Quantcast
Different reverbs in the mix - Gearspace.com
The No.1 Website for Pro Audio
Different reverbs in the mix
Old 19th January 2013
  #1
Gear Head
 
K. Matafonov's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Different reverbs in the mix

Hi!
Just interested how do you use reverberation during mixing?
I am usually make two or three auxes with different ambiences - like, room, plate and hall (usually I take large halls from M6K and all short stuff from Lexx 960 via AES) plus long and short delays. It seems to be logical to have no more than three different planes in the mix - close, mid and distant. And for example, close plane can be just dry or short delay/room. That's always work for me. I am always make reverbs near the end of mixing process.

But often I note that pro mixers process different channels/instruments thru different reverbs easily - not take attention to overall picture, they just use MANY different ambiences on different elements.. Just by sense?? Seems to be not so 3D-placed?

sorry for my rus-english )
Old 20th January 2013
  #2
Lives for gear
 
Bishbashbosh's Avatar
 
🎧 15 years
Your English is fine...! (and better than my Russian..!)

I'm actually having fun experimenting with some really different ways of running reverb (and delay) at the moment....

I think it's one of the things a lot of new engineers get very wrong!

Generally I tend to run a main verb for the vocal, and main one for the drums (usually Valhalla Room, although I also occasionally use Sonnox or RenVerb) just on AUX's.

Then I have at least three (usually way more) delays.... A long half note, a dotted quarter note, a slap to the left and a slap to the right.

I also always have at least two delays which are set up for the vocal to do quite prominent echoes of important lines (a la Owl City)...

All of these are automated... Nothing stays as is for the whole song.

I pretty much always de-ess before the reverb on vocals, and I always EQ (usually cutting below about 100Hz and above about 6k).

Recently I've also started using some really dirty delays and verbs (like for instance DVerb through Decapitator. I'm quite enjoying that... Real horrible grungy reverb.... Like the total opposite of what was used in the '80s...!

Or, just today, using DVerb with Filter Freak, so that it had some serious movement in the verb... Lots of fun!!
Old 20th January 2013
  #3
Lives for gear
 
🎧 10 years
I think it depends on what you are using the reverb for. Is it an "effect " or to create realism in a disjointed sounding group of sounds. I just say get crazy with it for a while and turn a lot of dials and surf a lot of presets until your ear gets attuned to whats going on. When you hear a preset you like , look at the settings and make mental note of them. How much early relection, how long of a tail, how much dampening etc does that preset have. Try delays stacked with reverb or vice versa. Try getting your reverb loud on a source and then tame it with eq. Try anything!!! Many happy accident are what developed todays tried and true "go to " standards of recording and mixing.

If you want to hear a master of reverb, listen to Yes 90125 or Big Generator. Trevor Horn is a master at it. He seems to use a lot of mono reverbs and pans them hard left or right in many cases. Those recordings are to me the epitome of a clinic on use of ambience.

Also read Mike Seniors book Mix Secrets for the Small Studio. His section on reverb is worth the price of the book.

To me , when everything else is right it's the ambience of a track that separates the men from the boys.
Old 20th January 2013 | Show parent
  #4
Lives for gear
 
Bishbashbosh's Avatar
 
🎧 15 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by targa2 ➑️
it's the ambience of a track that separates the men from the boys.
Yup!
Old 20th January 2013
  #5
Gear Maniac
 
ModernMixing's Avatar
 
🎧 5 years
Im probably different in the fact that I dont set up and Reverb aux's before I start because I have no idea what reverbs I might use or if it needs any. I'll just start adding reverbs as I see fit, when ever my brain tells me I need something. Sometimes its none and sometimes its 5. different everytime.
Old 22nd January 2013
  #6
Gear Head
 
K. Matafonov's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Thanx!
I am talk about perspective of the mix - overall picture, not as efx. So, I am on my way with two/three planes and their combinations.

Ps: We buy Euphonix cs 3000 from Trevor some time ago )
Old 26th January 2013
  #7
Gear Head
 
K. Matafonov's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Why you move this topic to newbie? I am a pro mixer ) i just want to know different approach to..
Old 27th January 2013
  #8
Gear Addict
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
ill use 3-5 different reverbs per song. i dont buy into the "everything recorded in the same room" approach that some engineers swear by.
Old 27th January 2013 | Show parent
  #9
Lives for snowflakes
 
12ax7's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruenburger ➑️

ill use 3-5 different reverbs per song. i dont buy into the "everything recorded in the same room" approach that some engineers swear by.
Funny - I usually do the same thing, but with an eye toward sorta creating the illusion of everything happening in the same space.

I kinda try to make each reverb create an imaginary "area" of the same imaginary "room".

Sometimes the reverb for one "area" will partially feed other reverbs (sometimes not).

...And any delay running on an instrument from one imaginary "area" will usually be fed to one (or more) of the reverbs for other "areas" (but NOT to its own).

Anybody else do anything like this?
.
Old 28th January 2013 | Show parent
  #10
Gear Head
 
Boneman's Avatar
 
🎧 5 years
Exactly. Reverb can be it's own instrument.
Old 28th January 2013 | Show parent
  #11
Gear Addict
 
gruenburger's Avatar
 
🎧 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boneman ➑️
Exactly. Reverb can be it's own instrument.
Exactly.

Plate reverb long predelay on Snare
Room ambience on drum buss
Plate reverb on most vocals
Hall on singing
Spring on guitars


This would all be on one song.
πŸ“ Reply

Similar Threads

Thread / Thread Starter Replies / Views Last Post
replies: 975 views: 262508
Avatar for sparqee
sparqee 30th June 2015
replies: 141 views: 39159
Avatar for dream
dream 15th December 2010
replies: 2200 views: 398237
Avatar for AleLab
AleLab 28th November 2019
replies: 61 views: 42791
Avatar for Motor For Music
Motor For Music 2nd May 2015
Post Reply

Welcome to the Gearspace Pro Audio Community!

Registration benefits include:
  • The ability to reply to and create new discussions
  • Access to members-only giveaways & competitions
  • Interact with VIP industry experts in our guest Q&As
  • Access to members-only sub forum discussions
  • Access to members-only Chat Room
  • Get INSTANT ACCESS to the world's best private pro audio Classifieds for only USD $20/year
  • Promote your eBay auctions and Reverb.com listings for free
  • Remove this message!
You need an account to post a reply. Create a username and password below and an account will be created and your post entered.


 
 
Slide to join now Processing…

Forum Jump
Forum Jump