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Ronski 2nd December 2021 09:57 PM

Best softsynth for symphonic orchestra sound?
 
Hi! What softsynth would you recommend for realistic strings, woodwinds and brass etc? I was offered a job to make ”cinematic classical” music for a film and the budget is not big enough to hire real musicians to play.

riffwraith 3rd December 2021 04:04 AM

What softsynth would you recommend for realistic strings, woodwinds and brass etc?

None.

Omnisphere has some semi-realistic string sounds that can work at times.

You need sample libraries if you want strings, woodwinds and brass etc.

Curious - you were hired to compose cinematic classical music for a film, but have nothing in the way of orchestral sample libraries? Isn't that sort of like me getting hired as a chauffeur without owning a car?

Ronski 3rd December 2021 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by riffwraith (Post 15749621)
What softsynth would you recommend for realistic strings, woodwinds and brass etc?

None.

Omnisphere has some semi-realistic string sounds that can work at times.

You need sample libraries if you want strings, woodwinds and brass etc.

Curious - you were hired to compose cinematic classical music for a film, but have nothing in the way of orchestral sample libraries? Isn't that sort of like me getting hired as a chauffeur without owning a car?

Thanks, I’ll check the omnisphere. Is there a sample library you would recommend?

This is first gig for me to do this kind of genre where I probably need orchestral sound. Directors actual words were ”we need music that is acoustic, classical and artsy” so I could probably use a piano and other instruments I have but I want to try something different and owning a good synth/samplepack for strings is not a bad addition to my toolbox.

rkopald 3rd December 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronski (Post 15749739)
Thanks, I’ll check the omnisphere. Is there a sample library you would recommend?

This is first gig for me to do this kind of genre where I probably need orchestral sound. Directors actual words were ”we need music that is acoustic, classical and artsy” so I could probably use a piano and other instruments I have but I want to try something different and owning a good synth/samplepack for strings is not a bad addition to my toolbox.

Vienna Instruments Library
Spitfire Audio
East West Sounds

drBill 5th December 2021 07:46 AM

Kontakt. Then you will need to purchase 3rd party libraries to play back in Kontakt.

Progger 5th December 2021 09:37 PM

I'll second everything that's been said here... as far as a single synthesizer plugin goes, Omnisphere comes closest and honestly has tons of great stuff.

I recently got Spitfire's BBC Symphony Orchestra during BF and I have to say, I love it. It's a phenomenal value for what you get (strings, woodwinds, brass, some percussion, tons of articulations), at least during a sale. Incidentally, it runs in Spitfire's own player, not Kontakt. (Kontakt is still very worth getting, though, especially if you dive deeper into this business... it's the industry standard for playing sample-based virtual instruments.)

gearstudent 13th December 2021 03:37 AM

When you want realistic, you don't want a synthesizer. You want a sample library. Sample libraries record actual musicians with live instruments one note at a time and also (sometimes) as phrases. You play these real audio recordings back in real time using your midi keyboard. Sample libraries have expanded and improved immensely with the increased RAM and storage sizes on computers. Some sample libraries take up hundreds of gigabytes of storage, because they record extensive amounts of dynamics, articulations, mic positions, ensemble sizes, etc. A proper sample library is unquestionably the closest you will get in realism aside from recording your own live orchestra.

Albion One is on sale right now for $269, which is a great price. It is professional quality, and is designed to be easy to use for someone new to orchestral/cinematic writing. I believe it runs in Kontakt Player, which is a free sample library player (I have the full version of Kontakt, so I don't pay much attention to what runs in Kontakt or Kontakt Player. The full version of Kontakt runs all versions of Kontakt libraries).

Confirm that Albion One runs in the free Kontakt Player. If so, that library is worth serious consideration.

To educate yourself, do youtube and google searches with these types of phrases:
"orchestral vst library"
"sample library vst"
"kontakt sample library"
"symphonic sample library vst"
"kontakt symphonic"
"top vst orchestral libraries"
"woodwinds strings brass percussion sample library"
"cinematic vst library"
"epic orchestral kontakt"
"film scoring kontakt"

You will start seeing what this world is. And a great place to get started is Albion One.

Cosmicdolphin 15th December 2021 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronski (Post 15749189)
Hi! What softsynth would you recommend for realistic strings, woodwinds and brass etc? I was offered a job to make ”cinematic classical” music for a film and the budget is not big enough to hire real musicians to play.

You need access to a bunch of high quality sample libraries. Which can be expensive.

To start out it may be a good idea to look at EastWest Composer Cloud which gives you access to all their instruments ( which EW say would cost you $15k to puchase ) for a low monthly subscripion , and that way you only need to pay for it whilst you''re scoring the film and you won't be limited by your budget.

Once you've done the gig you'll probably have a much better idea of what you need and whether it's worth investing in some other libraries or just using Composer Cloud when you need it.

telecode 15th December 2021 04:01 PM

Good question OP.

I think it's also helpful to other users to define how much time are you willing to devote to learning how to use a product or do you just want to load up and start composing away? I have never used Omnisphere, but from what I have seen, it looks like there is a learning curve.

FWIW.. from the little orchestral stuff I have tried.. it seems Spitfire is really good and that's why it costs so much. It does sound better than whats in IKM Miroslav and the NI Komplete collection to me.

Ronski 12th January 2022 05:54 AM

I bought Albion One and Kontakt, I’m very happy, just what I was looking for! I may still have to find a sample library which has individual instruments, Albion might be too massive in occasions when more intimate sound is needed.