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Why I still prefer Samplitude (or other DAWs) over ProToos. Not a debate!
Old 28th May 2020
  #1
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🎧 5 years
Why I still prefer Samplitude (or other DAWs) over ProTools.

Hi there!
First of all I would like this not to become a war between different DAWs. I'm just trying to make a specific point that corresponds to what I do and maybe someone who does something similar.
I am dedicated exclusively to classical music editing, therefore there are many special features of many DAWs that I don't use. I do not do mixing or mastering (with some exceptions just for me). I work together with a studio who do dedicate themselves to the whole process, they have used ProTools for years. Having said that, what I do is listen (hours of it), copy, paste, trim, cut and, above all, crossfading. When everything is ready, I send everything to the studio and they do the rest.
So going to the main point of this post:
Everyone knows that to obtain a good join between two clips it is necessary to use the crossfade.
Here is an example of how Samplitude (or any other DAW: Reaper, Studio One etc ...) handles crossfades:


https://ibb.co/373r4mf

And here ProTools:


https://ibb.co/p3Mkvbg

So, my point is the following:
Those extra clicks that have to be done in ProTools in a session of many hours where you have to make thousands of cuts, become hours, making everything much more tedious. Furthermore, if one or more clips junctions do not work well when listened to in total (quite normal to happen), in ProTools you have to delete the crossfade, correct the clip cut, rejoin them and crossfade them again. In others DAWs that is quicker.
In my specific case and knowing that my editions will be sent to a studio that works with ProTools, it is important that the DAW can export in OMF or AAF format, in order to make everything compatible. For this reason I use Samplitude and not another also very good DAWs like Reaper or Studio One etc...
As I said before, this does not mean that one DAW is better than another, I simply state what is the best for my needs (and may be others) and I would also like ProTools to handle crossfades differently, or at least in the standard way that other DAWs do. May be one day...
I hope this post is of interest to many.
Cheers!

EDIT: Sorry, gifs are not working properly.
Links under the picture.
Old 1st June 2020
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I also very like that feature of Sequoia/Samplitude.
Especially when dealing with overdubs, comping takes, vocal doubles and other stuff you cut into 100s of pieces!

I never used PT but it can probably handle this too, maybe just a setting somewhere... I don't know...
Old 7th July 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles Flint ➡️
I also very like that feature of Sequoia/Samplitude.
Especially when dealing with overdubs, comping takes, vocal doubles and other stuff you cut into 100s of pieces!

I never used PT but it can probably handle this too, maybe just a setting somewhere... I don't know...
Likely. Pro Tools is industry standard for post due to its Audio Editing prowess, particularly in the Ultimate SKU.

Meanwhile, Samplitude still doesn’t have “Snap to Zero Crossing,” which basically the rest of the market implemented a decade or two ago.

I dropped it due to bad performance, as well. VIP Arranger is laggy AF just scrolling around on my machines. All of them, and this problem is over a decade old. God help you if you use a HiDPI display (1440p, UHD). It can easily become unusable if you have large projects.

Lastly, I hate Samplitude’s track handling. Trying to organize tracks, the DAW literally fights against you. Basically have to template everything to avoid having to deal with this. I’ve never spent so much time making sure tracks didn’t inadvertently get added to folders, even when the folder is collapsed dragging a track under it will add the track to that folder, etc. And the arranger gives no indication of folder nesting (e.g. track indentation). You have to eyeball the Track Manager, which is equally unusable for easy track and folder organization. All of the Managers are bad, frankly (esp the VSTi manager - that thing is straight from 1999).

The non-dockable plugin browser and lack of drag and drop is just icing on the cake. Things that just slow you down for no reason when working in the DAW.

Decent at audio editing, but horrendous workflow and user experience. I had to escape it, to Cubase - esp. when I saw the X5 upgrade price and what they actually did in that upgrade... But, I’m also running Cakewalk because free and it’s developing faster than Samplitude, these days, despite the ridiculous price point.
Old 16th July 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trensharo ➡️
Likely. Pro Tools is industry standard for post due to its Audio Editing prowess, particularly in the Ultimate SKU.

Meanwhile, Samplitude still doesn’t have “Snap to Zero Crossing,” which basically the rest of the market implemented a decade or two ago.

I dropped it due to bad performance, as well. VIP Arranger is laggy AF just scrolling around on my machines. All of them, and this problem is over a decade old. God help you if you use a HiDPI display (1440p, UHD). It can easily become unusable if you have large projects.

Lastly, I hate Samplitude’s track handling. Trying to organize tracks, the DAW literally fights against you. Basically have to template everything to avoid having to deal with this. I’ve never spent so much time making sure tracks didn’t inadvertently get added to folders, even when the folder is collapsed dragging a track under it will add the track to that folder, etc. And the arranger gives no indication of folder nesting (e.g. track indentation). You have to eyeball the Track Manager, which is equally unusable for easy track and folder organization. All of the Managers are bad, frankly (esp the VSTi manager - that thing is straight from 1999).

The non-dockable plugin browser and lack of drag and drop is just icing on the cake. Things that just slow you down for no reason when working in the DAW.

Decent at audio editing, but horrendous workflow and user experience. I had to escape it, to Cubase - esp. when I saw the X5 upgrade price and what they actually did in that upgrade... But, I’m also running Cakewalk because free and it’s developing faster than Samplitude, these days, despite the ridiculous price point.
Hi. I've see you around the Samplitude forum complaining and sharing your bad experience with it. I'm really sorry man, I've been using Samplitude for more that a decade and it always met my expectations. But as I said above, my work is exclusively with classical music where not so many features are required. For me auto-crossfade and AAF export/import are the only "must".
Cheers!
Old 14th September 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trensharo ➡️
Likely. Pro Tools is industry standard for post due to its Audio Editing prowess, particularly in the Ultimate SKU.

Meanwhile, Samplitude still doesn’t have “Snap to Zero Crossing,” which basically the rest of the market implemented a decade or two ago.

I dropped it due to bad performance, as well. VIP Arranger is laggy AF just scrolling around on my machines. All of them, and this problem is over a decade old. God help you if you use a HiDPI display (1440p, UHD). It can easily become unusable if you have large projects.

Lastly, I hate Samplitude’s track handling. Trying to organize tracks, the DAW literally fights against you. Basically have to template everything to avoid having to deal with this. I’ve never spent so much time making sure tracks didn’t inadvertently get added to folders, even when the folder is collapsed dragging a track under it will add the track to that folder, etc. And the arranger gives no indication of folder nesting (e.g. track indentation). You have to eyeball the Track Manager, which is equally unusable for easy track and folder organization. All of the Managers are bad, frankly (esp the VSTi manager - that thing is straight from 1999).

The non-dockable plugin browser and lack of drag and drop is just icing on the cake. Things that just slow you down for no reason when working in the DAW.

Decent at audio editing, but horrendous workflow and user experience. I had to escape it, to Cubase - esp. when I saw the X5 upgrade price and what they actually did in that upgrade... But, I’m also running Cakewalk because free and it’s developing faster than Samplitude, these days, despite the ridiculous price point.
Totally opposite experience. Love sequoia and sampletude I have both. I move flawlessly through the program. Not laggy with my pc
Old 14th September 2020
  #6
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🎧 5 years
Thread opener: Why do you use equal gain crossfades? Isnt it absolutely basic to use equal power crossfades everywhere?
Old 23rd September 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marco_well ➡️
Thread opener: Why do you use equal gain crossfades? Isnt it absolutely basic to use equal power crossfades everywhere?
To be honest, in classical music it doesn't make much difference what types of crossfades are used. The clips are from different takes but the music is the same (we follow a score after all), for that reason I would say that the equal gain crossfade would be better, however the main reason for using crossfades in classical music is only to avoid the joint's clicks, nothing more.
What I am trying to clarify in this thread is how quickly two different DAWs handle the crossfades and due to those extra mouse clicks that must be done in ProTools to achieve the crossfades (and especially to tweak them, if necessary) does not make the work very fast.
But I repeat, I speak only from the point of view of someone who edits classical music.
Old 9th December 2020 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trevon ➡️
Totally opposite experience. Love sequoia and sampletude I have both. I move flawlessly through the program. Not laggy with my pc
The BAD UI performance is confirmed by MAGIX and many other users.

It wasn't fixed in X5. Maybe they'll charge for it in X6. In any case, I've moved off of it to Cubase, now. Don't have that issue, there.

Again, confirmed issue by the developer. Has existed for at least a decade ;-)

If you don't edit many tracks, you may not feel it. But in large projects, the UI bogs down heavily - ESPECIALLY on HiDPI displays. Also induces clicks/distortion and artifacts in the audio (probably due to how this is all done on the CPU - optimization issue).
Old 9th December 2020
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I work with Sequoia for over a decade now, used Cubase, Logic, Reaper, Samplitude etc. before, between or after it (testing) but always went back to Sequoia. All these DAWs are great, but Seq is the only DAW that can do all the things I need/want like I want it to do... and I never had/have problems with it. The opposite for me, very stable and reliable. My computer is fairly old, but everything is rock solid. Never had issues with bigger projects (60+ tracks) nor do I find the UI has a bad performance or bogs down at any time - different strokes for different folks.
Old 17th February 2021
  #10
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Smile

Could I ask please is anyone running Samplitude Pro X5 suite with windows 7?
Would it run reliably?

Pounamu
Old 8th April 2021
  #11
Gear Head
Smile Migration to Reaper Cohler Classical

Hi everyone...
After using Samplitude and Sequoia for years...
I had multiple **** by a normal imultanius multitrack recording session with my Samplitude X5 running on brand new Ryzen 4000 series 4 cores...just my computer was calculating something in Samplitude...no idea what after all of that I had a dll fatal failure crash...no able to do anything...
I run always recording without any fx reverb just playback delay and panel so everything clean and just 24 Tracks.
I could not save the recorded session with a classical orchestra... luckily nobody found anything to complain.
Why...well thanks to Reaper
I had to open on my Backup Program Reaper...arm 24 tracks and push it...no problem CPU running at...3%
I called in germany the Magix tech support who told me that they have some issue and give me an advice not to use Samplitude any more but go on with Reaper because in his opinion it is stable and probably has better code...
After that I did not call anymore Magix...I migrated everything to Reaper I found a great mode on it:
Cohler classical it has a great source destination cuts and a lot of other nice features...ok it is not for free but the pricing is ok and if you do classical editing this program is IMHO better than Sequoia Sam and co...and I have Reaper as well in parallel to do other gigs crossover and midi.
Maybe pyramix is another program which I could be happy with.
In Reaper I love the Router Matrix,tracks setup and the flexibility of the program I whish sam had this kind of features but it did not...and probably will never have it.
But that's my opinion now 10 years ago it was completely different and in some years I will probably change my mind.
Anyway best to stay flexible in our mind as well and try once in while new stuff.
Old 20th April 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Filsaf ➡️
Hi everyone...
After using Samplitude and Sequoia for years...
I had multiple **** by a normal imultanius multitrack recording session with my Samplitude X5 running on brand new Ryzen 4000 series 4 cores...just my computer was calculating something in Samplitude...no idea what after all of that I had a dll fatal failure crash...no able to do anything...
I run always recording without any fx reverb just playback delay and panel so everything clean and just 24 Tracks.
I could not save the recorded session with a classical orchestra... luckily nobody found anything to complain.
Why...well thanks to Reaper
I had to open on my Backup Program Reaper...arm 24 tracks and push it...no problem CPU running at...3%
I called in germany the Magix tech support who told me that they have some issue and give me an advice not to use Samplitude any more but go on with Reaper because in his opinion it is stable and probably has better code...
After that I did not call anymore Magix...I migrated everything to Reaper I found a great mode on it:
Cohler classical it has a great source destination cuts and a lot of other nice features...ok it is not for free but the pricing is ok and if you do classical editing this program is IMHO better than Sequoia Sam and co...and I have Reaper as well in parallel to do other gigs crossover and midi.
Maybe pyramix is another program which I could be happy with.
In Reaper I love the Router Matrix,tracks setup and the flexibility of the program I whish sam had this kind of features but it did not...and probably will never have it.
But that's my opinion now 10 years ago it was completely different and in some years I will probably change my mind.
Anyway best to stay flexible in our mind as well and try once in while new stuff.
Good on you for posting Filsaf Thanks

Pounamu
Old 20th April 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Filsaf ➡️
Maybe pyramix is another program which I could be happy with. In Reaper I love the Router Matrix,tracks setup and the flexibility of the program I whish sam had this kind of features but it did not...and probably will never have it. But that's my opinion now 10 years ago it was completely different and in some years I will probably change my mind.
Anyway best to stay flexible in our mind as well and try once in while new stuff.
Hi
I have Both Samplitude ProX5 and Pyramix. They are my favorite daws.
With a Merging soundcard. perfect match imo. But reaper is one of the greatests too.
Regards.
Old 23rd April 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PascalC ➡️
With a Merging soundcard. perfect match imo. But reaper is one of the greatests too.
Regards.
I think you are totally right, the more the hardware is matching the software, the better it is supposed to work like your setup merging and Pyramix...
Old 1st August 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Filsaf ➡️
Cohler classical it has a great source destination cuts and a lot of other nice features...ok it is not for free but the pricing is ok and if you do classical editing this program is IMHO better than Sequoia Sam and co...and I have Reaper as well in parallel to do other gigs crossover and midi.
I did a few small projects in Reaper and I have to say that it has been very familiar to me. The crossfades are handled in the same way as Samplitude, that for me is a benefit. I would need to learn some basic things to feel more "at home", which shouldn't be too much trouble. I just have to find the will to do it. (main reason why a lot of people stick with a single DAW and don't change).
Anyway, Reaper does not export to OMF / AMF. That is a big negative point for me.
Old 7th August 2021 | Show parent
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I hole-heartedly recommend you try Cohler Classical in Reaper for classical editing, source-destination, 4-point-editing. I have been using it for about a year and love it. Don't ever think again of doing crossfades the way you do them in the original post, everything works automatic, just mark IN and OUT points in the source and the destination. And it costs a fraction of Sequoia or Pyramix. (I am not associated in any way with Cohler Classical other than having paid for a license, and never regretted that!)
Old 21st August 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JGebauer ➡️
I hole-heartedly recommend you try Cohler Classical in Reaper for classical editing, source-destination, 4-point-editing. I have been using it for about a year and love it. Don't ever think again of doing crossfades the way you do them in the original post, everything works automatic, just mark IN and OUT points in the source and the destination. And it costs a fraction of Sequoia or Pyramix. (I am not associated in any way with Cohler Classical other than having paid for a license, and never regretted that!)
Cool! I didn't know the existence of Cohler Classical, it seems very handy. Thanks for the info!! I think Sequoia has a similar feature, but I also didn't try it.
I could eventually use Reaper, it handles crossfades exactly in the same way Samplitude does, so no problem there, but it has no OMF/AAF support and since I work together with people who use Pro Tools, I need AAF to transfer all my work. And no, I'm not going to buy AATranslator because it's too expensive for what it is.
Old 22nd August 2021
  #18
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Vordio. It can do these transfers easily. However, it probably cannot transfer back into the very special Cohler Classical format. From there to PT should work, though.
Old 22nd August 2021 | Show parent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JGebauer ➡️
Vordio. It can do these transfers easily. However, it probably cannot transfer back into the very special Cohler Classical format. From there to PT should work, though.
I know Vordio. It cost almost the same as AATranslator and do less. For what I'm doing know, I'll stick with Samplitude but, if I start a project in Reaper and finish it in Reaper, I will surely get Cohler Classical, it will save hours of work.
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