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pastiche27 21st May 2006 10:44 PM

leonard cohen style vocals
 
what would be a good signal chain to record a male vocal who is similar to leonard cohen's deep wisperyness? mic to DAW.

thanx

max cooper 21st May 2006 11:33 PM

I assume you're talking about post-"I'm Your Man" L.C.

I really dig all the phases of his career. I know there are many who "only like his older stuff".

I think there are a bunch of mic/pre combinations. Of course everyone's gonna say 251/1073 type stuff.

What's your budget? Are you gonna rent or buy, or are you booking a studio based on what vocal chain you want?

I think the most important thing to me about recording this kind of vocal is to give the preamp a good amount of gas and don't compress too much. The drama in that kind of vocal performance is about leveraging a small amount of dynamic range to make it sound huge and the range can be sucked right out because it's not like recording Chris Cornell.

I recorded some stuff like that (albeit without Leonard Cohen!) into a Soundelux iFet 7/API 512c and liked the way it turned out. I think I'd prefer a non-tube chain because I wanna hear that dry, fast midrange a bit more.

See if you can try a few different things. But really keep the compression way back, at least at first.

13036 21st May 2006 11:58 PM

I recall an interview in which a Neumann U47 was mentioned as his lead vocal mic.

waxx 22nd May 2006 12:46 AM

i've also seen him sing into a AKG C12 in a tv-item about him recording his last album on BBC i thought. On some foto's of his first recordings my mother has on an old LP, you can also see him singing in some old RCA LDC's.

ketz 22nd May 2006 02:23 AM

I'm pretty sure that he uses Neumann U67 and U87. Preamp is Neve 1272. It was clearly mentioned in one of the articles I bumped across recently. Since I'm kinda fan, it's unmistakenly etched in my cerebral tissue ;)

Actually I dug up a link:

http://mixonline.com/recording/inter...leonard_cohen/

pastiche27 22nd May 2006 05:19 PM

great thank you for the link to the mix article...

the 1272 pre .... and u87 in a project studio situation. This is similar to my situation.

I think I might go with a the Brent Avril 1272 rack and a Neuman TLM 103

this will keep it in my price range of $2000

max cooper 22nd May 2006 05:26 PM

Might want to try that 103 before you buy it. I tried one because of the price and wasn't too excited about it.

pastiche27 23rd May 2006 04:15 PM

can you recomend to me a similar mic for under $1000

max cooper 23rd May 2006 04:33 PM

Hey, there are a couple of mics that I've been trying to get my hands on but I haven't heard them yet. I'm mentioning them because they might be a good place to start.

All I can go on is heresay, but FWIW:

http://www.rotundrascal.com/Custom%20Microphones.htm

http://www.manleylabs.com/containerpages/Cr2001.html

Maybe search around here and ask around. Maybe some guys will chime in here about the Pearlman TM-1 and the Langevin CR-2001

They're gonna be pretty different; for one thing, one's tube and one's solid state. But there are other differences.

YRLK 31st October 2017 08:17 PM

NPNG + Coles 4038 REALLY gets the Cohen low end at close proximity. It will blow your mind. Perhaps, any pre with a similar impedance would do the same trick, but I've only had success with the NPNG. Perfect match.

Obviously, use a strong pop filter (dual layer recommended) at close range when tracking vocals with a ribbon.

Tomdavids 1st November 2017 01:28 AM

the first old rusty chain you find lying around outside, use that one.

and of course the new iphone, then email the audio to yourself and import it into your session. done.