do it really easily. But if one looks at the history of audio recording, it quickly becomes apparent that so many ground breaking and memorable moments on records we love are from moments of UN control. From an accident, or a mistake. From something unpredictable. Led Zeppelin accidentally inventing pre-verb on Whole Lotta Love, Nancy Wilson’s voice cracking on a high note. Virtually everything by the Beatles. Cool recordings are from experimentation and happy accidents as much as they’re from good technique and gear.

I think the big difference between digital and analog is that lack of control. And that lack is missing in a lot of modern recording. Dan designs our plugins with that in mind. That there are some things that might happen that will put you into a new situation, that you’ll have to deal with, and that will bring out your creativity in that moment. It is not random, but it can be unpredictable. And it’s really a good thing if you embrace it. And you seem to be doing exactly that, and that is a good thing, too.

Thanks for supporting us - your comments are always read and appreciated.

Warm regards,
Luke
Old 9th August 2020
  #124
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@ Korneff Audio ... any ETA on the over sampling update?
Old 9th August 2020 | Show parent
  #125
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Quote:
Originally Posted by javahut ➡️
any ETA on the over sampling update?
I'm on it... but also updating a few other things along the way.
Old 9th August 2020 | Show parent
  #126
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Any new stuff coming soon?
Old 10th August 2020 | Show parent
  #127
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deff J ➡️
Any new stuff coming soon?
yup!
Old 10th August 2020 | Show parent
  #128
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Originally Posted by Dan Korneff ➡️
yup!
Let the record show that the witness is hostile

So let's rephrase the question:

Anything new stuff coming up that you can share details with us???
Old 10th August 2020
  #129
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I'd like to try this but no machine iLok is a no-go for me (I don't own a dongle & my studio computer isn't always online). I see that you give very generous education discounts but I think the very restrictive copy protection is going to turn off a lot of that market.
Old 10th August 2020 | Show parent
  #130
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dubguy99 ➡️
I'd like to try this but no machine iLok is a no-go for me (I don't own a dongle & my studio computer isn't always online). I see that you give very generous education discounts but I think the very restrictive copy protection is going to turn off a lot of that market.
Hi Hi,

We hate copy protection as much as anyone, and we would LOVE to be able to offer you a solution so that you could use our plugins, but we do have to protect our investment of time and resources that we’ve put into the making of our software. Regarding the EDU discount - we try to be as generous as possible, but generosity without limits isn’t sustainable as a business model. We’ve picked a copy protection solution that works for us and the majority of our customers. We are sorry it doesn’t work for you.

Regards,
Luke
Old 31st October 2020 | Show parent
  #131
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I SO did not need another compressor and originally ignored this when it was released. I eventually ended up buying it "against my will" after demoing it a few months ago.

It's quickly become my main "go to" compressor for instruments and vocals. The "honeymoon" period is over and it still sounds great to me. I won't claim to understand all its nuances on the advanced page - but I start with presets and just start tweaking til I like it. Usually it doesn't take long.

And it's a fun, responsive company/developer with a super attitude -- and lots of useful info and advice -- on top of it.

Don't know if they're planning a BF sale, and even if they don't -- IMO it's definitely worth checking out. Definitely one of my more satisfying -- and surprising -- plugin purchases of the past year.

Keep up the good work, Dan and Luke.
Old 27th November 2020 | Show parent
  #132
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Hey there,

I’m sorry I didn’t see this earlier and give you a thank you for writing us such a nice post. Thanks for this, very much, and we’re glad you love your PSC.

Yes, there is a Black Friday sale, AND there is a new plugin, the AIP, which is AMAZING. Check it out!

And thank you for being on our crew!

Regards,
Luke
Old 8th December 2020 | Show parent
  #133
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Very cool compressor! Please consider adding a dual-mono mode in the future.
Old 19th December 2020 | Show parent
  #134
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wagz ➡️
Very cool compressor! Please consider adding a dual-mono mode in the future.
Hey there,

Would duel mono be useful to you, or perhaps Mid Side might be Bette for your application?

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 19th December 2020 | Show parent
  #135
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Originally Posted by Korneff Audio ➡️
Hey there,

Would duel mono be useful to you, or perhaps Mid Side might be Bette for your application?

Luke
Korneff Audio
Hi, Luke! Dual mono would be useful to me, as I want to be able to put PSC 2 on the drum and guitar busses and do the whole CLA and Brauer thing. I don't want my left tom tom to cause the whole drum bus to compress, for instance.

But, now that you mention it, Md Side would be awesome for other things. So, maybe it would be best to have a switch to toggle Stereo, Dual Mono, and Mid Side.

Sorry for being greedy...
Old 20th December 2020 | Show parent
  #136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wagz ➡️
Hi, Luke! Dual mono would be useful to me, as I want to be able to put PSC 2 on the drum and guitar busses and do the whole CLA and Brauer thing. I don't want my left tom tom to cause the whole drum bus to compress, for instance.

But, now that you mention it, Md Side would be awesome for other things. So, maybe it would be best to have a switch to toggle Stereo, Dual Mono, and Mid Side.

Sorry for being greedy...
Hey there,

Not greedy at all. All really good suggestions with good reasoning behind them.

Thanks for this.

L
Old 26th February 2021
  #137
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I like the sound of this one and the GUI is so very much fun!
You guys are still.happy?
Old 4th March 2021
  #138
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Is it normal that there is no internal sidechain filter in Pawn shop and AIP compressors, is there something I misunderstood in the use?
Old 7th March 2021 | Show parent
  #139
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Originally Posted by PierreJoseff ➡️
Is it normal that there is no internal sidechain filter in Pawn shop and AIP compressors, is there something I misunderstood in the use?
Hey there,

Nope, no internal side chain filters in these guys yet. We do have upgrades soon, but we are still playing around with the side chain as a feature.

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 7th March 2021 | Show parent
  #140
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Hi,

thank's for the reply, i love your work
Old 9th March 2021 | Show parent
  #141
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Well gosh, thank you so much! We love making our plugins for you all, and helping you get where you want to go with your music.

What are you using the PSC for, such that a side chain filter would make a positive difference for you?

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 9th March 2021 | Show parent
  #142
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Originally Posted by Korneff Audio ➡️
Well gosh, thank you so much! We love making our plugins for you all, and helping you get where you want to go with your music.

What are you using the PSC for, such that a side chain filter would make a positive difference for you?

Luke
Korneff Audio
hi !

The positive difference would be for the buses!
It would be to use the compressor on my drums bus, my melodics bus and / or my master bus.
For example on my drums bus I'm currently using the ssl buscomp with the sidechain at 185Hz so that it doesn't pump because of the kick/bass duo.
In my trap/modern pop style of music, my bass are often 808 and I tend to group them in the bus drums. I wanted to replace it by the pawn shop, and maybe even by the AIP, I started to try it on buses and aux, it's awesome!.
Old 9th March 2021 | Show parent
  #143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PierreJoseff ➡️
hi !

The positive difference would be for the buses!
It would be to use the compressor on my drums bus, my melodics bus and / or my master bus.
For example on my drums bus I'm currently using the ssl buscomp with the sidechain at 185Hz so that it doesn't pump because of the kick/bass duo.
In my trap/modern pop style of music, my bass are often 808 and I tend to group them in the bus drums. I wanted to replace it by the pawn shop, and maybe even by the AIP, I started to try it on buses and aux, it's awesome!.
I'm a PSC/Korneff obsessive, and I use PSC for making bangers as well. My suggestion is to use a band splitting plugin OR, another technique for something like 808s is have two busses. One runs your 808s and kick, and the other runs the rest of your kit. On the other, put PSC. On the 808 and kick bus, put something that has a sidechain filter. THEN route those two to another bus, and put your limiter there to glue the whole thing together.
Old 10th March 2021 | Show parent
  #144
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocolateHawkins ➡️
I'm a PSC/Korneff obsessive, and I use PSC for making bangers as well. My suggestion is to use a band splitting plugin OR, another technique for something like 808s is have two busses. One runs your 808s and kick, and the other runs the rest of your kit. On the other, put PSC. On the 808 and kick bus, put something that has a sidechain filter. THEN route those two to another bus, and put your limiter there to glue the whole thing together.
Hey all,

Thanks for this feedback. This gets me thinking about the way I get around an issue like this.

First of all, the pumping of a compressor because of a huge kick is not something I want to get entirely rid of. When the whole mix is riding up and down on one element, it tends to tighten up the whole mix and give it a rhythmic cohesion. I think this is one of the sources of “glue” that we always talk about. In fact, I used to deliberately go for this sort of thing, but this was when I was working with 100% human bands, and regardless of how tight they played, it was never as tight as a computer. Definitely using a compressor to lock things together is less needed when things are quantized.

When I’m using the PSC across the bus I tend to hit it too hard so it does pump a bit, and then back it down using DRY/WET (Output Mix) until I lose the more obvious pumping effect and maintain the rhythmic quality that makes the mix gel.

Splitting bands is another thing we are looking into. I like shorter release times on the low end typically, and things longer on the upper mids - again, back to my rock days and not digging the sound of pumping cymbals but liking the sort of low end mess that happens when releases are too short.

And then, of course, we could finish development of our bus compressor, which is a whole other conversation.

It never ends.

Thank you guys for the feedback and the ideas - we always love hearing your ideas.

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 10th March 2021 | Show parent
  #145
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Originally Posted by Korneff Audio ➡️
Hey all,

Thanks for this feedback. This gets me thinking about the way I get around an issue like this.

First of all, the pumping of a compressor because of a huge kick is not something I want to get entirely rid of. When the whole mix is riding up and down on one element, it tends to tighten up the whole mix and give it a rhythmic cohesion. I think this is one of the sources of “glue” that we always talk about. In fact, I used to deliberately go for this sort of thing, but this was when I was working with 100% human bands, and regardless of how tight they played, it was never as tight as a computer. Definitely using a compressor to lock things together is less needed when things are quantized.

When I’m using the PSC across the bus I tend to hit it too hard so it does pump a bit, and then back it down using DRY/WET (Output Mix) until I lose the more obvious pumping effect and maintain the rhythmic quality that makes the mix gel.

Splitting bands is another thing we are looking into. I like shorter release times on the low end typically, and things longer on the upper mids - again, back to my rock days and not digging the sound of pumping cymbals but liking the sort of low end mess that happens when releases are too short.

And then, of course, we could finish development of our bus compressor, which is a whole other conversation.

It never ends.

Thank you guys for the feedback and the ideas - we always love hearing your ideas.

Luke
Korneff Audio
That's awesome, Luke! You've got me itching for your bus comp already.

In addition to what I said previously, I don't always run a 2-bus system. When I'm mixing rock for clients (or most other genres where the kick isn't a *MAIN* element really) PSC works as the sole compressor on the top drum bus. I like the way it pumps in instances like that, so please don't change that. Nothing beats that vibe when you hit the prefect attack and release times and the drums hit that perfect rhythmic glue.

I think the other poster's desire for a side chain filter makes sense too. It wouldn't change any of the functionality or features. It would just make an already super versatile compressor that much more versatile.
Old 13th March 2021 | Show parent
  #146
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The second thing you say is what I'm already doing and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that with the sidechain filter I would have more freedom as to where the compressor is placed.

The first technique I hadn't thought of and it's a good idea, thank you, I'm with Bitwig and I can do that easily.
Old 15th March 2021 | Show parent
  #147
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocolateHawkins ➡️
I think the other poster's desire for a side chain filter makes sense too. It wouldn't change any of the functionality or features. It would just make an already super versatile compressor that much more versatile.
Hey there,

There is no doubt that a sidechain filter would make the PSC already more versatile than it already is, and we are definitely looking into it. Programmatically, it is actually more work than one might think, and we’re concentrating on a few new plugins right now, along with some performance and bug fixing upgrades. We will definitely be doing a 3.0 on the PSC and there is an excellent chance sidechain access is in there, but it won’t be happing before the summer.

I certainly don’t want you all to think I was poo poo’ing your thoughts - I am in agreement with you about it, and was just trying to offer some work-arounds.

One of the things about Gearlslutz is that I end up in discussions with people of all different levels of knowledge and experience, and sometimes I can’t tell people’s backgrounds. So I end up trying to keep things broad and cover ideas from the simple to the very complex, in the hopes that whatever I write might be useful to people, and at the least improve their thinking about audio engineering.

I love discussions like this!

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 15th March 2021 | Show parent
  #148
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PierreJoseff ➡️
Hi !
The second thing you say is what I'm already doing and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that with the sidechain filter I would have more freedom as to where the compressor is placed.

The first technique I hadn't thought of and it's a good idea, thank you, I'm with Bitwig and I can do that easily.
Hey there -

I agree with you: definitely the PSC would have more versatility with a side chain filter.

Another thought, and this is not to excuse the lack of a side chain filter, but... ore to illustrate a way of thinking about the problem solving involved in audio...

We get really used to our favorite gear. So we get a compressor, and pop that side chain filter in, and dial it the way we want, and there we are, all done onto the next track.

Now, it is those times that we run into something that DOESN’T let us do what we usually do, that is when we discover a new solution to a problem and a new sound, and often a better sound.

I’ll use myself as a guinea pig here. My background is from the late 80’s and early 90’s, and that is where most of my experience lies - my “deep” experience that laid the groundwork for the way I think. I come from a time when you mixed a record and put one lone compressor across the stereo bus and that was that. And you did that because you only had one compressor available to do it. Sometimes I run into this old thinking of mine when I’m working in my hybrid studio environment. I forget that I can throw 20 compressors onto something.

I’ve been using an Elysia Xpressor for a few years. And unlike the bus compressors I grew up with, it has a DRY/WET control - parallel compression is built in. But the idea of parallel on the main bus is something that I’m not used to. It has taken me a while to figure out that the Elysia sort of sucks as a bus compressor UNLESS you take advantage of that DRY/WET control. I’m thinking I didn’t like it because of the piece of gear itself. But now it seems I didn’t like it because I didn’t find the best way to use it for my particular ear. And now that I found that, it is a really useful piece. (it has a side chain filter on it too!)

Another recent discovery that blew my 57 year old mind: I have been using a Compex2 on bass and vocals, and again, been hard to get a sound I like out of it. My paradigm for compressors has been to set the ratio and then fiddle with the threshold. But for the Compex2, it seems to work best if I set the threshold and then fiddle with the ratio instead. This is completely backwards for me, but it works on the Compex2.

I write all this not to excuse the fact that the PSC doesn’t have a sidechain filter. I write this to express how important a limitation and a problem is in catalyzing us to think in new and different ways. So many of the ideas I’ve had about, “Audio is this, we do it this ways...” have been challenged lately. It’s really cool.

An old dog learns new tricks!

I appreciate this opportunity to write and think out loud, and thank you for reading. Please, keep the feature requests, questions, and comments coming! Korneff is here for you guys.

Luke
Korneff Audio
Old 18th March 2021 | Show parent
  #149
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Thank you for making such rich responses!
I totally agree with what you say.
It's a bad habit to want to control everything and have access to everything and modernity is taking us more and more towards that.
It's part of the creative magic of dealing with the arbitrary restrictions of our tools and letting ourselves be surprised

It's great news to know that you're working on new plugins, can't wait to try them !

It's really nice to have a developer who listens


Pierre
Old 19th March 2021 | Show parent
  #150
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Hey there, Pierre,

Thank you for appreciating my rich response! Usually I think I just talk too much!

Do you find that digital tools... are sort of missing that analog tendency to find a problem? Am I making sense in the way I phrase that?

Luke
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