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fiddlestickz 5th October 2016 04:55 AM

ABL 3 Versus TB 303 Versus TT bass bot
 
if you are sick to death of 303 discussions lookaway, otherwise this is interesting, the ABL 3 is pretty much a 100% clone of the original imo..



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Analog8 5th October 2016 06:29 AM

Well.....I've preordered my Avalon bassline so I really hope this will be adequate.
If I remember correctly you also have one don't you?
I'd like to know what you think about it kfhkh

fiddlestickz 5th October 2016 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Analog8 (Post 12177138)
Well.....I've preordered my Avalon bassline so I really hope this will be adequate.
If I remember correctly you also have one don't you?
I'd like to know what you think about it kfhkh

sold it and bought some euro modules, sounds great, not as much like a real 303 as i thought, a lot the mystique of the 303 is how tactile that little plastic silver box is, for some reason the Avalon being a heavy piece of gear, the sound was much heavier too I thought...weird i know but hey life is mysterious.

evosilica 5th October 2016 09:36 AM

Is anyone of the tb303 owners in the mood to post some dry recorded patterns of their 303 with no knob tweaking? Different settings - yes, please, but not tweakage during at least one bar, so one could try to match their clones.
Preferably square wave, max. resonance and synced to a clocksource with an integer bpm number.

There's so much controversy around this topic but mostly words and almost zero sound examples, which is odd, isn't it?

All of the comparisons on youtube I've seen are meaningless, because it's either not correctly matched (setting the knobs to the same position doesn't work) or detuned, clipped, constantly tweaked or even a different pattern.

I'd really like to find out how good my clone actually is.

I'm gonna build a re303 soon, but in the meantime ... :)

Jamie munro 5th October 2016 10:08 AM

Nah, it's good and I've got nowt against it as I'm no 303 aficionado or fanboy but its differences becomes very clear from about 2.50 onwards

All minor stuff really and does it matter? Not in the grand scope of things IMO , I love the D16 phosycon and that's enough for me

Funny that these chats still happen, will it ever end? cellfone

Deleted User 5th October 2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by evosilica (Post 12177323)
Is anyone of the tb303 owners in the mood to post some dry recorded patterns of their 303 with no knob tweaking? Different settings - yes, please, but not tweakage during at least one bar, so one could try to match their clones.
Preferably square wave, max. resonance and synced to a clocksource with an integer bpm number.

There's so much controversy around this topic but mostly words and almost zero sound examples, which is odd, isn't it?

All of the comparisons on youtube I've seen are meaningless, because it's either not correctly matched (setting the knobs to the same position doesn't work) or detuned, clipped, constantly tweaked or even a different pattern.

I'd really like to find out how good my clone actually is.

I'm gonna build a re303 soon, but in the meantime ... :)

i'll record some patterns if it helps ^^ any special pattern wishes? In this post are some audio demos of the re303 compared to my tb303, if youare interested https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12138898-post40.html

P.S. Ab3 sounds closer than most of the hardware clones imo

fiddlestickz 5th October 2016 12:01 PM

the secret to the ABL 3 in rack extension form is the back panel, there is some really cool features and controls on the back that take the synth hard into line with the real thing..

evosilica 5th October 2016 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by decoder23 (Post 12177476)
i'll record some patterns if it helps ^^ any special pattern wishes? In this post are some audio demos of the re303 compared to my tb303, if youare interested https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12138898-post40.html

P.S. Ab3 sounds closer than most of the hardware clones imo

That'd be really cool. I've already seen your post and the "TB-303 vs RE-303 saw wave at different settings" demo is exactly what I'm looking for. No FX, different settings, but static over a few bars.
The same thing in square with different resonance and env settings would be great.

As for patterns, I don't really care as long as it contains the whole set of 303 functions - slides, accents, accent after slide.

Thanks for doing this kfhkh

Deleted User 5th October 2016 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by evosilica (Post 12177560)
That'd be really cool. I've already seen your post and the "TB-303 vs RE-303 saw wave at different settings" demo is exactly what I'm looking for. No FX, different settings, but static over a few bars.
The same thing in square with different resonance and env settings would be great.

As for patterns, I don't really care as long as it contains the whole set of 303 functions - slides, accents, accent after slide.

Thanks for doing this kfhkh

ok, I'll record 2 patterns with some different settings in the evening.. no worries, I am having fun playing with my 303, it's no effort :P

GJ999x 5th October 2016 02:02 PM

Worth the upgrade from abl2?

chemosit 5th October 2016 02:39 PM

I've been using ABL 3 for a while. It's a great emulation. Here's a dark ambient example with a little Aleister Crowley thrown in for good measure.



https://soundcloud.com/chemosit/sins-of-the-father

Baron Karza 5th October 2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chemosit (Post 12177690)
I've been using ABL 3 for a while. It's a great emulation. Here's a dark ambient example with a little Aleister Crowley thrown in for good measure.



https://soundcloud.com/chemosit/sins-of-the-father

That's an AWESOME song. It makes me want to check out the Handsonic, as well.

ngarjuna 5th October 2016 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GJ999x (Post 12177623)
Worth the upgrade from abl2?

Absolutely, yes. I was personally pretty satisfied with ABL2 but 3 is an even better emulation. The one thing I miss in 3 (that was available in 2) is the Shuffle which the dev has said could be an added feature along the way.

fiddlestickz 5th October 2016 11:07 PM

awesome tune chemosit..

Dick Martini 5th October 2016 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by evosilica (Post 12177323)
Is anyone of the tb303 owners in the mood to post some dry recorded patterns of their 303 with no knob tweaking?

I made this little comparison video a while back. Includes one of my tb303s compared to a xoxbox, tb3 and tt303.

I've since picked up an Avalon and the TBL3 for Reason, and will create a video with these two as well in the near future.

Personally, I really like the ABL3 emulation. Audiorealism did a great job.


fiddlestickz 5th October 2016 11:40 PM

really keen to hear a note for note, knob for knob comparison between ABL3, TB 303, TB03 if someone can knock that one up that would be highly interesting..

careful attention has to be taken with levels as different levels even if slightly out, can trick the listener into thinking one sounds different from another..

Deleted User 5th October 2016 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by decoder23 (Post 12177568)
ok, I'll record 2 patterns with some different settings in the evening.. no worries, I am having fun playing with my 303, it's no effort :P

tomorrow, didn't find time today..

jbuonacc 6th October 2016 01:45 AM

this one is pretty good too, by the same guy:



can't get much better than that, no?


EDIT: i think he did a better job at matching them in this video than in the one in the OP.

lilita 6th October 2016 03:03 AM

It sounds different, I could tell with the video playing in another tab so I didn't know what was what. The TB-303 definitely sounds better. But the others sound close enough for rock n roll. or acid house. :)

jbuonacc 6th October 2016 03:11 AM

uhh, yeah... how about you actually watch the video and read the description?

jeez.

lilita 6th October 2016 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jbuonacc (Post 12179092)
uhh, yeah... how about you actually watch the video and read the description?

jeez.

I went back to rewind and watch it to confirm what was what, thx, unless I am missing something and the author was like "I SWITCHED THEM LOL".

I thought TB-303 > TT > ABL3 ...ABL sounded good though. ABL reminds me of Rebirth only better.

EDIT: I was commenting on the video OP posted, not the one you posted. It's closer in the second video, not exact but again close enough.

fiddlestickz 6th October 2016 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuonacc (Post 12178967)
this one is pretty good too, by the same guy:



can't get much better than that, no?


EDIT: i think he did a better job at matching them in this video than in the one in the OP.

that one was brilliant, there was almost zero phasing in that test..man software really has caught up now imo...between a few cases of euro and a handful of these choice plug ins like legend and ABL 3 you can make all the sick music you ever dreamed of..

jbuonacc 6th October 2016 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lilita (Post 12179196)
I went back to rewind and watch it to confirm what was what, thx, unless I am missing something and the author was like "I SWITCHED THEM LOL".

I thought TB-303 > TT > ABL3 ...ABL sounded good though. ABL reminds me of Rebirth only better.

ahh, right. in the first video i'd agree. he's got ABL3 pretty dead-on in the video i posted though (taking into account the different modes/settings of ABL which shows its differences). at a few points you can't barely tell when he cross-fades into one track from the other. even i was impressed, and i love ABL.

EDIT: just saw your edit. kfhkh

fiddlestickz 6th October 2016 05:31 AM

in the first video I posted he fks up the levels on the ABL I think, some notes sound really quiet on the ABL for some reason, but when it's filter is open etc it sounds almost spot on..

Deleted User 6th October 2016 08:26 AM

that's what I already wrote in this tb03 or 909 day thread.. I don't get the love for the tb03 at all, since there is a cheaper digital alternative which just sounds way better than this tb03 box.. people enjoy spending 5 times as much for an obviously inferior sounding product, that's not gearslutz, that's brainwashed slutz.

evosilica 6th October 2016 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by decoder23 (Post 12178788)
tomorrow, didn't find time today..

No need to hurry. Do it whenever you have enough time. ;)

El-Burrito 6th October 2016 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by decoder23 (Post 12179409)
that's what I already wrote in this tb03 or 909 day thread.. I don't get the love for the tb03 at all, since there is a cheaper digital alternative which just sounds way better than this tb03 box.. people enjoy spending 5 times as much for an obviously inferior sounding product, that's not gearslutz, that's brainwashed slutz.

Do you now compare plugin to hardware?
HW tend to cost more even if it's just plugin in a box.

Deleted User 6th October 2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by El-Burrito (Post 12179480)
Do you now compare plugin to hardware?
HW tend to cost more even if it's just plugin in a box.

yeah, of course, 200$-250$ would be totally ok, but 400? I like to compare the tb03 with the korg volca bass, what's the price for the little analog bassline synth? do you really think the price is justified?

evosilica 6th October 2016 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El-Burrito (Post 12179480)
Do you now compare plugin to hardware?
HW tend to cost more even if it's just plugin in a box.

On the other hand plugins are probably a lot harder to maintain. Think of all the possible combinations of host software and operating systems, then include the regular updates of both. In order to have satisfied customers and a good reputation, it has to work on all of them.

fiddlestickz 6th October 2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by evosilica (Post 12179516)
On the other hand plugins are probably a lot harder to maintain. Think of all the possible combinations of host software and operating systems, then include the regular updates of both. In order to have satisfied customers and a good reputation, it has to work on all of them.

This why using Reason is so cool, all you purchases are there left with propellerheads, so any time you move or change computers or whatever major changes you have in your life, you can always just log into props and download them all again, even Reason it's self is always available to re download should you need it.. it's like they maintain everything, I just lease the software and use it whenever I want, it's a great way to have your music software I find.